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From: "Christopher Robbins" <Chrisica@msn.com>
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Subject: RE: Trans Rhenum in monte Piri?
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 04:21:24 -0500
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Dan:
No disagreement with JLPB, only a possibly helpful shading.  The Barrington
suggests that "Alamanni" is used broadly here, for there are other, lesser
tribal markers in the sweep of area to which the term is applied (e.g.,
"Burgundiones, Hermunduri").  Turning to the narrower area in the vicinity
of Lopodunum and more specifically down river at bit to where the Nicer (it
is the Neckar) and the Rhenus join (i.e., modern Mannheim), the Barrington
lists "Suebi Nicretes" at precisely that point, with the former on the west
and the latter on the east of the Rhine.  The period key the B. applies here
is for BC30-AD300.

CRR


(1) Dan Hunt inquired:
>>In Ammianus, we are told that around 367 a certain Duke Arator was put in
>>charge of the region "trans Rhenum in monte Piri".  Now, "across the
Rhine"
>>I know, but can anyone please shed light on the modern name/location of
>>Mount "Piri"?  And do we know what tribal territory this was at the time?

(2) James Lawrence Peter Butrica replied:
>For a start, my atlas has Mt. Pirus at 49.29 latitude N, 8.50 longitude E
>(from Greenwich and about 27 "from Ferro").
>On the map, it's a bit east of the Rhine on the river "Nicer" (the Neckar?
>"Bald gras' ich am Neckar, bald gras' ich am Rhein") before it runs into
>the Rhine just past "Lupodonum." For what it's worth, it's in an
>orange-coloured section marked "Agridecumates," but there's no key to say
>what period in history is represented here, and "Alemanni" is written
>crosswise right over the mountain, so it would seem that the Alemanni are
>the local tribe.


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