From owner-metabolic-reg@net.bio.net Sat Oct 09 23:00:00 1993 Path: biosci!ciit.org!SCHLOSSER From: SCHLOSSER@ciit.org Newsgroups: bionet.metabolic-reg Subject: partial vs. total derivatives Message-ID: <9310101757.AA25248@net.bio.net> Date: 10 Oct 93 17:56:00 GMT Sender: daemon@net.bio.net Distribution: bionet Lines: 43 According to "The Calculus with Analytic Geometry" by Letihold (3rd edn., pp 930-931) if u = f(x,y) and x and y are functions of both time, t, AND other variables, then del u/del t = (del u/del x)*(del x/del t) + (del u/del y)*(del y/del t) where 'del' is the partial derivative operator. Thus, though the chain rule is applied, the derivative of u is written as a partial because x and y, and hence u, depend are functions of other variables as well. *However*, if x and y are functions of t *only* then one would write du/dt = (del u/del x)*(dx/dt) + (del u/del y)*(dy/dt) So, according to this text, the issue is not determined solely by the use of the chain rule, but by whether there is, ultimately, a single variable (vs. multiple variables) on which the system depends. For pathway fluxes, we think of the flux as being a function of all the V_max's, so by this definition we "should" use the partial derivative for control coeefs. The problem for us, is that, we typically have V_i = f(x, y; V_i_max) and we need to distinguish between the derivative of V_i w.r.t V_i_max when x and y are held constant (the elasticity) and when x and y vary. By the text, the control coeff. is the partial derivative, and THERE IS NO formal derivative notation for the elasticity. I think that we can get around this by the following construct: if we wish to consider the control of the pathway fluxes by V_j_max, then we first restrict the set of equations to set values of V_i_max for i not equal to j (and all other parameters are restricted to set values as well). Then the steady state fluxes and concentrations are a function of precisely one variabl, V_j_max, and the use of 'del' for elasticity and 'd' for contol coeff. is formally correct. To be completely formal in doing this, we should then symbolicly represent the restriction of the model to the set {all params}\{param of interest}, but that would get to be very cumbersome. I think, though, that we could satisfy the mathematical purists by saying that this restriction is *understood* whenever we write "dV/dV_j_max" or "del V/delV_j_max". Paul Schlosser .