From gbt@acm.org Tue Mar 7 22:20:37 2000 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id WAA44310 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 22:20:36 -0800 Received: from korovev.stm.it (korovev.stm.it [195.62.33.1]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id WAA06352 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 22:20:35 -0800 Received: from lizard (h001.mail.abb [192.168.128.1] (may be forged)) by korovev.stm.it (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id HAA19596 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 07:20:32 +0100 (ITA) From: "Gianfranco Boggio-Togna" To: "Classics" Subject: Re: Divas Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 22:20:04 +0100 Message-ID: <01bf887a$ea6c0a80$LocalHost@lizard> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.0.1812 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.0.1812 Keely Lake wrote: > Is anyone able to make more sense of this than I? My Italian is not > beyond stumbling, so I am wondering if there is indeed something > more than a confused journalist at heart here: > Verena Dobnik in the Denver Post, Sunday Feb. 27th, in an article > about Jessye Norman: "To fans, however, she is a diva in the true > sense of the word's Italian meaning, which describes an ancient > goddess praising Achilles in Homer's 'Iliad'." This sounds like a very hazy recollection of the opening lines of the classic Italian translation of the Iliad, by Vincenzo Monti (1758-1828): Cantami, o Diva, del Pelide Achille l'ira funesta che infiniti addusse lutti agli Achei, molte anzi tempo all'Orco generose travolse alme d'eroi, e di cani e d'augelli orrido pasto lor salme abbandono` (cosi` di Giove l'alto consiglio s'adempia), da quando primamente disgiunse aspra contesa il re de' prodi Atride e il divo Achille. "Divo" and "diva" were common variants (metrically much more convenient) of "dio" e "dea" and were also used as adjectives ("divo Achille"). "diva" occurs 84 times in Monti's translation. I wonder if Verena Dobnik went to school in Italy, where Monti's Iliad was still mandatory reading forty years ago. It is a masterpiece of neo-classical elegance, of course quite remote from Homer's style. Monti did not know much Greek; a fact that gave his former friend, and latter bitter enemy, Ugo Foscolo (a much greater poet) the occasion for a ferocious epigram: Questi e` il Monti, poeta e Cavaliero, gran traduttor de' traduttor di Omero. [ This is Monti, poet and knight, great translator of Homer's translators. ] Incidentally, "diva" no longer has in Italian the connotation it has preserved in English. An Italian soprano would be more likely to feel insulted than flattered by being called a "diva". The word is now used for lesser celebrities: "un divo del cinema", "una diva della televisione". -- Gianfranco Boggio-Togna Milano (Italy) .