From lockyert@mweb.co.za Sun Aug 27 06:35:33 2000 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id GAA118762 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 06:35:31 -0700 Received: from jhb-imta.mweb.co.za (jhb-imta.mweb.co.za [196.2.48.244]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id GAA21806 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 06:35:28 -0700 Received: from default ([196.30.236.49]) by jhb-imta.mweb.co.za (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.03.23.18.03.p10) with SMTP id <0FZY00K43DQT01@jhb-imta.mweb.co.za> for classics@u.washington.edu; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 15:35:18 +0200 (GMT-2) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 15:32:54 +0200 From: Terrence Lockyer Subject: Re: Mercenary & Troy (was (long ago): East and West) To: Classics List Reply-to: Terrence Lockyer Message-id: <002f01c0102b$66cfb3a0$9fea1ec4@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Priority: 3 Further evidence on the relationship between Agamemnon and the other leaders at Troy: Proklos' summary of the Kypria reports the following (in the Loeb translation of H G Evelyn-White, Hesiod, Homeric Hymns, Epic Cycle, Homerica [revised edition 1936] pp. 490-93): O( DE\ PARAGENO/MENOJ PERI\ TH~J E)P' I)/LION STRATEI/AJ BOULEU/ETAI META\ TOU~ A)DELFOU~, KAI\ PRO\J NE/STORA PARAGI/NETAI MENE/LAOJ. ... E)/PEITA TOU\J H(GEMO/NAJ A)QROI/ZOUSIN E)PELQO/NTEJ TH\N E(LLA/DA. "Menelaos returns and plans an expedition against Ilium with his brother, and then goes on to Nestor. ... Then they travel over Hellas and gather the leaders, ..." [Apologies for errors in transliteration. I have used J for terminal sigma. The bits I have excised refer respectively to a digression in which Nestor related several myths and to the exposure of Odysseus' madness as false.] Timothy Gantz, Early Greek Myth 2 (Baltimore & London 1993) p. 576 (I don't know where this is in the one-volume edition) basically relates this account. On p. 580, he writes: "Odysseus' attempt to avoid service by feigning madness may be hinted at in the Odyssey, for Agamemnon in the Underworld states that he and Menelaos persuaded their comrade with some difficulty (Od 24.115-19). More likely, though, mention of persuasion means that they had no real claim on his services, and had to talk him into fighting at Troy." A brief look at Gantz turned up no explicit discussion of Agamemnon's position. If he does not discuss this, it may well be for want of sources. Terrence Lockyer Johannesburg, South Africa .