From jmpfund@bgnet.bgsu.edu Sun Feb 18 12:42:36 2001 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with ESMTP id MAA160542 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 12:42:35 -0800 Received: from sp07.notesnet.bgsu.edu (sp07.notesnet.bgsu.edu [129.1.7.7]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id MAA03387 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 12:42:34 -0800 Received: from [129.1.190.184] ([129.1.190.103]) by sp07.notesnet.bgsu.edu (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.2b) with ESMTP id 2001021815403240:1365 ; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 15:40:32 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jmpfund@popj.bgsu.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A8FFADF.135A8072@home.com> References: <5.0.0.25.2.20010217174240.03ca1b80@pop.bol.ucla.edu> <3A8FF7CE.6542A430@temple.edu> <3A8FFADF.135A8072@home.com> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 15:42:52 -0400 To: classics@u.washington.edu From: James Pfundstein Subject: Re: "bad" grammar X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on MAIL03/SERVER/BGSU(Release 5.0.2b |December 16, 1999) at 02/18/2001 03:40:33 PM, Serialize by Router on MAIL03/SERVER/BGSU(Release 5.0.2b |December 16, 1999) at 02/18/2001 03:40:37 PM, Serialize complete at 02/18/2001 03:40:37 PM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 10:39 AM -0600 2/18/01, Jeffrey B. Gibson wrote: >Speaking of "bad grammar", isn't the assertion, noted by Dan >Tompkins, and made by Amy Halloran, that she " > >> feel[s] very badly it's all gone so awry" > >a prime example of this? I have been taught to view the expression >"to feel badly" as the equivalent of the assertion of possessing the >less than requisite skills for engaging in laying one's hands upon >something. Or am I mistaken in thinking that the distinction between >"I feel bad" = I am full of remorse/regret, etc. and "I feel badly" >no longer holds? I hope I'm not flicking Jeffrey Gibson on the raw, but I'm not sure that I can buy this distinction (or prescription, "not that there's anything wrong with that"). I checked with The Big Blue Ox and it said that _feel_ in this sense can be used with an adjective or an adverb. There is at least one example (mid-19th C.; under _waxen_) of "feel badly" in exactly the sense Halloran used. On the other hand, the OED marks _feel bad_ as "colloquial, originally U.S." which makes me feel bad, somehow. In passing, and pace Dan Tompkins and others, I still think that Halloran (and to a lesser extent Leo-- may this be the last time I ever have occasion to defend that eminent scholar of victimology) busted Kamuf quite properly. If academics will use words like "violence" improperly to get a frisson from their academic audiences, they will have to put up with the occasional frisson-storm that follows. JMP("Praescriptor") .