From AllenAmet@aol.com Sun Nov 4 06:44:14 2001 Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fA4EiDn129472 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 06:44:13 -0800 Received: FROM mxu2.u.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Sun Nov 04 06:44:13 2001 -0800 Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fA4EiC413787 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 06:44:13 -0800 Received: from AllenAmet@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id d.47.13627598 (4571) for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 09:42:59 -0500 (EST) From: AllenAmet@aol.com Message-ID: <47.13627598.2916adf2@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 09:42:58 EST Subject: Re: How was Chryseis captured? To: classics@u.washington.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_47.13627598.2916adf2_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 --part1_47.13627598.2916adf2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/4/2001 4:43:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, lockyert@mweb.co.za writes: > > [ Iliad 2.689-93 ] implies only that Thebe and Lyrnessos were > sacked at about the same time. > ********* true enough - do we know why the two cities were linked in this way - how far apart geographically? Or is it just to remind us of the "equivalence" of the two women? Or is there also an intended "echo" of the usual way in which women were taken (by force) - unlike Helen, who was taken by stealth? Chryseis from her (living) father - Briseis from her (slain) husband... Agamemnon's first rash statement of I, 184ff: "but I shall take the fair-cheeked Briseis, your prize, I myself going to your shelter,..." quickly becomes less than heroic (I, 323): "And if he will not give her, I must come in person to take her with many men behind me,..." Allen Koenigsberg BC --part1_47.13627598.2916adf2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/4/2001 4:43:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, lockyert@mweb.co.za writes:


[ Iliad 2.689-93 ] implies only that Thebe and Lyrnessos were
sacked at about the same time.

*********
true enough - do we know why the two cities were linked in this way - how far apart geographically? Or is it just to remind us of the "equivalence" of the two women?

 Or is there also an intended "echo" of the usual way in which women were taken (by force) - unlike Helen, who was taken by stealth? Chryseis from her (living) father - Briseis from her (slain) husband...

 Agamemnon's first rash statement of I, 184ff:
"but I shall take the fair-cheeked Briseis,
your prize, I myself going to your shelter,..."

quickly becomes less than heroic (I, 323):

 "And if he
will not give her, I must come in person to take her
with many men behind me,..."

Allen Koenigsberg
BC
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