From owner-biophys@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Sun Sep 9 02:39:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 050AF17B12 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 02:39:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD0D417AFB; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 02:39:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (niobium [193.62.192.41]) by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEB0217AD8; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 02:39:34 +0100 (BST) Received: (from news@localhost) by niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.8.8) id CAA02845; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 02:33:12 +0100 (BST) X-Authentication-Warning: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk: news set sender to using -f From: mfireland@yahoo.com (Matthew Ireland) X-Newsgroups: bionet.biophysics,bionet.neuroscience Subject: Re: Perforated Patch Problem Date: 8 Sep 2001 18:33:09 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com To: biophys@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk.neur-sci@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Sender: owner-biophys@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dominic-Luc Webb molmed wrote in message news:... > On 3 Sep 2001, Matthew Ireland wrote: > > > Dear Colleagues > > > > Currently I am using perforated patch on neurons within the CNS. > > Recently, I have been experinceing a problem when I try to perforate a > > neuron, instead of a full perforation as you would expect, it only > > results in a partial perforation. > > > Not sure what a partial perforation is. Are you in fact getting > a proper seal? I suppose the ampB could go bad, or it could > leak out of the pipette and permeabilize the cells as well. > Are you back filling a small volume of the ampB into a large > volume of ampB-free buffer in the pipette? > > > Cheers, I am backfilling the electrode with an AmpB free solution and I'm forming normal seals. What I'm seeing, is instead of a normal perforation (ie. within 5 mins, around 15pF & 10mOhms), I see a small change in the whole cell capacitance (4pF) that remains that way for the duration of the experiment. I don’t think the AmpB is leaking out of the electrode. With thanks Matthew .