From owner-biophysics@net.bio.net Mon Nov 30 22:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!cyclone.swbell.net!nntp.giganews.com!solomon.io.com!news.tamu.edu!fox.tamu.edu!not-for-mail From: wej3715@fox.tamu.edu (Walter Eric Johnson) Newsgroups: bionet.biophysics,bionet.microbiology,bionet.neuroscience Subject: Re: The truth is out there Followup-To: bionet.biophysics,bionet.microbiology,bionet.neuroscience Date: 1 Dec 1998 06:25:10 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, Texas Lines: 50 Message-ID: <740246$k24$1@news.tamu.edu> References: <73sh3s$1n2$2@news.tamu.edu> <912381406.6676.0.nnrp-04.d4e44203@news.demon.co.uk> <73t7tt$9kr$2@news.tamu.edu> <36635D8D.46F680BA@pop3.concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: unix.tamu.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Dec 1998 06:25:10 GMT X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Xref: biosci bionet.biophysics:4604 bionet.microbiology:15218 bionet.neuroscience:26160 kkollins@pop3.concentric.net wrote: : Walter Eric Johnson wrote: : > Andrew K Fletcher (andrew.k.fletcher@naturesway.demon.co.uk) wrote: : > : how people are supposed to think in order to become scientists? I believe : > : you have touched upon the very reason for such a prolonged existence of many : > : erroneous scientific projections : > What do you mean by "prolonged existence of erroneous scientific : > projections"? Give concrete examples, please. : Ptolemaic Astronomy, Phlogiston Theory, Blood-Letting, Phrenology, "attractive : 'gravity'", "conservation of energy", "'constant' c", "the vacuum of 'empty' : space", "the 'atomic nucleus'", "sub-atomic 'particles'", "quantum" Mechanics, : "the strong-'nuclear' force", "symmetry", "black holes", etc. K. P. Collins (ken) You seriously need to justify the inclusion of some of the above as "erroneous". Instead of conservation of energy, we have the conservation of mass-energy. Instead of attraction of gravity, we have gravity as a consequence of the curvature of space-time. For every normal every day occurrence, thinking of gravity as an attractive force suffices. What do you have against atomic nuclei and sub-atomic particles? By "constant c", I assume you are referring to the speed of light. Normally, c is used to refer to the speed of light in a vacuum with the realization that the speed of light is not constant in all substances. In fact, the slower speed of light in water produces some clear optical illusions. The speed of light in glass is slower than the speed of light in a vacuum and consequently allows us to build lenses. Are you suggesting that the speed of light in a vacuum is not constant? I have no idea what you don't like about black holes. The evidence indicates that they probably exist -- nothing else completely fits the facts (according to my best understanding). Please provide a better description of what is wrong with these and the evidence which supports your view. Even for some of the above such as Ptolemy, his theory explained the movements of the planets while keeping the Earth as the center of the universe. With advances in scientific thought, his view was overturned. I guess you think we should skip intermediate understandings of nature and jump immediately to some final theory in the complete absence of evidence to suggest that such a final theory is needed. Eric Johnson .