From akriman@darwin.helios.nd.edu Sun Dec 26 20:09:39 1999 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id UAA37956 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 20:09:38 -0800 Received: from darwin.helios.nd.edu (akriman@darwin.helios.nd.edu [129.74.250.114]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id UAA19404 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 20:09:38 -0800 Received: (from akriman@localhost) by darwin.helios.nd.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) id XAA08865 for classics@u.washington.edu; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 23:09:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 23:09:36 -0500 (EST) From: Alfred M Kriman Message-Id: <199912270409.XAA08865@darwin.helios.nd.edu> To: classics@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: QUERY: eucharistic Ceres & Bacchus David Lupher > In response to my query about Ceres and Bacchus in Christian > religious iconography as Eucharistic symbols, Jim Holoka responded: > >Try Hugo Rahner, Greek Myths and Christian Mystery. .... > So there, in Mathews' passing comment, is the Dionysos-Eucharist > connection (yes, I know: Ho"lderlin uses it in "Brot und Wein," but > he's beyond my chronological range). But, again, I'm looking for a > pairing of Dionysos and Ceres in early Christian, medieval, or early > modern art, esp. in churches. Neither Rahner nor Hatch (_Influence of Greek Ideas and Usages upon the Christian Church_, uh, 1888) mention specifically *artistic* uses of Ceres or Bacchus. Of course, early Christianity developed in a context of and contest with mystery religions, and there seems to be broad agreement (see DL's post also) that mystery-cult conceptions influenced the development of Christian language and practice, including baptism and eucharist, but the evidence is apparently all literary or inscriptional. A speculation (and it may be addressed in these books, which I haven't studied): perhaps Christianity could most safely adopt outward forms from mystery cults during the late fourth and fifth century, when they were a weakening adversary, and when moreover pagan devotion was becoming more fuzzily syncretistic and tending towards sun-worship (so Rahner); Dionysus was coming to be represented in forms associated with the sun-god, so perhaps one might expect less in the way of specifically Dionysian imagery. .