From glucker@post.tau.ac.il Sun Feb 7 01:58:05 1999 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id BAA24640 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 01:58:04 -0800 Received: from post.tau.ac.il (root@post.tau.ac.il [132.66.16.11]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.2+UW99.01/8.9.2+UW99.01) with ESMTP id BAA26486 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 01:58:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from ccsg.tau.ac.il (ppp2-034.tau.ac.il [132.66.91.34]) by post.tau.ac.il (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA22859 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 11:57:58 +0200 (IST) Message-ID: <36BD644F.AA511B1B@ccsg.tau.ac.il> Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 12:00:48 +0200 From: John Glucker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: classics@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Saturnalia Sacrifice References: <199902060810.AAA04494@lists2.u.washington.edu> <36BCF9FF.C4DCCC8D@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fred Mench wrote: > > Dear List Members, > > My colleague, Demetrios Constantelos, came across a reference to a 10th century > Greek manuscript in which the story of the martyrdom of St Dasios (time of > Diocletian) was related, including the detail that it was the practice at the > Kronia (presumably = Saturnalia) to choose a young Roman soldier to enjoy a > month of the best of life (wine, women & song), at the end of which he would be > sacrificed to the god(s). > > Does anyone know about any connection of a human sacrifice of this sort with > Roman ritual, especially with the Saturnalia, in the time of Diocletian or any > other time? The story sounds unlikely to me on the face of it & Demetrios thinks > it unlikely that Lactantius or some anti-pagan source wouldn't have mentioned it > if they knew about it. Is this made up out of whole cloth, on the analogy of the > traditional dying king topos? > > Thanks. > > Fred Mench > Stockton College Some details in this story remind me of Josephus, *Contra Apionem* 2.89-97, one of the earliest and most lurid libels against the Jews. This part of Josephus has reached us only in the Latin translation made in the sixth century; but it is more than likely that at the time of Diocletian, and for a good few years later, The Greek origial of the whole work was still current. John Glucker. .