From owner-biophysics@net.bio.net Sun Dec 13 22:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!pravda.ucr.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.231.236.10!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!207.155.183.80.MISMATCH!global-news-master From: kkollins@pop3.concentric.net Newsgroups: alt.journalism.freelance,alt.journalism.newspapers,alt.sci.physics.new-theories,bionet.biology.cardiovascular,bionet.biophysics,bionet.info-theory,bionet.neuroscience Subject: Re: OSMOSIS? CAPILLARY ACTION? ROOT PRESSURE? Date: 13 Dec 1998 17:25:08 PST Organization: sufficient Lines: 54 Message-ID: <3674686A.E6E414EF@pop3.concentric.net> References: <913539439.21414.0.nnrp-11.d4e44203@news.demon.co.uk> <913570043.11659.0.nnrp-06.d4e44203@news.demon.co.uk> <751g87$e41$1@news.tamu.edu> Reply-To: kkollins@concentric.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ts002d09.spr-ma.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) Xref: biosci bionet.biology.cardiovascular:2849 bionet.biophysics:4644 bionet.info-theory:6721 bionet.neuroscience:26511 Walter Eric Johnson wrote: > > Andrew K Fletcher (andrew.k.fletcher@naturesway.demon.co.uk) wrote: > : Its mighty quiet out there? is this the calm before the storm or has science > : already conceded? > : > : Surely someone out there must have something to say on this subject? > > Are you really suggesting that fingernails and toenails are > just minerals which "settled to the bottom"? I'd not gotten such out of my reading of what Andrew's posted, but if that's where he's going, I can offer the following stuff as food-for-thought... If one views evolutionary dynamics from the perspective of what's described by 2nd Thermo (wdb2t), then a pretty-much air-tight case can be made in favour of a "suggesti[on] that fingernails and toenails are just minerals which 'settled to the bottom'". How's it so? Take the view that what Life Does is climb the wdb2d gradient, which is an =Excellent= thing to do be-cause 100% of the available Physical evidence "says" that, no matter where one "looks", the directionality inherent in the wdb2t gradient points =Exactly=, and =Deterministically= to increased energy availability (such stands Proven, so please don't "buzz" me with respect to such). So, in terms of evolutionary dynamics, it's Perfectly-Acceptable to explore an Hypothesis that "suggest[s] that fingernails and toenails are just minerals which 'settled to the bottom'". In the view of such an Hypothesis, "fingernails and toenails" are "just" what happens when the engineering-plan for an organism becomes Optimised with respect to that organism's climbing the wdb2t gradient... get it? ...saying "all features being Optimised" is, with respect to "fingernails and toenails", exactly the same as saying "that fingernails and toenails are just minerals which 'settled to the bottom'" :-) The "hard" part is Seeing that all of such is in Exact-Accord with wdb2t's =Exact Determinism=. But that "difficulty" is only Illusory, resulting from the fact that wdb2t is merely-Unfamiliar :-) [to Andrew: Although I gave your long post the othe night =the most= "time" I gave anything that night, I read it only Incompletely. If this "fingernails and toenails" thing is Important", please respond. I See that it's as above. I've doen =All= of Evolutionary Theory, and Genetics, in the Same way... there's =Nothing= that can stand against such. The view of Darwin is Superceded.] K. P. Collins .