From lockyert@mweb.co.za Sun Nov 18 01:22:14 2001 Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fAI9MAn167330 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 01:22:11 -0800 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Sun Nov 18 01:22:09 2001 -0800 Received: from laibach.mweb.co.za (laibach.mweb.co.za [196.2.53.177]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fAI9M4B23990 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 01:22:06 -0800 Received: from ndf-dial-196-30-125-97.mweb.co.za ([196.30.125.97] helo=al40) by laibach.mweb.co.za with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 165OB8-0000a1-00 for classics@u.washington.edu; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 11:23:55 +0200 Message-ID: <000901c17012$10e74a00$617d1ec4@al40> From: "Terrence Lockyer" To: "Classics List" Subject: Re: Ajax & Achilles Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 11:19:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 On Sun, 18 Nov 2001, Didrik Schiele quoted a reference to : the image on several pots of Ajax & Achilles playing : some kind of game and asked : Can it be that Odysseus and Ajax from Salamis are : playing a game to conclude whom of them are most : worthy of winning the dead achilleus armour? The most famous, and perhaps the best (yes, I know that is a subjective judgement, which I make on the basis of structure, composition, detail, and a more intangible overall atmosphere), of these images, by Exekias (the vase is signed, and traditionally dated c. 540-30 BCE on the relative chronology), must be Akhilleus and Aias, for they are so labelled ("AXILEOS" on the left, "AIANTOS" on the right). Akhilleus seems to be winning: he is the more statuesque figure (for he wears his plumed helmet, while Aias does not), is facing right to left (as victors usually do in Attic painting: Herakles usually wrestles lions from left to right, for example), and seems to be saying "four" to Aias' "three". There is also an "Onetorides kalos" inscription, by the way: this is quite a literate vase. The piece is an amphora from Vulci, is now Vatican Museums No. 344, and is listed as ABV 145.13 (that is, J. D. Beazley, Attic Black-figure Vase-painters [1956], but don't go to Beazley for illustrations: there are none). It is conveniently illustrated in: - John Boardman, Athenian Black Figure Vases: A Handbook (London : Thames and Hudson 1974 [and reprints]) [half-page black-and-white photograph of the scene at fig. 100] - Nigel Spivey, Greek Art (London : Phaidon 1997) [excellent full-page full-colour photograph of whole side of vase at fig. 91 on page 153] - John Boardman (ed.), The Oxford History of Classical Art (Oxford : Oxford University Press 1993) [full-page black-and-white photograph of whole side of vase at fig. 70, on page 75, and discussed on page 73] There will be many, many other photographs of this. Terrence Lockyer Johannesburg, South Africa .