From elizvand@hotmail.com Sun Feb 2 08:05:56 2003 Received: from mxu5.u.washington.edu (mxu5.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.164]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.12) with ESMTP id h12G5uCK068092 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 08:05:56 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f125.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.125]) by mxu5.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.12) with ESMTP id h12G5tZ7011559 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 08:05:55 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 08:04:34 -0800 Received: from 141.225.225.235 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 02 Feb 2003 16:04:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [141.225.225.235] From: "Elizabeth Vandiver" To: classics@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Arnold and Sophocles Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 10:04:34 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2003 16:04:34.0789 (UTC) FILETIME=[C7733950:01C2CAD4] X-Uwash-Spam: Gauge=X, Probability=10%, Report="SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, __EVITE_CTYPE, __RCVD_BY_HOTMAIL" >"Sophocles long ago heard it on the Aegean..." Do we know what lines [if >any] Arnold was specifically referring to? EJM I have a vague memory, from my college days, of reading a footnote saying that no-one had ever figured out any specific reference for this; that Arnold was, rather, referring to his own sense of Sophocles' over-all perception of the "turbid ebb and flow of human suffering." I'm sorry that I can't be more specific than that; but since "Dover Beach" is one of my all-time favorite poems, I also can't resist answering! I used to confuse myself dreadfully, as a teen-ager, by pacing along the seashore, *in Florida*, and reciting "we find also in the sound a thought, hearing it on this distant Northern sea." Elizabeth Vandiver _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus .