From vosse@wsu.edu Fri Sep 18 16:03:14 1998 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id QAA35700 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 16:03:14 -0700 Received: from cheetah.it.wsu.edu (root@cheetah.it.wsu.edu [134.121.1.8]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id QAA15366 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 16:03:13 -0700 Received: from reentry.wsu.edu (reentry.french.wsu.edu [134.121.29.4]) by cheetah.it.wsu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA19708 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 16:03:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980918231008.0094eeb8@mail.wsu.edu> X-Sender: vosse@mail.wsu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 16:10:08 -0700 To: residency@u.washington.edu From: Elaine Voss Subject: RE: Student from Palau I did, and it has certainly stirred the pot hasn't it?! The student in question is coming in on Monday to talk to me so I can ask some specific questions. My original question had to do with her financial dependency. Mom lives and works in Palau so does not file a tax return. The student is claiming financial independence but shows small income on W-2 but no tax return, federal grants, and a scholarship from The National Treasury of Palau. My issue was using the scholarship from Palau in determining her financial independence. If they do not have opportunties for higher ed, do they give scholarships so their young people will choose to attend somewhere. And is this a problem for us? At 02:42 PM 9/18/98 -0700, you wrote: >***You definitely zinged me on that one, Tika. I recall having such a >student whose parents were in the bush of Tanzania and were barely in >contact with their son after he'd been over here a couple years, and yet >the son was somewhat dependent on relatives living in this state. It was, >as I recall, marginal enough that I could call him independent. He had to >have had the green card, too. > Who the heck raised this tough question in the first place? > >Joe > >On Fri, 18 Sep 1998, Tika Esler wrote: > >> If the students who come from third world countries who may not actually >> receive support from their parent because of their inability to do so may be >> granted residency, why wouldn't students who come from another state whose >> parents are poor as well? I don't see this as based on a person's ability >> to be able to support the student, financial ability, or lack thereof, >> hasn't been a factor in our decisions. >> >> I am trying to understand that if I go ahead and make special allowances for >> students who may come from a poor country and are not being supported by >> their parents who live in a foreign country, why wouldn't I do the same for >> a student from a poor city in another state who is not being supported by >> her parents from out-of-state? >> >> Where am I missing something? >> Tika A. Esler >> Associate Dean of Enrollment Services >> Bellevue Community College, Bellevue, WA >> tesler@bcc.ctc.edu >> (425) 641-2206 >> >> > ---------- >> > From: Joseph M. St.Hilaire[SMTP:saint@admsec.wwu.edu] >> > Reply To: residency@u.washington.edu >> > Sent: Friday, September 18, 1998 10:52 AM >> > To: Discussion of Residency Issues State Wide >> > Subject: RE: Student from Palau >> > >> > ***I agree with you, Tika, in your arguments for being consistent. I know >> > there are cases, however, especially where a student comes from >> > third-world countries, where the parents have meager existences and >> > through some great fortune of having a relative in the US have been able >> > to send their child off for a college education. Typically, the child is >> > living with and being supported by the relative. So in that respect, this >> > student can be regarded differently than one who comes from Oregon or >> > Tennessee to live with an aunt and uncle. I suppose it would be unusual >> > for that student to have a green card, but if he/she does, I could >> > honestly say that he/she is not being supported by non-res parents. >> > >> > Joe St.Hilaire >> > Western >> > >> > On Fri, 18 Sep 1998, Tika Esler wrote: >> > >> > > I have a few more thoughts on Virjean's thoughts :-) >> > > >> > > I am very much of the understanding that the law's intent is to have us >> > > first determine if the student is dependent or independent. The >> > residency >> > > is then determine for the student or the "parent". Further, the student >> > may >> > > only be a dependent of a parent or a legal guardian. >> > > >> > > This has been applied uniformly by Bellevue to mean if a student is not >> > > "independent", in other words if they are relying on someone else to >> > support >> > > them and are unable to prove they are independent, then they are >> > dependents, >> > > and we have asked them to provide parents' or legal guardian proof of >> > > residence. The state-wide form leads the student down this road, and I >> > > don't see a way around it. >> > > >> > > Thus, in this case from Palau, an apparently dependent student is being >> > > supported by parents that are in another country, they are deemed as >> > > non-resident. >> > > >> > > We also have students who attend that have come to the U.S. to complete >> > high >> > > school from other countries and apply for admission. If the student is >> > > under 18 and a relative is actually supporting them, we strongly suggest >> > > that they ask their relative apply for legal guardianship before they >> > become >> > > an adult. In one case, we've had an adult (over-18 year old student) >> > have >> > > their relative gain legal guardianship so that we determined their legal >> > > guardian as a resident and granted the student residency. >> > > >> > > I believe that if we don't allow a "dependent" student to gain residency >> > > when a parent is in another state, that we should not allow it for a >> > student >> > > from another country who's parents support him/her when the parents >> > aren't >> > > living in this state either. I want to be flexible, but on this one we >> > have >> > > to apply the law consistently, and I would bet that around the state we >> > > consistently would deny a dependent student that has out-of-state >> > parents. >> > > Why would an out-of-country be different? >> > > >> > > Other thoughts?? We REALLY should come together here, students often >> > play >> > > us agaisnt one another on issues, and this one seems like a big one to >> > me. >> > > >> > > Tika A. Esler >> > > Associate Dean of Enrollment Services >> > > Bellevue Community College, Bellevue, WA >> > > tesler@bcc.ctc.edu >> > > (425) 641-2206 >> > > >> > > > ---------- >> > > > From: Virjean Edwards[SMTP:vedwards@u.washington.edu] >> > > > Reply To: residency@u.washington.edu >> > > > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 1998 8:35 AM >> > > > To: Discussion of Residency Issues State Wide >> > > > Subject: Re: Student from Palau >> > > > >> > > > I have a different read on this than Tika. If the student is a US >> > > > citizen and her parents do not live in the USA, she has the right to >> > > > residency within a state regardless of her income source. If she has >> > > > lived here for a minimum of 12 months,etc., I would give her >> > residency. >> > > > >> > > > We see a lot of students whose parents live in a foreign country, but >> > they >> > > > have been sent here for high school and college. These students are >> > > > either perm res or citizens and they have never lived in another >> > state. >> > > > It does not seem right to deny them residency. >> > > > >> > > > Any other thoughts on this would be appreciated! >> > > > >> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> > > > Virjean H. Edwards University of Washington >> > > > Assistant Registrar Office of the Registrar >> > > > Residency Officer 264 Schmitz Hall, Box 355850 >> > > > (206)543-3290 Seattle WA 98195-5850 >> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> > > > >> > > > On Wed, 16 Sep 1998, Elaine Voss wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > I have an 18 year old student who claims US citizenship, but her >> > parent >> > > > is a >> > > > > citizen of Palau and therefore does not file a US tax return. The >> > > > student >> > > > > receives Pell, Perkins, and SEOG grants and also has a scholarship >> > from >> > > > The >> > > > > National Treasury of Palau. >> > > > > >> > > > > Page 21 of the Residency Handbook states that "Only residents of >> > Palau >> > > > are >> > > > > ineligible for immigrant status for resident tuition." A State >> > > > Department >> > > > > document states that citizens of Palau have "unrestricted access to >> > US >> > > > to >> > > > > live, study, work and assume habitual residence." Has anyone dealt >> > with >> > > > one >> > > > > of these situations? It is very confusing!! >> > > > > >> > > > > I am going to ask to see a copy of her passport which would indicate >> > > > > citizenship. If she is a US citizen, does the fact that she >> > receives >> > > > > funding from Palau prevent her from a claim of resident for tuition >> > > > paying >> > > > > purposes? >> > > > > >> > > > > Thanks for any light you can shed on this one. >> > > > > Elaine Voss, Assistant Dean of Students >> > > > > Office of Student Affairs >> > > > > 360 Lighty Student Services Building >> > > > > Pullman, WA 99164-1066 >> > > > > 509-335-1464 >> > > > > 509-335-1208 FAX >> > > > > email vosse@wsu.edu >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > Elaine Voss, Assistant Dean of Students Office of Student Affairs 360 Lighty Student Services Building Pullman, WA 99164-1066 509-335-1464 509-335-1208 FAX email vosse@wsu.edu .