From saint@admsec.wwu.edu Fri Sep 18 10:51:57 1998 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id KAA30378 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:51:56 -0700 Received: from blackhole.admcs.wwu.edu (blackhole.admcs.wwu.edu [140.160.248.20]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id KAA16243 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:51:56 -0700 Received: from uis.admsec.wwu.edu (gaea.admsec.wwu.edu [140.160.249.20]) by blackhole.admcs.wwu.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA13066 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:35:13 -0700 Received: from localhost (saint@localhost) by uis.admsec.wwu.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA15421 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:52:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:52:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. St.Hilaire" To: Discussion of Residency Issues State Wide Subject: RE: Student from Palau In-Reply-To: <205934FB3A2DD011BD1B08002BE6017001EDF28B@BCC_EXCH1.bcc.ctc.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ***I agree with you, Tika, in your arguments for being consistent. I know there are cases, however, especially where a student comes from third-world countries, where the parents have meager existences and through some great fortune of having a relative in the US have been able to send their child off for a college education. Typically, the child is living with and being supported by the relative. So in that respect, this student can be regarded differently than one who comes from Oregon or Tennessee to live with an aunt and uncle. I suppose it would be unusual for that student to have a green card, but if he/she does, I could honestly say that he/she is not being supported by non-res parents. Joe St.Hilaire Western On Fri, 18 Sep 1998, Tika Esler wrote: > I have a few more thoughts on Virjean's thoughts :-) > > I am very much of the understanding that the law's intent is to have us > first determine if the student is dependent or independent. The residency > is then determine for the student or the "parent". Further, the student may > only be a dependent of a parent or a legal guardian. > > This has been applied uniformly by Bellevue to mean if a student is not > "independent", in other words if they are relying on someone else to support > them and are unable to prove they are independent, then they are dependents, > and we have asked them to provide parents' or legal guardian proof of > residence. The state-wide form leads the student down this road, and I > don't see a way around it. > > Thus, in this case from Palau, an apparently dependent student is being > supported by parents that are in another country, they are deemed as > non-resident. > > We also have students who attend that have come to the U.S. to complete high > school from other countries and apply for admission. If the student is > under 18 and a relative is actually supporting them, we strongly suggest > that they ask their relative apply for legal guardianship before they become > an adult. In one case, we've had an adult (over-18 year old student) have > their relative gain legal guardianship so that we determined their legal > guardian as a resident and granted the student residency. > > I believe that if we don't allow a "dependent" student to gain residency > when a parent is in another state, that we should not allow it for a student > from another country who's parents support him/her when the parents aren't > living in this state either. I want to be flexible, but on this one we have > to apply the law consistently, and I would bet that around the state we > consistently would deny a dependent student that has out-of-state parents. > Why would an out-of-country be different? > > Other thoughts?? We REALLY should come together here, students often play > us agaisnt one another on issues, and this one seems like a big one to me. > > Tika A. Esler > Associate Dean of Enrollment Services > Bellevue Community College, Bellevue, WA > tesler@bcc.ctc.edu > (425) 641-2206 > > > ---------- > > From: Virjean Edwards[SMTP:vedwards@u.washington.edu] > > Reply To: residency@u.washington.edu > > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 1998 8:35 AM > > To: Discussion of Residency Issues State Wide > > Subject: Re: Student from Palau > > > > I have a different read on this than Tika. If the student is a US > > citizen and her parents do not live in the USA, she has the right to > > residency within a state regardless of her income source. If she has > > lived here for a minimum of 12 months,etc., I would give her residency. > > > > We see a lot of students whose parents live in a foreign country, but they > > have been sent here for high school and college. These students are > > either perm res or citizens and they have never lived in another state. > > It does not seem right to deny them residency. > > > > Any other thoughts on this would be appreciated! > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Virjean H. Edwards University of Washington > > Assistant Registrar Office of the Registrar > > Residency Officer 264 Schmitz Hall, Box 355850 > > (206)543-3290 Seattle WA 98195-5850 > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > On Wed, 16 Sep 1998, Elaine Voss wrote: > > > > > I have an 18 year old student who claims US citizenship, but her parent > > is a > > > citizen of Palau and therefore does not file a US tax return. The > > student > > > receives Pell, Perkins, and SEOG grants and also has a scholarship from > > The > > > National Treasury of Palau. > > > > > > Page 21 of the Residency Handbook states that "Only residents of Palau > > are > > > ineligible for immigrant status for resident tuition." A State > > Department > > > document states that citizens of Palau have "unrestricted access to US > > to > > > live, study, work and assume habitual residence." Has anyone dealt with > > one > > > of these situations? It is very confusing!! > > > > > > I am going to ask to see a copy of her passport which would indicate > > > citizenship. If she is a US citizen, does the fact that she receives > > > funding from Palau prevent her from a claim of resident for tuition > > paying > > > purposes? > > > > > > Thanks for any light you can shed on this one. > > > Elaine Voss, Assistant Dean of Students > > > Office of Student Affairs > > > 360 Lighty Student Services Building > > > Pullman, WA 99164-1066 > > > 509-335-1464 > > > 509-335-1208 FAX > > > email vosse@wsu.edu > > > > > > > > > .