From jbwest@u.washington.edu Fri Sep 18 14:15:50 1998 Received: from jason03.u.washington.edu (root@jason03.u.washington.edu [140.142.77.10]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id OAA20434 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:15:48 -0700 Received: from homer09.u.washington.edu (jbwest@homer09.u.washington.edu [140.142.77.13]) by jason03.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id OAA20112 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:15:47 -0700 Received: from localhost (jbwest@localhost) by homer09.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id OAA20594 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:15:46 -0700 Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:15:46 -0700 (PDT) From: James West To: Discussion of Residency Issues State Wide Subject: RE: Student from Palau In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In my previous life, I was the residency officer at the University of Hawaii at Hilo, and had the good fortune to travel to the Federated States of Micronesia on university business. (I remember this fondly when winter roles around!) We had a large Pacific basin population over 250 students from the Federated States of Micronesia (FSM), Republic of the Marshall Islands (RMI), and the Republic of Belau (formerly) Palau. These countries had previously been Trust Territories of the United States, and as such, their citizens received "special considerations." In the 1980s, both FSM and RMI became independent nations, and signed a Compact of Free Association with the U.S. (text of this Compact can be found at http://www.fsmembassy.org/compact/Compact%20Web/.) Palau did not sign this compact, and after several elections over many years, voted in 1994 to have some formalized relationship with the U.S. I left Hawaii at that time, and am not familiar with specifics of the agreement. Students from Palau enrolled at UH Hilo with an I-20, if they were not U.S. citizens. They were also eligible for all types of federal financial assistance. Hawaii has a statutory exemption of the nonresident tuition differential allowing "persons who are legal residents of any Pacific island or Asian district, commonwealth, territory, or insular jurisdiction, state, or nation which does not provide public institutions of higher learning" to pay resident tuition. We had a special residency code for these students indicating they were not residents, but paid resident tuition. Proof of domicile from their home country was required. Financial resources (or lack thereof) of the family were a major consideration in development of this exemption. I am still learning about the residency laws (and practices) for tuition purposes in WA state, but it seems we may want to consider these students differently than those coming from another state where access to "institutions of higher learning" is available. Thanks for the chance for input. Information about travel from Palau: Palau - Consular Information Sheet - June 3, 1998 Entry Requirements: A valid passport or proof of U.S. citizenship and onward/return ticket for a stay up to 30 days are required. A visa is required for stays longer than 30 days. Forms for entry permit can be obtained from airlines or shipping agencies servicing Palau. For more information about entry requirements for Palau, travelers may consult with the Representative Office, 1150 18th St., N.W., Suite 750, Washington, DC 20036, telephone (202) 452-6814. ---------------------- -- Jim West, Director -- Admissions & Registration -- University of Washington,Bothell Box #358500 -- 22011 26th Ave. SE, Bothell, WA 98021-4990 -- 425.352.5000; FAX:425.352.5335;TDD:425.352.5303 -- http://weber.u.washington.edu/~uwbweb/ On Fri, 18 Sep 1998, Joseph M. St.Hilaire wrote: > ***I agree with you, Tika, in your arguments for being consistent. I know > there are cases, however, especially where a student comes from > third-world countries, where the parents have meager existences and > through some great fortune of having a relative in the US have been able > to send their child off for a college education. Typically, the child is > living with and being supported by the relative. So in that respect, this > student can be regarded differently than one who comes from Oregon or > Tennessee to live with an aunt and uncle. I suppose it would be unusual > for that student to have a green card, but if he/she does, I could > honestly say that he/she is not being supported by non-res parents. > > Joe St.Hilaire > Western > > On Fri, 18 Sep 1998, Tika Esler wrote: > > > I have a few more thoughts on Virjean's thoughts :-) > > > > I am very much of the understanding that the law's intent is to have us > > first determine if the student is dependent or independent. The residency > > is then determine for the student or the "parent". Further, the student may > > only be a dependent of a parent or a legal guardian. > > > > This has been applied uniformly by Bellevue to mean if a student is not > > "independent", in other words if they are relying on someone else to support > > them and are unable to prove they are independent, then they are dependents, > > and we have asked them to provide parents' or legal guardian proof of > > residence. The state-wide form leads the student down this road, and I > > don't see a way around it. > > > > Thus, in this case from Palau, an apparently dependent student is being > > supported by parents that are in another country, they are deemed as > > non-resident. > > > > We also have students who attend that have come to the U.S. to complete high > > school from other countries and apply for admission. If the student is > > under 18 and a relative is actually supporting them, we strongly suggest > > that they ask their relative apply for legal guardianship before they become > > an adult. In one case, we've had an adult (over-18 year old student) have > > their relative gain legal guardianship so that we determined their legal > > guardian as a resident and granted the student residency. > > > > I believe that if we don't allow a "dependent" student to gain residency > > when a parent is in another state, that we should not allow it for a student > > from another country who's parents support him/her when the parents aren't > > living in this state either. I want to be flexible, but on this one we have > > to apply the law consistently, and I would bet that around the state we > > consistently would deny a dependent student that has out-of-state parents. > > Why would an out-of-country be different? > > > > Other thoughts?? We REALLY should come together here, students often play > > us agaisnt one another on issues, and this one seems like a big one to me. > > > > Tika A. Esler > > Associate Dean of Enrollment Services > > Bellevue Community College, Bellevue, WA > > tesler@bcc.ctc.edu > > (425) 641-2206 > > > > > ---------- > > > From: Virjean Edwards[SMTP:vedwards@u.washington.edu] > > > Reply To: residency@u.washington.edu > > > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 1998 8:35 AM > > > To: Discussion of Residency Issues State Wide > > > Subject: Re: Student from Palau > > > > > > I have a different read on this than Tika. If the student is a US > > > citizen and her parents do not live in the USA, she has the right to > > > residency within a state regardless of her income source. If she has > > > lived here for a minimum of 12 months,etc., I would give her residency. > > > > > > We see a lot of students whose parents live in a foreign country, but they > > > have been sent here for high school and college. These students are > > > either perm res or citizens and they have never lived in another state. > > > It does not seem right to deny them residency. > > > > > > Any other thoughts on this would be appreciated! > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > Virjean H. Edwards University of Washington > > > Assistant Registrar Office of the Registrar > > > Residency Officer 264 Schmitz Hall, Box 355850 > > > (206)543-3290 Seattle WA 98195-5850 > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > On Wed, 16 Sep 1998, Elaine Voss wrote: > > > > > > > I have an 18 year old student who claims US citizenship, but her parent > > > is a > > > > citizen of Palau and therefore does not file a US tax return. The > > > student > > > > receives Pell, Perkins, and SEOG grants and also has a scholarship from > > > The > > > > National Treasury of Palau. > > > > > > > > Page 21 of the Residency Handbook states that "Only residents of Palau > > > are > > > > ineligible for immigrant status for resident tuition." A State > > > Department > > > > document states that citizens of Palau have "unrestricted access to US > > > to > > > > live, study, work and assume habitual residence." Has anyone dealt with > > > one > > > > of these situations? It is very confusing!! > > > > > > > > I am going to ask to see a copy of her passport which would indicate > > > > citizenship. If she is a US citizen, does the fact that she receives > > > > funding from Palau prevent her from a claim of resident for tuition > > > paying > > > > purposes? > > > > > > > > Thanks for any light you can shed on this one. > > > > Elaine Voss, Assistant Dean of Students > > > > Office of Student Affairs > > > > 360 Lighty Student Services Building > > > > Pullman, WA 99164-1066 > > > > 509-335-1464 > > > > 509-335-1208 FAX > > > > email vosse@wsu.edu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .