From owner-biophys@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Wed May 9 12:15:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id B551517A5F for ; Wed, 9 May 2001 12:15:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57A7E17B74 for ; Wed, 9 May 2001 12:15:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (niobium [193.62.192.41]) by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E84917B62 for ; Wed, 9 May 2001 12:15:00 +0100 (BST) Received: (from news@localhost) by niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.8.8) id MAA22572 for biophys-list@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk; Wed, 9 May 2001 12:14:59 +0100 (BST) X-Authentication-Warning: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk: news set sender to using -f Message-ID: <3AF9285E.4462457@mediaone.net> From: George Hammond X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsgroups: talk.atheism,alt.talk.creationis,sci.physics,bionet.biophysics,alt.sci.physics,harvard.course.physics11a.q-a,sci.bio.paleontology,alt.atheism Subject: Re: The "Science" of John Boatwright X-Priority: 1 (Highest) References: <3ae8b06a.109420557@nntp.we.mediaone.net> <3AEDEF7F.7E7B31E5@mediaone.net> <3AEE46F7.12E64920@mediaone.net> <1103_988728794@GANDALF> <3AEEF3A9.F1C8A782@mediaone.net> <1104_988764931@GANDALF> <3AF84FCE.FE628ED@mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 206 Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 11:13:26 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net Organization: Road Runner To: biophys@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Sender: owner-biophys@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The Ghost In The Machine wrote: > > In talk.atheism, George Hammond > > wrote > on Tue, 08 May 2001 19:49:34 GMT > <3AF84FCE.FE628ED@mediaone.net>: > >The Ghost In The Machine wrote: > > > >> >> > Its the simple properties of eigenvectors. EV's are orthogonal > >> >> > ("right angles") and by simple scaling could be made to be > >> >> > "equal" in magnitude hence "cubic" in however many dimensions. > >> >> > >> >> [Hammond] > >> >> Wrong again amateur guesser. You'll really have to guess harder. > >> >> the 13-symmetry axes of a cube are NOT ORTHOGONAL for chrissakes. > >> >> neither are the 13-eigenvectors of Psychometry.... they are rotated > >> >> to "oblique simple structure" using maximum hyperplane count. > >> >> You don't know what you're talking about... PCA, Rotation, > >> >> Simple Structure, Hyperplane Count, etc. etc. are mathematical > >> >> physics subjects light years beyond your grade school education. > >> >> get outta here. > >> > > >> >If this is supposed to convince people that you have a serious > >> >scientific argument then I have to disappoint you. Such behavior > >> >of ad hominem is not very scientific nor very Christian. IMHO of course. > >> > >> However, his argument -- or maybe it's Dave's -- stripped of > >> ad homs, with respect to cube symmetry is in fact correct; > >> one set, for example, goes through two face centers (3); another > >> through two edge centers (6); still another through opposite > >> corners (4). Take any two of different classes and you'll > >> find that they don't meet at right angles. (Two of the same class, > >> at least for faces and edges, will meet at right angles, if one gives > >> it thought. The corners, I'm not sure about.) [Hammond] Only the 3-normals are at right angles. The body diagonals are at 109-degrees. The face diagonals at 45. > >> > >> How that observation proves (or disproves!) God, or relates > >> to "the 13-eigenvectors of Psychometry", I've no idea. First > >> I've heard of Psychometry, in fact. [Hammond] Turns out the 3 "normals" are not exactly normal, just like Einstein showed that the corner of your living room is not exactly "3-normals"... because of the curvature of space caused by gravity. In psychometric space that curvature of the normals of the cube is easily measurable by Factor Analysis, and turns out to be "God" instead of Gravity. Thus a direct 2-decimal point measurement of God his self. > >> > > > >[Hammond] > >Why don't you buy a CB radio? Whatru doing on a physics > >discussion group? > > This thread is crossposted to a number of groups, among them > talk.atheism and sci.physics. > > I happen to frequent talk.atheism, when I have time. I rarely visit > sci.physics unless drawn in by an interesting cross-posted thread. :-) > > I can fix that, of course, at least for this subthread. Note followups. [Hammond] I generally delete "follow ups" since do gooders plug them in all the time to try and "steer" conversations. BTW, here's something new for your consideration: 9 MAY 2001 FROM: GEORGE HAMMOND, M.S. Physics email: ghammond@mediaone.net website: http://people.ne.mediaone.net/ghammond/index.html TO: Scientists in the Third-World, including particularly Moslem, Hindu, and Buddhist scientists. SUBJECT: A recent report of the discovery of a hard science proof of God from the fields of Psychometry and Relativity and it's probable impact on social conditions in the Third World. Dear Third World scientist: First, I apologize for the euphemism "Third World", but I find it an expedient to denote the vast non-Western, non-Christian, non-Industrialized sector of the human population which labors under a considerably lower standard of living than the elite West. As you know, the standard of living in the Third World is perhaps the major failure of modern civilization, and is glaring testimony to the true nature of Mankind's Global political history in general. As scientists, we know that the problem is a political one, and a social one, and that pure science has yet to barely put a dent in the problem. Even today, 150 years after the Industrial Revolution, the U.N. reports that 50% of the World goes to bed hungry every day. It is clear that if Science is going to do anything about this, Science is going to have to deliver a miracle, not just another invention. And that is what I am here to talk to you about.. the discovery of a scientific miracle. It is clear, that the problem of Third World poverty is caused by international confrontation, racial divide, Capitalist exploitation, Communist corruption, and finally class and political warfare itself. Where in such a world can science have any impact? So far, science's crowning achievement, the Atomic Bomb, has not even been able to alleviate the misery and torture of endless centuries of world poverty. Miraculously, science is about to deliver something a thousand times more powerful than an Atomic Bomb, and this time, the liberation of mankind from poverty and exploitation should be achieved. As we all know, it has been the historic hope of Man that Religion would someday conquer the world and bring about universal peace and prosperity. So far, this dream has not materialized. Religion does not have sufficient social power to overcome secular interests. The major problem has been that Religion is only an unproven theory... there is no proof of Religion, and therefore, when push comes to shove, the followers of Religion cannot be counted on to stand united and resist the forces of military tyranny and financial exploitation. So here, here is where science is about to make a historic contribution. A scientific proof of God has been discovered. Yes, after centuries of searching for such a thing, an actual hard science, bona fide, scientific proof that God actually exists, has been found. The final proof of Religion. Naturally, when such a thing becomes generally known, it will have a historical effect on the power and political strength of organized Religion worldwide. In fact, the discovery of the scientific explanation and proof of God will de facto ecumenically unite all of the worlds major religions into a Global Religion in which Hindu, Moslem, Jews, Christians, and Buddhists will be but mere denominations of one scientifically proven Religion. Salvation by the Church will no longer be the forlorn last resort of the desperate, it will become the real ultimate protector of Mankind. As you know, history has demonstrated that it is the poorest souls who benefit the most from a Religious miracle, and this one is no exception. This discovery in and of itself is forecast to have the single highest impact on the Standard of Living in the Third World since the discovery of Rice. It will unify and empower the Third World population as no other population group on Earth. I urge you as a Third world scientist not to ignore this matter. If you can't do anything to help evaluate this discovery, please forward this message to anyone you know who can. In the meantime, this discovery awaits the evaluation of the scientific community. I have spent a year now attempting to get the attention of Christian scientific and religious authorities without success. It seems that they are less interested in a miracle that will save the downtrodden and the poor than perhaps others. That is why I am now appealing to non-Christian scientists for help in evaluating and confirming this scientific discovery. The Third World it turns out are to be the major benefactors of this discovery, just like the poor of the Western World were the major benefactors of Christianity. I am hopeful that you will be able to spare a few minutes to read the one page FAQ on this discovery located at: http://people.ne.mediaone.net/ghammond/georgefile.html and determine if you are in possession of any scientific expertise that may be of help in confirming this discovery. Note that no research or experimentation is necessary.. it is simply a matter of finding a scientist or scientists who have the necessary interdisciplinary expertise to render a judgment on the matter. Finally, be sure to visit my main website at: http://people.ne.mediaone.net/ghammond/index.html for further documentation of the details of this discovery and copies of my published papers. God speed, may Allah be with you, and Shalom, George Hammond, M.S., Physics/Psychology/Divinity -- BE SURE TO VISIT MY WEBSITE, BELOW: ----------------------------------------------------------- George Hammond, M.S. Physics Email: ghammond@mediaone.net Website: http://people.ne.mediaone.net/ghammond/index.html ----------------------------------------------------------- .