From owner-celegans@net.bio.net Sun Sep 08 23:00:00 1996 Path: biosci!faseb.org!cpk-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!bcm.tmc.edu!news.tamu.edu!news.utdallas.edu!news.swmed.edu!!omega.uta.edu!not-for-mail From: phil@omega.uta.edu (Patrick Phillips) Newsgroups: bionet.celegans Subject: Re: M9 precipitate Date: 9 Sep 1996 14:02:25 GMT Organization: University of Texas Arlington Lines: 26 Distribution: world Message-ID: <51181h$lnd@news.uta.edu> References: <9609081155.ZM20201@eatworms.swmed.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: omega.uta.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] I had this problem for several years, but was too embarrassed to ask about it since I figured all the "in" worm people would know what was wrong (sounds like the makings of a good TV commercial). Anyway, the culprit seems to be the magnesium sulfate solution. It must react with another salt when hot (I never figured out which one). This is presumably why you need to add the salts after autoclaving in NGM too. We have therefore slightly modified the book recipe by adding the MgSO4 after autoclaving. Works great now. It is a bit of a pain since we aliquot to 50ml bottles before autoclaving. (Thanks to Phil Anderson's old recipe cards for helping me figure this one out). On a related note, what exactly is the history of these solutions? I believe that M9 is originally from bacterial culture (some recipes I've seen call for glucose, for instance). Was M9 ever optimized for worms, or just taken over from the microbiology literature? The reason I ask is that it seems very salty (judged by taste), and it is not clear that it is isotonic with the worms (never tasted the worms :-). The worms don't always seem happy after long periods in M9 (say longer than an hour). Of course many people just use S-basal instead. Is the choice between these two all just individual preference and history? --------------------------------------------------------------------- Patrick C. Phillips pphillips@uta.edu Biology Department, Box 19498 http://www.uta.edu/biology/phillips University of Texas at Arlington Tel. (817) 272-2409 Arlington, TX 76019 USA FAX (817) 272-2855 Genes in theory, Worms in practice. .