From akriman@darwin.helios.nd.edu Thu Aug 16 13:45:31 2001 Received: from mxu101.u.washington.edu (mxu101.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.2+UW01.01/8.11.2+UW01.04) with ESMTP id f7GKjU0124304 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:45:30 -0700 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by mxu101.u.washington.edu (8.11.2+UW01.01/8.11.2+UW01.04) with SMTP id f7GKjUu31366 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:45:30 -0700 Received: FROM mailspool.helios.nd.edu BY mxu1.u.washington.edu ; Thu Aug 16 13:45:29 2001 -0700 Received: from darwin.helios.nd.edu (darwin.helios.nd.edu [129.74.250.114]) by mailspool.helios.nd.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA29714 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:45:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from akriman@localhost) by darwin.helios.nd.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1/ND-cluster) id f7GKjOj23612 for classics@u.washington.edu; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:45:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:45:24 -0500 (EST) From: Alfred M Kriman Message-Id: <200108162045.f7GKjOj23612@darwin.helios.nd.edu> To: classics@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Talking About the Trogs/Bushmen and other critters Richard Ratzan wrote > apropos Bushmen and tricks to catch animals, i too saw > a special on bushmen a while back and they have an > ingenious way to use baboons (i think it was) to find > water: they put salt into a tree with a small hole, > wait until the baboon puts its fist into the hole and > then walk up to catch it/rope it, since the baboon > will not release the fistful of salt, remaining stuck. > then they use the roped animal to lead them to the > water! This general technique seems to be widespread. I always heard that this was the way monkeys were captured (for food) in Amazonia. Looking on the web now, however, I find limited mention of it; the main source of stories is India, where a half-coconut is used. Also, Lev Tolstoy used it as a metaphor in _War and Peace_ to describe the French army leaving Moscow. I suspect the technique is not used with baboons or other apes because (1) they're not as stupid, and (2) an angry ape on a rope is trouble like the similar metaphor involving a tiger by the tail: you daren't let go. (Don't let the scrawny-looking limbs fool you; a chimp can exert greater force with its bare hands than a man can, and won't neglect to bite.) AMK .