From willett@suac.ac.jp Sat May 31 02:57:13 2003 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.132]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW03.04/8.12.1+UW03.02) with ESMTP id h4V9vC1M015090 for ; Sat, 31 May 2003 02:57:13 -0700 Received: from somail.suac.ac.jp (somail.suac.ac.jp [202.223.132.34]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW03.04/8.12.1+UW03.02) with ESMTP id h4V9v8Op022129 for ; Sat, 31 May 2003 02:57:10 -0700 Received: from sfw ([202.223.132.33]) by somail.suac.ac.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W) with SMTP id SAA21287 for ; Sat, 31 May 2003 18:57:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from c0604 ([172.16.65.182]) by simail2.ist.suac.ac.jp (Mirapoint) with ESMTP id AKN41621 (AUTH k0194002); Sat, 31 May 2003 18:56:59 +0900 (JST) From: "Steven J. Willett" To: classics@u.washington.edu Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 18:13:39 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Anthologia Graeca X,45 Message-ID: <3ED8F0D3.9394.A56E36E@localhost> X-pmrqc: 1 In-reply-to: <52FAB9A7-9344-11D7-AB8B-000A95781EA4@pandora.be> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable Content-description: Mail message body On 31 May 2003 at 10:46, Ren=E9 Forrez wrote: > could anyone on the list help me with the following sentence in > Palladas' poem in A.G. X,45: > > > > Athenianto=CBto m=A2n o=CFtvw e=89p' =EAn tiw= kosm=ABn > pl=E3smati semnot=B0r=83. > > > (touto ... semnoterooi) Palladas sets up a cynical contrast between the idealizing Platonism of the addressee, who loftily (if naively) believes he's "immortal" and a "heavenly plant," and the physical reality that he's made of dust. "Why think proudly?" (Ti phroneis mega;), Palladas asks: "One might of course say this sort of thing, embroidering [the sexual facts] with magniloquent fiction. But if you seek the true explanation, you spring from unbridled lust and a filthy drop." The sentence you're asking about literally reads, "Thus one might say this sort of thing, ornamenting [the facts] with a magniloquent forgery." Palladas achieves a pithy compression by omitting any direct object to "kosmwn," but directly expresses its semantic gist in the final prepositional phrase: unbridled lust and a filthy drop. The strong enjambment on "ex akolastou/ lagneias, ... " foregrounds--as theorists like to say--"lagneia." Among several others in the same vein are Ghs epebhn gumnos, gumnos 8' 'upo gaian apeimi, kai ti mathn mokh8w, gumnon 'orwn to telos? Skhnh pas 'o bios kai paignion; h ma8e paizdein thn spoudhn meta8eis, h phere tas odunas. Polla laleis, an8rwpe, khamai de ti8hi meta mikron; siga, kai meleta zdwn eti ton 8anaton. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Steven J. Willett Shizuoka University of Art and Culture 1794-1 Noguchi-cho, Hamamatsu City Japan 430-8533 Tel/Autofax: (53) 457-6142 Japan email: willett@suac.ac.jp US email: willettstevenj@qwest.net .