From pericles@temple.edu Sun Sep 9 03:40:36 2001 Received: from mxu101.u.washington.edu (mxu101.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.2+UW01.01/8.11.2+UW01.04) with ESMTP id f89AeY019310 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 03:40:34 -0700 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by mxu101.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.08) with SMTP id f89AeY732334 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 03:40:34 -0700 Received: FROM femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com BY mxu1.u.washington.edu ; Sun Sep 09 03:40:33 2001 -0700 Received: from temple.edu ([24.37.50.60]) by femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010909104032.IJRE598.femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com@temple.edu> for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 03:40:32 -0700 Message-ID: <3B9B475C.6C81BC41@temple.edu> Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 06:41:31 -0400 From: Dan Tompkins Reply-To: pericles@temple.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: classics@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: GRE verbal scores References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010909054923.03d31620@idirect.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is not a matter of offending anyone but of maintaining our own standards and "rigor." Where is the rigor in saying a bunch of people have high scores, without attempting to show whether their studies in classics really produced these? Come on, guys. This is a discussion about methodology,not about marketing or cowardice in selling our field. let's represent each other with more care. Dan David Meadows wrote: > > At 04:06 PM 08/09/2001 -0600, CK wrote: > >2. The leadership of Classics in North America behaves like the leadership > >of Christian churches in Communist countries. You stay on top by > >discouraging too much growth or too much enthusiasm. > > Bingo has been called ... please do not disturb your cards!!!!!!! > > Then DT replied inter alia: > > "My main aim is this: we should make argumetns > that others will take seriously, not ones that get us dismissed." > > After close to a decade on this list I think I've finally figured it out. > Things like GRE scores aren't made into a big deal because we don't want to > offend the other faculties at meetings! On numerous occasions in the > distant past I've mentioned that Classics needs a marketing arm; now it > appears what is really needed is for the 'leadership' to take a few basic > marketing courses. There was a time when Tums was promoted as an antacid ... > > dm -- Daniel P. Tompkins Director, Intellectual Heritage Program Temple University 214 Anderson Hall, 1114 West Berks Street Philadelphia, PA 19122-6090 215/204 4900; 215/204-2359 (fax) pericles@temple.edu Check our website: http://courses.temple.edu/ih .