From jod@ccat.sas.upenn.edu Sun Jul 8 14:29:43 2001 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.2+UW01.01/8.11.2+UW01.04) with ESMTP id f68LTf012096 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 14:29:42 -0700 Received: from ccat.sas.upenn.edu (CCAT.SAS.UPENN.EDU [128.91.200.226]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.11.2+UW01.01/8.11.2+UW01.04) with ESMTP id f68LTfX31696 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 14:29:41 -0700 Received: (from jod@localhost) by ccat.sas.upenn.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) id f68LStQ24464 for classics@u.washington.edu; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 17:28:55 -0400 (EDT) From: jod@ccat.sas.upenn.edu (James J. O'Donnell) Message-Id: <200107082128.f68LStQ24464@ccat.sas.upenn.edu> Subject: Re: Christians Eaten by Lions To: classics@u.washington.edu Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 17:28:55 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010708171518.03617150@idirect.com> from "David Meadows" at Jul 8, 2001 05:23:40 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit have a look at the Passio Perpetuae et Felicitatis, sec. 18-21, the end: wild beasts but no lions, but definitely Christians. Jim O'Donnell Classics, U. of Penn jod@ccat.sas.upenn.edu David Meadows wrote: > > At 02:42 PM 08/07/2001 -0400, you wrote: > >A little help please. Last night at a dinner party I bobbled the "Christians > >eaten by lions in the Colosseum" discussion. Truth? Fact? Timing? Setting? > >Can someone please provide me with a canned answer to this and then Al can > >put it in his Big Book. I am sure I will have more requests like this in the > >near future. > > > FWIW, I've been trying to figure this one out myself; there are quite a few > sites on the web, e.g., which claim the popular belief has no historical > evidence to back it up (or rather, they were done in at the Circus > Maximus), e.g.: > > http://www.kent.wednet.edu/curriculum/soc_studies/rome/Colosseum.html > http://www.garethpatterson.com/Colosseum/colosseum.htm > http://www.epinions.com/content_20970376836 > http://www.baptiststandard.com/2000/5_29/pages/cyber.html > http://dest.travelocity.com/DestGuides/0,1840,TRAVELOCITY%7C2161%7C3%7C1%7C229336%7Cattraction_id%7C26895,00.html > http://www.williston.k12.nd.us/larsen/Unit7%20Religion/Rel43.htm > http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/9923/italy.htm > > So perhaps a rewriting of Dr. J's question might be "When did the popular > belief about Christians and lions and the Colosseum start?" > > dm > .