From owner-btk-mca@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Sat Jun 10 20:30:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix, from userid 110) id DAB3C17B3A; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:30:10 +0100 (BST) Received: by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix, from userid 6024) id A9EF717A6D; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:30:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (niobium [193.62.192.41]) by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0EA0415DD for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:30:08 +0100 (BST) Received: (from news@localhost) by niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.8.8) id UAA19441 for btk-mca-list@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:30:08 +0100 (BST) X-Authentication-Warning: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk: news set sender to using -f From: Petr Kuzmic X-Newsgroups: bionet.metabolic-reg Subject: Re: Drug design for HIV-1 PR. Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:29:31 -0500 Organization: BioKin Ltd. [http://www.biokin.com] Lines: 324 Message-ID: <3942971B.CDAC475C@biokin.com> References: <393D6667.B5C164C6@biokin.com> <3940E7A3.59CB46E0@biokin.com> <394126A0.B500AEC1@biokin.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.doit.wisc.edu 960665202 15430 128.104.50.134 (10 Jun 2000 19:26:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@doit.wisc.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: btk-mca@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Sender: owner-btk-mca@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Leonard Pattenden wrote: [...] > > I'm in the "enzyme stretches the scissile amide bond" camp, but I don't > think there will be a gross "flash" change at the TS. To go from the > substrate to the transition state (if we assume the TS is accurately > mimicked by the inhibitors) would take a lot of energy and would mean > radical changes about the active site, but the whole thing looks much more > subtle than that. I agree that the structural changes during the HIV protease catalysis (or in any enzyme, for that matter) are probably "much more subtle" than many people originally assumed. In my thinking about these structural changes, I was very influenced by reading Hans Frauenfelder's work on myoglobin. Here is one of the most important references, which made a huge difference in how I think about protein dynamics in general and enzyme catalysis in particular: FRAUENFELDER H, SLIGAR SG, WOLYNES PG THE ENERGY LANDSCAPES AND MOTIONS OF PROTEINS SCIENCE 254: (5038) 1598-1603 DEC 13 1991 More references follow at the end of my message. I haven't seen them *all*, but I have seen most of them and they are eye-opening for any enzymologist interested in structure / function relationships. > Further, I have read in many papers that people believe the flaps close > tighter on an inhibitor compared to a substrate. Len, after you look closely at Frauenfelder's papers, you will probably never stop asking yourself (as I do): what does it even mean to say "the flap closes tigher", given that protein domains move constantly? This discussion probably belongs to 'bionet.biophysics', but I will say here at least that proteins are /dynamic/ molecules. According to Fraunfelder's view of what he calls the "rugged energy landscape", any structural change in an enzyme probably takes place via a very large number of very small steps, or coordinated elementary motions, that combine in a sequence, to produce the overall 'macroscopic' effect. So we have here a common idea put forward by Athel a few days ago, but now the same idea is presented in three different manifestations: (1) it is rarely possible to assign a controlling or "rate limiting" role to a single enzyme reaction in a metabolic sequence; it seems that a better view is to see the entire cascade as a complete system, with parts that are mutually interdependent in a complex fashion; (2) on the next lower level in the molecular hierarchy, it seems rarely even possible to ascribe some kind of "rate limiting" character to a particular step in the given reaction mechanism (for the given enzyme); (3) finally, descending even further onto the atomic level (talking about molecular fragments, such as protein domains or aminoacid side-chains), Frauenfelder et al. see in their experiments that protein conformational changes /themselves/ are "composed" of very many tiny motions, each of which represents only a very small barrier on the potential energy surface ("rugged landscape", they call it). /Somehow/ on the system level the tiny energy changes get orchestrated into what we see as global conformational change. > From my structures I > conclude that the interactions about the flap regions with the > conserved water and ligand carbonyls, as well as the related H-bonding > from G48/148 to ligand amides shows HIV-1 PR alters interactions and > structure about the flap region and through the conserved water to satisfy > all H-bonding interactions. This is particularly exemplified in the case > of the inhibitor which binds very differently to both the substrate and > product ligands, but still maintains good H-bonding through this region. Following through with what I said above, I personally believe that our attempts to see ligand binding mostly in terms of /separate/, highly /localized/ interactions ("this H-bond", "this methyl group") are somehow off the mark. In my opinion, it's the /totality/ of the very many small interactions, in and /outside/ the enzyme active site, that causes the substrate or enzyme to bind. As far as binding /outside/ the active site followed by "sliding" of the substrate (or inhibitor) into the catalytic site, it's very worthwile to look up the work of Kuo-Chen Chou, who is now at Upjohn/Pharmacia [or whatever conglomerate happens to own them now]. When you ask him, he will happily send you re-prints of the work he's done at Shanghai prior to his coming to the U.S. to work with Gordon Hammes. Chou has proposed a kinetic theory of "nonspecific" intermolecular interactions that could explain extremely high association rates for certain protein/DNA interactions. The references to Chou's theoretical work (published in the proceedings of the Chinese Academy during Mao's era!) are in these papers of ours: http://www.biokin.com/papers/biblio.html#Kuzm9175 http://www.biokin.com/papers/biblio.html#Kuzm9119 > > that is "seen" by the charged ligands. Importantly, these /nonspecific/ > > interactions physically occur nowhere near the active site, and yet by > > modulating the ionic strength (and thus k1, k1*) were able to change the > > Km and kcat/Km (for substrates) or Ki (for inhibitors) by more than > > three orders of magnitude! Importantly, the kcat stayed constant. > > There was no "salting-in" effect because the overall ionic strength was > > quite low. > > Incredible! Perhaps when we think Ionic strength is modulating the enzyme > in assays of HIV-1 PR by "salting in" the inhibitor it can also be > modulating the enzyme directly by a non-specific interaction of surface > residues quite analogous to pepsin? How very interesting. It's very important to realize that we carefully constructed our test system so as to /emphasize/ the ionic interactions, in a way that cannot be reproduced in the HIV protease. Out of the total 330 or so aminoacids, porcine pepsin has /many/ aspartates and glutamates /uncompensated/ by basic aminoacids. Most of these acidic residues are on the protein surface, which is the reason why at pH 4.0 pepsin probably looks like one giant ball of negative charges. In contrast, our substrates and inhibitors had a multitude of lysines and arginines, so we have in fact engineered poly-ionic molecules with very high and /opposite/ total charge. You can't do that with any other protease, or most likely with any other enzyme for that matter. (Last time I looked, pepsin has absolutely the lowest iso-electric point of all known proteins.) > I searched the > structure for a long-range charge attractant like a carboxy-anion hole or > something and found nothing except the highly conserved Arg 8/108, which > is a whole other story in itself, I've made some compounds to "take > out" these Arg's but it's a real can of worms. Perhaps the aspartyl > proteases doesn't need a charge attractant? Perhaps, as for pepsin, if the > pI is around 1.5 for the surface, perhaps this alone is enough to attract > charged residues? Exactly, as I explained above. > The more I think about it the more I feel HIV-1 PR is subject to strict > control. There is the cysteines which are subject to selective > glutathionylation - one enhances, the other inactivates catalysis, there > is the charged residues at p6 which act as an inhibitor at cytosolic pH, > there is the preference for acidic pH and salt as in a budding virion, Len, to be the devil's advocate, how many molecules of HIV protease do you think migt be in the budding HIV virion? Just wondering if our concept of pH and ionic strength is at all applicable to similar biological objects. I think that enzyme kinetics in /membranes/, /virions/, and organized (sequestered) structures like that would be much better described using a completely different concepts, as well as different mathematical formalism (e.g., Markov chains of statistics, instead of the Mass-Action Law, the way neurologists think about the kinetics of ion channels). > I read a lot of papers, but only in the last six months has it become > expedient to look at another assay. I also want to try some Microcal, like > Todd et al have been pumping out. I am thinking of playing with Arg's to > help bioavailability - something you've done by the sounds of it, did you > try anything vs cells? Nope. Plus I don't have a lab anymore (unless you want to invite me for a visit, to see if I can still hold a pipettor), just writing computer programs these days. > I want to get my hands on the common drugs to try in my assay for direct > comparison, do you happen to have any Saquinavir/ritonavir/Indinavir or > VX-478 lying around? I don't, but I can ask some doctor friends of mine, or maybe someone else reading this can supply you with the goodies. Best wishes, - Petr _____________________________________________________________________ Petr Kuzmic, Ph.D. * BioKin, Ltd. * Consulting & Software Development http://www.biokin.com * (608) 256-4790 * (608) 256-1269 FAX -------------------------------------------------------------- Selected bibliography of Hans Frauenfelder on protein dynamics -------------------------------------------------------------- Frauenfelder H, Wolynes PG, Austin RH Biological physics REV MOD PHYS 71: S419-S430 Sp. Iss. SI MAR 1999 Frauenfelder H, Leeson DT The energy landscape in non-biological and biological molecules NAT STRUCT BIOL 5: (9) 757-759 SEP 1998 Frauenfelder H, McMahon B Dynamics and function of proteins: The search for general concepts P NATL ACAD SCI USA 95: (9) 4795-4797 APR 28 1998 Nienhaus GU, Muller JD, McMahon BH, et al. 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