From pericles@temple.edu Sun Dec 9 00:49:30 2001 Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB98nQn31508 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 00:49:27 -0800 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Sun Dec 09 00:49:25 2001 -0800 Received: from femail35.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail35.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.25]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fB98nPNR022590 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 00:49:25 -0800 Received: from temple.edu ([24.37.50.60]) by femail35.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20011209084924.LRNU19526.femail35.sdc1.sfba.home.com@temple.edu> for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 00:49:24 -0800 Message-ID: <3C1325D8.6FFE40A6@temple.edu> Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 03:50:33 -0500 From: Dan Tompkins Reply-To: pericles@temple.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: classics@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: "Providence," Rhode(s) Island, & Mexico References: <3c12ecfd.17bc4.0@loyno.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is an interesting review of recent studies of the Rise of the West in American Historical Review by Gale Stokes of Rice U: The Fates of Human Societies: A Review of Recent Macrohistories AHR 106.2 (2001) 508-525 http://www.historycooperative.org/cgi-bin/justtop.cgi?act=justtop&url=http://www.historycoop.org/journals/ahr//106.2/ah000508.html --an excerpt only, with instructions on how to get the full item; published in a different version in Lingua Franca Nov. 2001: http://www.linguafranca.com/print/0111/cover.html ___ Stokes reviews recent work by Andre Gunder Frank, David Landes, Kenneth Pomeranz and other world historians, a lot of them economic historians. China plays a major role in many of the studies. So does energy (coal) and "geographic good luck" -- the proximity of goal and iron ore deposits. Colonial slavery (which helped the British to "escape an approaching Malthusian trap" in which available land fails to support population, trading land-based products [sugar, cotton] for manufactured goods that required little land]) figures in Pomeranz' argument. The dating of the "takeoff" of Europe varies in these studies, some placing it as late as the 1800s (coal), others earlier. Stokes remarks that many of these studies are characterized by their "overkill" of opposing theories. Dan "R. J. Rowland, Jr." wrote: > > For an alternative (and for this writer more sensible) viewpoint, see Guns, Germs, > and Steel: The Fates of Human Societies -- by Jared Diamond; Paperback Amazon's > Price: $12.76 -- Or buy > used from $11.48. > Bob Rowland > > >A lively and critical discussion of the role of disease (smallpox, etc.) > >in the European conquest of the New World is found in Victor Davis Hanson, .