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1129118902 07:08:22 * RangerAway loves it when people report build problems of other packages that mine depends on
1129118919 07:08:39< RangerAway> despite the big error message that says to contact <someone-who-is-not-me> right in the stuff they paste to me
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1129125539 08:58:59< pogma> bbraun!
1129125626 09:00:26< bbraun> pogma!
1129125643 09:00:43 * RangerRick hasn't heard from dotster yet  :(
1129125647 09:00:47< RangerRick> think I'd better call them back
1129125648 09:00:48< bbraun> hey, so I noticed sf sometimes denies cvs connections for the fink rsync update script
1129125661 09:01:01< bbraun> sourceforge cvs + ssh that is
1129125707 09:01:47< bbraun> not that anyone can do anything about it, just an FYI
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1129125789 09:03:09< pogma> RangerRick: did dmacks give you dmalloc's home number?
1129125818 09:03:38< RangerRick> no
1129125845 09:04:05< pogma> I talked to his mum last night, but he wasn't home when I tried the # she gave me
1129125884 09:04:44< RangerRick> well I already sent in the stuff to take over control of the domain  :)
1129125892 09:04:52< pogma> cool
1129125917 09:05:17< bbraun> sweet
1129125953 09:05:53< pogma> could've done it a little earlier though :-P
1129125992 09:06:32< RangerRick> yeah
1129126011 09:06:51< RangerRick> thought dmalloc was, I hadn't been paying too close of attention to the conversations about it, it just seemed like others were on it  :)
1129126032 09:07:12< RangerRick> er, dmacks
1129126035 09:07:15< RangerRick> :)
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1129128126 09:42:06< michael1976> .
1129128179 09:42:59< RangerRick> !
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1129128248 09:44:08< RangerRick> hah
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1129128250 09:44:10< RangerRick> I win!
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1129129265 10:01:05< akh> @
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1129129501 10:05:01< rand> morning all
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1129129618 10:06:58< rand> is there any reason when i do a fink selfupdate that /sw/bin/fink would be deleted and not replaced?
1129129625 10:07:05< rand> !lispaste
1129129626 10:07:06< Melian> it has been said that lispaste is lisppaste, silly.
1129129636 10:07:16< rand> !lisppaste
1129129637 10:07:17< Melian> You can use lisppaste to paste errors at http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink , instead of flooding the channel.
1129129687 10:08:07< lisppaste> rand pasted "package failed" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/12476
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1129130102 10:15:02< asari> good mignight, all
1129130110 10:15:10< rand> night asari
1129130119 10:15:19< asari> at last we have a IntelMac!
1129130123 10:15:23< asari> rand: hi
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1129130192 10:16:32< akh> rand: looks like it didn't get replaced because the failure was in the unpacking from the .deb file.
1129130198 10:16:38< rand> yeah
1129130210 10:16:50< rand> anyway to upack the deb file to get fink back?
1129130276 10:17:56< akh> I'd say to install a later one via apt-get.
1129130304 10:18:24< akh> 0.23.8-11 is available for 10.3.
1129130325 10:18:45< akh> Once you've got that you can update further.
1129130413 10:20:13< akh> (maybe) 
1129130462 10:21:02 * akh isn't exactly sure why the postinstall would have failed.
1129130462 10:21:02< rand> lots of errors, should i try the apt-get -f install fink?
1129130471 10:21:11< rand> it seems strange that it did
1129130515 10:21:55< akh> rand: You could try -f install, I suppose.  It's kind of overzealous in what it wants to remove.
1129130577 10:22:57< lisppaste> rand pasted "apt-get failure" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/12477
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1129130663 10:24:23< akh> You shouldn't need storable-pm on 10.3, I believe.
1129130718 10:25:18< akh> Go ahead and 'apt-get remove' that
1129130734 10:25:34< rand> remove storable-pm?
1129130769 10:26:09< akh> sure--it's provided by the built-in Perl for Panther and later.
1129130904 10:28:24< dmacks> Would be interesting to see if postinstall.pl is missing from the compiled fink .deb...check dpkg -c /sw/fink/dists/unstable/main/binary-darwin-powerpc/base/fink_0.24.10-11_darwin-powerpc.deb
1129130916 10:28:36< lisppaste> rand pasted "error" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/12478
1129130963 10:29:23< dmacks> RangerRick: dmalloc's contact info from dns and from pogma is in the file I sent you called "dmalloc-info"
1129131013 10:30:13< rand> no feedback from dpkg -c /sw/fink/dists/unstable/main/binary-darwin-powerpc/base/fink_0.24.10-11_darwin-powerpc.deb
1129131036 10:30:36< dmacks> ????!!
1129131037 10:30:37< rand> isn't .24 for 10.4?
1129131044 10:30:44< rand> this is 10.3
1129131064 10:31:04< dmacks> Nope, you're thinking -21 (for 10.4) vs -11 (for 10.3)
1129131065 10:31:05 * rudy vomits on fink
1129131072 10:31:12< akh> rand: It's for both.  Try "stable" instead of "unstable".
1129131088 10:31:28< akh> Same version for both.
1129131100 10:31:40< dmacks> But regardless, I just cut'n'pasted that filename from what your own fink said it was using (lisppaste 12476)
1129131103 10:31:43< rand> dpkg -c /sw/fink/dists/stable/main/binary-darwin-powerpc/base/fink_0.24.10-11_darwin-powerpc.deb
1129131106 10:31:46< rand> dpkg-deb: failed to read archive `/sw/fink/dists/stable/main/binary-darwin-powerpc/base/fink_0.24.10-11_darwin-powerpc.deb': No such file or directory
1129131153 10:32:33< dmacks> That could be a problem, yup yup
1129131237 10:33:57< dmacks> Right...you built the "unstable" pkg, so it wouldn't exist at all in /stable. But why it's empty in /unstable....?
1129131294 10:34:54< rand> i tried a selfupdate 
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1129131296 10:34:56< rand> and it failed
1129131310 10:35:10< rand> http://paste.lisp.org/display/12476
1129131339 10:35:39< dmacks> What other fink_*.deb do you have in /sw/fink/debs?
1129131370 10:36:10< dmacks> Try to 'dpkg -i' one of them (after 'dpkg -c'ing it to make sure there's something in it!)
1129131380 10:36:20< dmacks> bbl
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1129131395 10:36:35< spiral> hi
1129131584 10:39:44< lisppaste> rand pasted "nothing in .deb's" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/12479
1129131584 10:39:44< lisppaste> rand pasted "nothing in .deb's" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/12480
1129131594 10:39:54< rand> doh, sorry, huge lag there
1129131636 10:40:36< akh> Try reverting to 0.22.2-1
1129131664 10:41:04< rand> reverting how?  clean install?
1129131667 10:41:07< rand> dpkg-deb: failed to read archive `/sw/fink/debs/fink_0.22.10-11_darwin-powerpc.deb': No such file or directory
1129131744 10:42:24< rand> back in a bit
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1129135218 11:40:18< yuppienet> hello... can anyone help me install qt3? I am having some trouble
1129135271 11:41:11< akh> yuppienet: How so?
1129135307 11:41:47< yuppienet> when doing the final linking I get a lot of undefined symbols and libtool exits
1129135328 11:42:08< yuppienet> undefined symbols on libqt-mt
1129135349 11:42:29< akh> lisppaste: URL?]
1129135349 11:42:29< lisppaste> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink and enter your paste.
1129135368 11:42:48< akh> yuppienet: Paste your output up there.
1129135406 11:43:26< akh> (at least some of it, anyway)
1129135420 11:43:40< yuppienet> give me a minute... I am reproducing the error.. I seem to have lost the iTerm with the error.. :(
1129135429 11:43:49< akh> ah
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1129135651 11:47:31 * dmacks_away looks forward to the -l flag in fink-0.25
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1129135709 11:48:29< akh> ah, yeah.
1129135776 11:49:36< akh> Oh, oh.  Just thought of something.  yuppienet didn't necessarily have to redo the build.
1129135797 11:49:57< akh> qt3 is one of those wacko-elitist packages. ;-)
1129135832 11:50:32< akh> (probably too late now)
1129135853 11:50:53< yuppienet> yes.. but tell me how anyway
1129135941 11:52:21< akh> Check in your /tmp directory for a directory whose name involves qt3.
1129135960 11:52:40< akh> I believe there usually are four files that get written there.
1129136087 11:54:47< akh> (you can do this while you rebuild, too)
1129136114 11:55:14< yuppienet> there is nothing on /tmp.. nothing either on /sw/fink.tmp... however the build process is using /sw/src/fink.build/qt-x11-free-3.3.4
1129136153 11:55:53< akh> Hmmm...I thought RangerRick had qt3 set up to log its build output.
1129136164 11:56:04 * akh checks
1129136190 11:56:30< akh> (by which time RangerRick will return from lunch to prove me wrong)
1129136270 11:57:50< akh> might be under /tmp/501 or something...
1129136289 11:58:09< akh> (waiting for the source tarball to finish here)
1129136310 11:58:30< yuppienet> there is a /tmp/501... but its empty right now
1129136314 11:58:34< akh> ah
1129136356 11:59:16 * akh phears the double-logging from "fink -l install bundle-kde"
1129136388 11:59:48< yuppienet> whats that?
1129136404 12:00:04< akh> -l will be "turn on logging"
1129136413 12:00:13< akh> (not yet available)
1129136432 12:00:32< akh> and all of the KDE packages definitely log their build output right now.
1129136447 12:00:47< yuppienet> mmm ok
1129136469 12:01:09< akh> But the two methods aren't identical so the logs will be duplicated.
1129136560 12:02:40< cirdan> yo
1129136576 12:02:56< akh> Hmm...it must just be KDE components that get logged right now.  I'm kind of surprised by that, but oh, well...
1129136598 12:03:18< cirdan> akh: it's RR;s packages
1129136619 12:03:39< akh> cirdan: Right--but qt3 doesn't do it, afaict
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1129136699 12:04:59< akh> That's why I was suprised.
1129136702 12:05:02< akh> surprised
1129136819 12:06:59 * akh thinks that injects should use "-l" by default now.
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1129136848 12:07:28< akh> (i.e. you get a log during the build process for fink)
1129137046 12:10:46< akh> OMG:  my system isn't supported!  Whatever shall I do?
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1129137221 12:13:41< yuppienet> all right I have the ouput
1129137225 12:13:45< yuppienet> *output
1129137253 12:14:13< RangerRick> qt3's had relatively few build problems, I never got around to adding the log stuff to qt3
1129137282 12:14:42< RangerRick> yuppienet: paste the last bit to lisppaste
1129137300 12:15:00< yuppienet> wait... I am getting connection refused... give me a minute
1129137370 12:16:10< yuppienet> the server is down
1129137376 12:16:16< yuppienet> or something
1129137394 12:16:34< yuppienet> i'll paste it in a web page or something
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1129137565 12:19:25< cirdan> yuppienet: pastebin.com
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1129137675 12:21:15< yuppienet> http://pastebin.com/391389
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1129137925 12:25:25< akh> RangerRick: Ah.  Makes sense.
1129137966 12:26:06< yuppienet> what does?
1129138003 12:26:43< RangerRick> yup	whoa
1129138014 12:26:54< akh> yuppienet:  That he hadn't set it up to log as of yet.  
1129138050 12:27:30< RangerRick> my only guess [Bmy only guess Iis there's something incomplete about your X11 install
1129138064 12:27:44< RangerRick> gah!
1129138079 12:27:59< RangerRick> this stupid terminal lag is driving me nuts
1129138084 12:28:04< RangerRick> anyways, my
1129138096 12:28:16< yuppienet> what should I do?
1129138099 12:28:19< RangerRick> what x11 are you using yuppie	?
1129138155 12:29:15< RangerRick> yuppienet: 'fink list x11 xfree xorg'
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1129138176 12:29:36< yuppienet> xfree86-4.3.99.16-2
1129138221 12:30:21< akh> That would explain it.
1129138230 12:30:30< RangerRick> maybe
1129138247 12:30:47< akh> It's certainly something to look at. 
1129138251 12:30:51< akh> :-)
1129138266 12:31:06< yuppienet> whats up with that x11 version?
1129138270 12:31:10< akh> Age.
1129138276 12:31:16< RangerRick> but yeah, best bet is to update to the latest xfree86, , or xorg
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1129138312 12:31:52< yuppienet> fink list xorg gave me no results
1129138323 12:32:03< akh> You're on 10.4?
1129138346 12:32:26< akh> Ah--wait, doesn't matter.
1129138359 12:32:39< akh> It's in the unstable tree on both 10.3 and 10.4
1129138394 12:33:14< yuppienet> that i dont know because I am not a mac user... I am installing this as a favor because a friend thought that I would know about this
1129138443 12:34:03< yuppienet> its 10.4
1129138472 12:34:32< RangerRick> best bet is to enable unstable, in which qt3 and other things aare much updated/cleaner
1129138478 12:34:38< RangerRick> !unstable
1129138479 12:34:39< Melian> from memory, unstable is http://www.finkproject.org/faq/usage-fink.php#unstable , or at http://www.finkproject.org/faq/usage-fink.php#bindist
1129138528 12:35:28< yuppienet> all right let me read about it
1129138707 12:38:27< yuppienet> well... i am selfupdating fink.. just one question: when installing xorg will xfree be removed or should I do it manually?
1129138727 12:38:47< RangerRick> you'll need to do it manually
1129138734 12:38:54< RangerRick> you could try leaving it first and see if qt3 works
1129138753 12:39:13< RangerRick> otherwise, 'sudo dpkg -r --force-all xfree86 xfree86-shlibs'
1129138754 12:39:14< yuppienet> ok I will do that first
1129138755 12:39:15< RangerRick> then install xorg
1129138766 12:39:26< RangerRick> then continue on
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1129139541 12:52:21< brady__> so, what is the status of fink? seems like its been a little more quiet than normal.
1129139605 12:53:25< RangerRick> brady__: what do you mean?
1129139617 12:53:37< das_> fink is dying
1129139619 12:53:39< das_> like AAPL
1129139743 12:55:43< brady__> well, i seem to have biased memories of more traffic around fink (irc, website, package updates, etc.). it seems like it is waning.
1129139790 12:56:30< brady__> das_, i would disagree that aapl is dying. but that is IMHO.
1129139854 12:57:34< akh> brady__: Maybe things are going so well that nobody's complaining.  ;-)
1129139894 12:58:14< brady__> akh, perhaps. admittedly, i am using 10.4-transitional, using xchat, latex, etc. every day
1129139899 12:58:19< brady__> :)
1129139953 12:59:13< akh> And some of the chatter has gone over to the wiki.
1129139965 12:59:25< akh> (so that ideas actually get recorded)
1129139981 12:59:41< brady__> i see.
1129140035 13:00:35< akh> I'd say this is just a seasonal lull.  There are some updates in the pipeline, e.g. openoffice.org.
1129140054 13:00:54< akh> That's a distro in itself.
1129140059 13:00:59< akh> ;-)
1129140060 13:01:00< brady__> indeed
1129140078 13:01:18 * akh -> dentist appointment
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1129140128 13:02:08< brady__> im very interested how the python issue will handled. i.e., pythonw, /sw/bin/python vs /usr/bin/python, etc.
1129140197 13:03:17< brady__> i suppose these are all growing pains among the various parties, like python, apple, fink, etc.
1129140469 13:07:49< asari> could anyone tell me about Fink on Intel?
1129140521 13:08:41< asari> I'm just trying "mv 10.4-transisional 10.4; FINK_NOTRANS=true ./bootstrap.sh"
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1129140795 13:13:15< RangerRick> asari: very few have tried it, afaik
1129140832 13:13:52< RangerRick> we'd certainly like bug-reports if you hit snacks  :)
1129140840 13:14:00< RangerRick> and snags
1129140842 13:14:02< RangerRick> haha
1129140847 13:14:07< asari> hm.. bootstrap itself succeeded, but it's long way to use
1129140860 13:14:20< asari> actually use.
1129140972 13:16:12 * RangerRick downloads itunes 6
1129141072 13:17:52< chris01> what???
1129141084 13:18:04< RangerRick> www.apple.com
1129141087 13:18:07< RangerRick> new imacs, video ipod
1129141093 13:18:13< RangerRick> vide/tv downloads on iTMS
1129141110 13:18:30< asari> wow! didn't know that
1129141117 13:18:37< chris01> wow
1129141152 13:19:12< chris01> here, the itunes web page is not yet updated... still shows part of itunes 5... ah no... no it is changed.
1129141158 13:19:18< chris01> It happened this minute.
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1129141378 13:22:58< TheSin> anyone know where to watch the stuff that is suppose to be announced today and when that is?
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1129141385 13:23:05< TheSin> been so busy I almost forgot about it
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1129141407 13:23:27< chris01> TheSin: www.apple.com
1129141410 13:23:30< chris01> ;)
1129141415 13:23:35< rand-away> new imacs
1129141417 13:23:37< TheSin> been there already
1129141438 13:23:58< rand-away> new ipods 
1129141448 13:24:08< rand-away> oo widescreen, movite time
1129141453 13:24:13< rand-away> er movie
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1129141510 13:25:10< TheSin> that it rand?
1129141535 13:25:35< rand-away> belive so
1129141543 13:25:43< rand-away> tho i've been checking inbetween work
1129141647 13:27:27< TheSin> so again no new PBs
1129141650 13:27:30< TheSin> sucky
1129141726 13:28:46< rand-away> aye
1129141739 13:28:59< TheSin> I was expecting soo much more :\
1129141746 13:29:06< TheSin> guess I should learn not to do that :D
1129141798 13:29:58< brady__> it would be nice to have new pb's. but then again, i really like me ibook g4 ...
1129141806 13:30:06< brady__> s/me/my/
1129141814 13:30:14< TheSin> I need more speed
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1129141825 13:30:25< TheSin> my 1.66 G4 isn't enough
1129141836 13:30:36< brady__> speed is not an issue for me.
1129141847 13:30:47< rand-away> you got a new one thesin
1129141849 13:30:49< rand-away> nice
1129141861 13:31:01< TheSin> I always get the new one :P
1129141867 13:31:07< TheSin> in my contract at work :D
1129141871 13:31:11< brady__> i dont do anything to tax it much, besides compiling. no video editing or anything like that.
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1129142052 13:34:12< brady__> will itunes6 become available through ``software update'' for os x?
1129142061 13:34:21< brady__> (it does not seem to be there now)
1129142191 13:36:31< rand-away> nice thesin
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1129142371 13:39:31< RangerRick> brady__: eventually, the direct download usually is available first
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1129143458 13:57:38< RangerRick> http://ranger.befunk.com/misc/iTunes6.torrent
1129143460 13:57:40< RangerRick> :)
1129143496 13:58:16< Mr|Dave> Does anyone have any suggestions if FAQ Q9.14: After updating to Tiger (OS 10.4), whenever I use a GTK app, I get errors involving _EVP_idea_cbc. ... doesn't help?
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1129143770 14:02:50< Mr|Dave> Someone has to be running some gtk apps on 10.4
1129143816 14:03:36< RangerRick> Mr|Dave: it will be fixed with 10.4.3, I believe
1129143831 14:03:51< RangerRick> the workaround is to uninstall gnome-vfs2-ssl and install gnome-vfs2 (I think)
1129143870 14:04:30 * dmacks thought the FALLBACK solution also worked, but the gnome-vfs2 switch should work as well.
1129143959 14:05:59< Mr|Dave> Well I tried putting it in my ~/.xinitrc
1129143961 14:06:01< Mr|Dave> that didn't work
1129143984 14:06:24< Mr|Dave> Then I tried just doing "env ..." on the command line (in a gnome-terminal)
1129143989 14:06:29< Mr|Dave> that didn't work either ;)
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1129144218 14:10:18< rand-away> itunes 6 with the video store, interesting
1129144260 14:11:00< dmacks> Mr|Dave: Weird:( What's  the exact command you're using (the env... one)?
1129144284 14:11:24 * dmacks assumes you're using bash not tcsh?
1129144318 14:11:58< rand-away> hehe, why are you hosting it rr ? :)
1129144325 14:12:05< rand-away> brb
1129144327 14:12:07< rand-away> restst
1129144331 14:12:11< rand-away> er restart
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1129144477 14:14:37< Mr|Dave> dmacks: it's env DYLD_FALLBACK_LIBRARY_PATH=: monodevelop
1129144486 14:14:46< Mr|Dave> (getting monodevelop after this to work i'm sure will be another issue)
1129144509 14:15:09< Mr|Dave> and yeah, using bash
1129144562 14:16:02< dmacks> All I know is mono* is a pain if "certain things aren't set _just_so_", but dunno what the critical things are:(
1129144569 14:16:09< Mr|Dave> i'm learning that!
1129144582 14:16:22< RangerRick> yeah
1129144595 14:16:35< RangerRick> I changed the monodevelop script to supposedly fix library patth suff
1129144598 14:16:38< dmacks> RangerRick's idea of swapping in gnome-vfs2 for gnome-vfs2-ssl is a good idea.
1129144605 14:16:45< RangerRick> it worked for me, and  now itdoesn't for others
1129144606 14:16:46< RangerRick> and I don't know why
1129144608 14:16:48< Mr|Dave> i'm trying that now
1129144620 14:17:00< Mr|Dave> i'm assuming this may take a while to build though
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1129144735 14:18:55< Mr|Dave> hmm.. if the script has been changed, maybe i should rebuild it?
1129144759 14:19:19< Mr|Dave> i'm running 0.7-25 right now (well, "running" isn't exactly the right word just yet)
1129144887 14:21:27< RangerRick> I mean the script is patched in the 0.7 package
1129144897 14:21:37< RangerRick> so you can try messing with /sw/bin/monodevelop in various ways  :)
1129145092 14:24:52< Mr|Dave> mostly now my "messing" involves looking sad at the screen and asking if it'd be nice enough to run it for me
1129145249 14:27:29< dmacks> akh: Getting selfupdate to not run while another fink is running is hard. So I just made it not try to swap in gettext-dev.
1129145292 14:28:12< akh> dmacks: /me is shocked by that idea.   :O 
1129145308 14:28:28< dmacks> heh:)
1129145372 14:29:32< dmacks> We kicked it around enough times in #fink, figured it was time to actually act on it...
1129145411 14:30:11< akh> Ah.  Makes sense.
1129145523 14:32:03< dmacks> ...now that I understand why we were doing it in the first place. Althuogh I think there are other solutions (thanks vasi!), this is quick and doesn't rely on new fink features (i.e., could be backported if necessary)
1129145678 14:34:38< akh> Nice.
1129145836 14:37:16 * akh updates xcircuit in the stable tree to the last 3.3.x version.
1129145942 14:39:02< akh> mmm...new upstream cvs package.  Lets see if _this_ one has to be patched for Darwin, too.
1129146340 14:45:40< dmacks> Yummy openssl097h released too...
1129146652 14:50:52< akh> I've got 098 on my Linux box.
1129146662 14:51:02< akh> So much for -unified. ;-)
1129146855 14:54:15< akh> Can I get a 10.4.2 user to verify that the builtin libz is 1.2.3 ?
1129146890 14:54:50< akh> (as I'm on 10.4.3 and can't get to my 10.4.2 box)
1129146975 14:56:15< msachs> akh: I see three versions of libz on my 10.4.2 partition, 1.1.3, 1.2.2, and 1.2.3.
1129147007 14:56:47< akh> OK--just wanted to make sure that 1.2.3 was available.
1129147010 14:56:50< akh> Thanks!
1129147029 14:57:09< msachs> np
1129147043 14:57:23< akh> cvs will roll its own zlib-1.2.3 if told to do so, but I figure go with the system when available.
1129147115 14:58:35< msachs> Makes sense.
1129147156 14:59:16< dmacks> (10.3 is 1.1.4)
1129147175 14:59:35< akh> dmacks:  Yeah--I've got 10.3 rolling its own.
1129147192 14:59:52< dmacks> cool
1129147225 15:00:25< akh> All it took to let me know was one run of the configure script. :-)
1129147237 15:00:37< dmacks> :)
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1129148227 15:17:07< akh> sometimes /me thinks that a trained monkey could act as a maintainer for some packages once the initial port has been made.
1129148227 15:17:07< akh> (there are, of course, many evil, nasty exceptions)
1129148248 15:17:28< dmacks> Most of gnome is pretty easy to keep up-to-date.
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1129148382 15:19:42< akh> Meaning the mainline stuff, right?
1129148418 15:20:18< akh> bummer--10.4 only has headers for zlib-1.2.2.
1129148425 15:20:25< dmacks> yeah. And many "just an app" packages too.
1129148457 15:20:57< akh> Ah.
1129148465 15:21:05< dmacks> Anyone remember what I have to do to get fonts to appear? /me getting things to render with them missing:(
1129148487 15:21:27< dmacks> (...in x11 apps)
1129148491 15:21:31< akh> sudo fc-cache
1129148687 15:24:47< dmacks> No change.
1129148763 15:26:03< dmacks> Things continue to appear correctly in xpdf but certain fonts are missing (still) in gpdf
1129148851 15:27:31< akh> hmmm
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1129149464 15:37:44 * dmacks begins to build poppler/evince...
1129149532 15:38:52< akh> Sounds yummy.
1129149602 15:40:02 * akh will watch for spaceships.  ;-)
1129149641 15:40:41< dmacks> My document readers...can read anything but themselves...
1129149654 15:40:54< akh> heh
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