From owner-biophys@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Wed May 9 07:36:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id B762B17A96 for ; Wed, 9 May 2001 07:36:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5494D17B26 for ; Wed, 9 May 2001 07:36:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (niobium [193.62.192.41]) by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 780F517A96 for ; Wed, 9 May 2001 07:36:18 +0100 (BST) Received: (from news@localhost) by niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.8.8) id HAA18520 for biophys-list@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk; Wed, 9 May 2001 07:36:18 +0100 (BST) X-Authentication-Warning: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk: news set sender to using -f From: ewill@lexideb.athghost7038suus.net (The Ghost In The Machine) X-Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.talk.creationism,sci.physics,alt.sci.physics,bionet.biophysics,harvard.course.physics11a.q-a,sci.bio.paleontology,talk.atheism Subject: Re: The "Science" of John Boatwright References: <3ae8b06a.109420557@nntp.we.mediaone.net> <3AEDEF7F.7E7B31E5@mediaone.net> <3AEE46F7.12E64920@mediaone.net> <1103_988728794@GANDALF> <3AEEF3A9.F1C8A782@mediaone.net> <1104_988764931@GANDALF> <3AF84FCE.FE628ED@mediaone.net> Followup-To: talk.atheism Message-ID: User-Agent: slrn/0.9.6.2 (Linux) Lines: 57 Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 06:36:13 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net Organization: Verio To: biophys@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Sender: owner-biophys@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Precedence: bulk In talk.atheism, George Hammond wrote on Tue, 08 May 2001 19:49:34 GMT <3AF84FCE.FE628ED@mediaone.net>: >The Ghost In The Machine wrote: > >> >> > Its the simple properties of eigenvectors. EV's are orthogonal >> >> > ("right angles") and by simple scaling could be made to be >> >> > "equal" in magnitude hence "cubic" in however many dimensions. >> >> >> >> [Hammond] >> >> Wrong again amateur guesser. You'll really have to guess harder. >> >> the 13-symmetry axes of a cube are NOT ORTHOGONAL for chrissakes. >> >> neither are the 13-eigenvectors of Psychometry.... they are rotated >> >> to "oblique simple structure" using maximum hyperplane count. >> >> You don't know what you're talking about... PCA, Rotation, >> >> Simple Structure, Hyperplane Count, etc. etc. are mathematical >> >> physics subjects light years beyond your grade school education. >> >> get outta here. >> > >> >If this is supposed to convince people that you have a serious >> >scientific argument then I have to disappoint you. Such behavior >> >of ad hominem is not very scientific nor very Christian. IMHO of course. >> >> However, his argument -- or maybe it's Dave's -- stripped of >> ad homs, with respect to cube symmetry is in fact correct; >> one set, for example, goes through two face centers (3); another >> through two edge centers (6); still another through opposite >> corners (4). Take any two of different classes and you'll >> find that they don't meet at right angles. (Two of the same class, >> at least for faces and edges, will meet at right angles, if one gives >> it thought. The corners, I'm not sure about.) >> >> How that observation proves (or disproves!) God, or relates >> to "the 13-eigenvectors of Psychometry", I've no idea. First >> I've heard of Psychometry, in fact. >> > >[Hammond] >Why don't you buy a CB radio? Whatru doing on a physics >discussion group? This thread is crossposted to a number of groups, among them talk.atheism and sci.physics. I happen to frequent talk.atheism, when I have time. I rarely visit sci.physics unless drawn in by an interesting cross-posted thread. :-) I can fix that, of course, at least for this subthread. Note followups. [.sigsnip] -- ewill@aimnet.com -- insert random misquote here EAC code #191 8d:11h:59m actually running Linux. We are all naked underneath our clothes. .