From owner-celegans@net.bio.net Mon Oct 06 23:00:00 1997 Path: biosci!biosci!not-for-mail From: fitch@acf2.nyu.edu (David H. A. Fitch) Newsgroups: bionet.celegans Subject: Re: nematode ancestory Date: 7 Oct 1997 09:36:16 -0700 Organization: BIOSCI International Newsgroups for Molecular Biology Lines: 71 Sender: daemon@net.bio.net Approved: wmorgan@acs.wooster.edu Distribution: world Message-ID: <61doe0$rfl@net.bio.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: net.bio.net Hi Dave, Of course, there is no fossil record for nematodes, and any molecular clock cannot therefore be appropriately calibrated. However, there are other ways to estimate the time of divergence between rhabditids and tylenchids. V. Malakhov (1994, Nematodes: Structure, Development, Classification and Phylogeny, Smithsonian Institution Press, Washington) makes (I think) the best argument based on the assumption that terrestrial parasitism must have been preceded by soil saprobiosis (pp. 196-198); i.e., "no earlier than the appearance of abundant flora and fauna on land and no earlier than the appearance of soil as a special specific environment for habitation." Consequently, "the epoch of parasitism formation in this evolutionary branch can be assigned to the period when land plants and animals appeared; that is, the Devonian period, probably even toward the end of that period (no earlier than 350 million years ago)." Actually, that is near the end of the Devonian period. This estimate makes sense in other ways too. Molecular and morphological evidence suggest ascarid-like lineages diverged from the rhabditid-like lineages before tylenchids diverged from rhabditid-like ancestors. Ascarid-like groups include parasites of not only terrestrial hosts, but also of aquatic hosts (including primitively diverging groups of fish). Malakhov goes on to write, "If one accepts this point of view, then the epoch of the formation of parasitism in the spiroascaridid branch of Rhabditia is no more recent than early Ordovician (about 500 million years ago)..." So, the earliest possible divergence for rhabditids and tylenchids is probably between 360 MYA (end of the Devonian) and 300 MYA, by the time vascular land plants had already extensively diversified. But the actual divergence could have been much later. Maybe it would be informative to see if there are any reviews on the distribution of tylenchids according to the phylogeny of terrestrial plants! Best wishes, Dave Fitch >Is there a published estimate of how long (in millions of years) since C. >elegans shared a common ancestor with one of the Tylenchid nematodes (e.g., >or in fact specifically, Heterodera glycines)? If not, is anyone able to >provide a guess that you would be willing to have stand as a pers. comm. in >an article I am writing for J. Nematol.? >Thanks, >dave > >David McK. Bird >Associate Professor >Department of Plant Pathology >North Carolina State University >3415 Gardner Hall >Raleigh, NC 27695-7616 > >Office: (919) 515-6813 >Fax: (919) 515-9500 >http://www2.ncsu.edu/unity/lockers/project/plantpath/Personnel/Faculty/bird.htm >l ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ ~ - - ~ David Fitch ~ \ / / / ~ Department of Biology ~ \ / / ~ New York University ~ [] / / ~ Main Building, Room 1009 ~ \ / / ~ New York, NY 10003 ~ \ / ~ 212-998-8254 ~ \ / ~ fax 212-995-4015 ~ / ~ fitch@acf2.nyu.edu ~ / ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ .