From mark.snegg@onwe.co.za Sun Oct 17 00:11:32 1999 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id AAA53944 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 00:11:31 -0700 Received: from pop.ibi.co.za (IDENT:root@pop.ibi.co.za [196.28.81.35]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id AAA12685 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 00:11:29 -0700 Received: from user (ndf53-05-p63.gt.saix.net [155.239.82.63]) by pop.ibi.co.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA12476 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 09:14:59 +0200 From: "Mark Snegg" To: "Classics List" Subject: Re: semi-classical query Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 09:04:29 +0200 Message-ID: <01bf186d$db24ff00$LocalHost@user> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Alfred Kriman wrote : > LNSc = LNS/cos(T). > >cos is the trigonometric cosine function, T is an angle proportional to >the time away from true local noon: > > T = 15deg. * (time away from true noon in units of hours) > >Thus, at "10:30" and at "1:30", T = 15deg. * 1.5 = 22.5 deg.; >cos(T) = 0.924 and the corrected value of LNS is LNSc = LNS/.924 >= 1.08 * LNS. The corrected value LNSc is the one you want to use as >you would the measured shadow length at noon. By "10:30", of course, >I mean 1h30m before true local noon (computed half-way between sunrise >and sunset). This assumes that the effect of the sun rising or setting is negligible - which would only be true very close to noon. It must be taken into account if the measurement is done an hour or two before or after true noon. The sun has two motions : E to W and up and down in the sky. This additional correction depends on the latitude. At the latitude of Toronto, 43deg 42min, the sun will be at a height of 46deg 18min at true noon on the equinox. Assuming that the rate of ascent and descent is constant, then one hour after noon the sun will have set by 7deg 43 min. This will increase the length of the shadow by about 13%. This additional correction has to be applied before using the NS component of the shadow to calculate the length at noon. I would think that a better solution (if it's practically possible ) would be to take the measurements with the three different classes at noon, but the day before the equinox, on the equinox, and the day after the equinox. This would introduce an error of only a fraction of a percent, which is well within the margins of error for the experiment. Mark Snegg .