From owner-biophysics@net.bio.net Sat Feb 07 22:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!agate!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!152.158.16.55!newsfeed2.uk.ibm.net!news.ibm.net.il!ibm.net!news.biu.ac.il!news.huji.ac.il!not-for-mail From: "Jonathan B. Marder" Newsgroups: bionet.biophysics Subject: Re: Dielectric constant of biomembranes Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 12:23:18 +0200 Organization: Hebrew University Lines: 28 Message-ID: <6bk12q$dvf$1@news.huji.ac.il> References: <6b9cmu$d43@mserv1.dl.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: marder.agri.huji.ac.il Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-7" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Pentcho Valev wrote in message = +ADw-6b9cmu+ACQ-d43+AEA-mserv1.dl.ac.uk+AD4-... ... +AD4- +AD4-1. If the dielectric constant varies ALONG the membrane and if = Donnan +AD4-transmembrane potential difference is established, the combination = of the +AD4-following two universally accepted facts: a) that the potential is +AD4-uniform on each side of the membrane b) that the transmembrane = potential +AD4-difference is equal to the ratio of the surface charge density and = the +AD4-capacitance - leads inevitably to the incredible result that, even = at +AD4-(Donnan) equilibrium, there are local lateral and, accordingly, +AD4-transmembrane fluxes of some ion, e.g. H. +AD4- ... Pentcho, this is really not so mysterious. There are lateral movements = of ions until electroCHEMICAL equilibrium is reached. Once this happens, = there will be no more net ion fluxes. I see no problem with membrane = patches attracting concentrations of particular ions - in fact I expect = that this is documented in the literature. .