From TWMKLADD@aol.com Thu Jun 13 11:48:54 2002 Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.01) with SMTP id g5DImrw3061958 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:48:53 -0700 Received: FROM mxu2.u.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Jun 13 11:48:52 2002 -0700 Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.104]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.01) with ESMTP id g5DImqhR011083 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:48:52 -0700 Received: from TWMKLADD@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id d.7d.28a70142 (25511) for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:48:28 -0400 (EDT) From: TWMKLADD@aol.com Message-ID: <7d.28a70142.2a3a42fc@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:48:28 EDT Subject: Potty Talk Re: A Turn for the Verse (was: Fall of Troy) To: classics@u.washington.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_7d.28a70142.2a3a42fc_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10513 --part1_7d.28a70142.2a3a42fc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sure, that's lovely stuff. The only trouble is that it sounds funny and Catullus sounds shocking and not at all metaphorical, as T. P. (I am not touching that one) Wiseman discusses Catullus' style in general. And why "up yours" twice? Catullus is very specific in that he uses two different verbs, end to end, so to speak. And can we say the word "fag" and not have it catch in our throats? It sounds sort of like KKK verbiage. Catullus would have made a good Klansmen -- he wished to see his words take on a reality if given the opportunity. This is a far cry from telling somebody to shove it, as we often do today, not really thinking there is much connection between our words and what actually will take place in the world. Catullus wants to be literally prophetic. Sort of twisted. So much for the ennobling result of writing verse! twL --part1_7d.28a70142.2a3a42fc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sure, that's lovely stuff. The only trouble is that it sounds funny and Catullus sounds shocking and not at all metaphorical, as T. P. (I am not touching that one) Wiseman discusses Catullus' style in general. And why "up yours" twice? Catullus is very specific in that he uses two different verbs, end to end, so to speak. And can we say the word "fag" and not have it catch in our throats?  It sounds sort of like KKK verbiage.  Catullus would have made a good Klansmen -- he wished to see his words take on a reality if given the opportunity. This is a far cry from telling somebody to shove it, as we often do today, not really thinking there is much connection between our words and what actually will take place in the world. Catullus wants to be literally prophetic. Sort of twisted. So much for the ennobling result of writing verse!

twL
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