From lwaller@sph.emory.edu Mon Apr 17 06:42:24 2000 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id GAA33286 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 06:42:22 -0700 Received: from gator.sph.emory.edu (gator.sph.emory.edu [170.140.4.2]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id GAA01548 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 06:42:22 -0700 Received: from viper.sph.emory.edu (root@viper.sph.emory.edu [170.140.4.1]) by gator.sph.emory.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e3HDgHr00358 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 09:42:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sph.emory.edu (squid.sph.emory.edu [170.140.4.9]) by viper.sph.emory.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e3HDgG906098 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 09:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Sender: lwaller@sph.emory.edu Message-ID: <38FB14B4.BDE489AB@sph.emory.edu> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 09:42:12 -0400 From: Lance Waller X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.7 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: waphgis@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: WAPHGIS: rural versus urban References: <200004151521.LAA19848@smtpsrv1.isis.unc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the information on the Beale codes, very interesting. I have a brief comment and question for the list regarding possibly extending to (US) census tracts. I've analyzed some census tract level data from central NY and have some impressions about tract data that I would like the list to comment on as to their generality. Some background (as I understand it, corrections encouraged): - Tracts were originally designed to have roughly the same population size in each (about 3000 people or so). Naturally, this results in geographically small tracts in areas with higher population density, and geographically large tracts in areas with lower pop'n density. Now, (my data is 1980 census data) I naively expected to find higher pop'n sizes in urban areas over time, but what I find is much higher *variability* (big AND small numbers) in pop'n size in "urban" tracts than in "rural" tracts (I suppose due to rezoning, more mobile population etc). The result is that the lowest pop'n sizes often occur in "urban" tracts (in my case, a pop'n size of 3 people in one tract in Syracuse), while the "rural" tracts stay about the same size (less mobile and larger geographically, so people have to move farther to get out of the tract). Some rural tracts have small pop'n sizes, but most of the small ones seem to be in the cities in my data set. This is of interest to me since some spatial smoothing procedures for rates argue about small numerators (pop'n sizes) in rural tracts when the problem is actually often worse in urban tracts. Anyone else have this experience? (I expect ZIPs are a bit more "stable" (ironic use of the word as ZIPs can change at any time) in pop'n size since they are reassigned if they get too small or large (pop'n wise)). Lance Waller Dept of Biostatistics Rollins School of Public Health Emory University Atlanta, GA .