From jmpfund@bgnet.bgsu.edu Sun Jan 13 10:40:58 2002 Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id g0DIevn141570 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:40:57 -0800 Received: FROM mxu4.u.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Sun Jan 13 10:40:56 2002 -0800 Received: from GOLIATH.DACOR.COM (ns1.dacor.net [63.174.195.2]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id g0DIetVK014452 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:40:56 -0800 Received: from [63.171.164.111] (max2-111.dacor.net [63.171.164.111]) by GOLIATH.DACOR.COM with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id CXZX5PAB; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 13:40:49 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jmpfund@mailstore.bgsu.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3C416AFD.7614.142373@localhost> References: <001501c19c2c$05f01a00$7438ef9b@al40> <3C416AFD.7614.142373@localhost> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 13:42:35 -0500 To: classics@u.washington.edu From: "James M. Pfundstein" Subject: Re: Query from the Latin List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1201175135==_ma============" --============_-1201175135==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 11:09 AM -0500 1/13/02, dmdc@rogers.com wrote: >David Meadows is correct, this quote is often bandied about by >homeschoolers (being a home educator myself, I know) and is >often attributed to Cicero, as quoated by Montaigne. But In >Montaigne's essay "Of the Education of Children", he quotes it, and >attributes it to Erasmus: > > For those who want to learn, the obstacle can often be > the authority of those who teach. > --Erasmus, Apophthegmata, III >I don't have Apophthegmata around to look it up and verify, >but perhaps someone else on the list does? Could it be that >[Erasmus] quoted [Cicero} in one of his works as well? >Desideria Desjardins With this hint I was able to dig it up in a trice. (Well, a trice and a half-- my copy of Montaigne was pretty deeply buried). The Montaigne is _Essais_ Liv. I, Ch. 26. The Cicero is _De Natura deorum_ 1.5.10. obest plerumque iis, qui discere volunt, auctoritas eorum, qui se docere profitentur. "The authority of those who profess to teach commonly gets in the way of those who wish to learn." Erasmus doesn't seem to come into it. Maybe some editor speculated on his _Apothegmata_ as an intermediate source. JM("Montanus")P --============_-1201175135==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Query from the Latin List
At 11:09 AM -0500 1/13/02, dmdc@rogers.com wrote:
David Meadows is correct, this quote is often bandied about by
homeschoolers (being a home educator myself, I know) and is
often attributed to Cicero, as quoated by Montaigne. But In
Montaigne's essay "Of the Education of Children", he quotes it, and
attributes it to Erasmus:

    For those who want to learn, the obstacle can often be
    the authority of those who teach.
    --Erasmus, Apophthegmata, III
I don't have Apophthegmata around to look it up and verify,
but perhaps someone else on the list does? Could it be that
[Erasmus] quoted [Cicero} in one of his works as well?
Desideria Desjardins

With this hint I was able to dig it up in a trice. (Well, a trice and a half-- my copy of Montaigne was pretty deeply buried).

The Montaigne is _Essais_ Liv. I, Ch. 26. The Cicero is _De Natura deorum_ 1.5.10.

obest plerumque iis, qui discere volunt, auctoritas eorum, qui se docere profitentur.
       
"The authority of those who profess to teach commonly gets in the way of those who wish to learn."

Erasmus doesn't seem to come into it. Maybe some editor speculated on his _Apothegmata_ as an intermediate source.

JM("Montanus")P
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