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1129009189 00:39:49< dmacks> !seen htodd
1129009190 00:39:50< Melian> htodd <i=htodd@i8u.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #fink, 1h 12m 27s ago, saying: 'he broke shared-mime-info'.
1129009353 00:42:33< nnutter> dmacks do you know if Apple's X11-SDK conflicts with xorg+applex11tools in any way?
1129009437 00:43:57< dmacks> Apple X11SDK and x.org are completely incompatible...X11SDK is for using a full AppleX11 (not just fink's applex11tools) installtion; xorg has its own SDKish stuff.
1129009485 00:44:45< nnutter> OK, that is what I was suspecting
1129009509 00:45:09< nnutter> I removed both the X11 and X11SDK to install xorg
1129009562 00:46:02< dmacks> Right.
1129009809 00:50:09< dmacks> Melian: logs
1129009809 00:50:09< Melian> logs are at http://meme.b9.com/cview.html?channel=fink&date=today or http://fink.aquaflux.org (currently down), or http://hollowvoice.org/~ranger/irc_logs/, or gopher://newmanbe.homeunix.net/1/irclogs/freenode/fink
1129010657 01:04:17< nnutter> in darwinports there are things called variants that allow you to turn on or off functionality in a build, I am wondering if there is a way to install imagemagick with mpeg support
1129010698 01:04:58< dmacks> In fink there are things called variants too:) As with dports, the package needs to be written to ackowledge them...
1129010747 01:05:47< nnutter> how do you see what variants a package has?
1129010793 01:06:33< dmacks> Unlike dports, every variant is a stand-alone package. That way there's never a question about what options are enabled in it.
1129010839 01:07:19< dmacks> (well, stand-alone from the user's perspective, not from the package-maintainer's:)
1129010869 01:07:49< dmacks> So "imagemagick" has a -nox variant, but it appears as its own "imagemagic-nox" package.
1129010875 01:07:55< nnutter> ok
1129010901 01:08:21< dmacks> ('fink list foo' automatically searches for "foo" as a substring, not just exact match)
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1129011525 01:18:45< nnutter> thanks for all the help tonight dmacks 
1129011562 01:19:22< dmacks> If you look at /sw/fink/dists/unstable/main/finkinfo/graphics/imagemagick.info, you can see the Type line that declares the -nox variant, and then various shell bits using %type_*[-nox] macros to implement it.
1129011567 01:19:27< dmacks> You're welcome:)
1129011711 01:21:51< dmacks> (gimp2.info is an example with two independent variant flags)
1129011813 01:23:33 * dmacks hopes xdg-base didn't wedge too many systems:/
1129011967 01:26:07< nnutter> Is there anyway to trick fink, one program I am interested in wants to install g77 but I would prefer to keep it off in favor of gfortran, can I tell it g77 is installed and make it use gfortran instead?
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1129011987 01:26:27< dmacks> Nope.
1129012027 01:27:07< dmacks> O'course you can always remove g77 when you're done. Presumably whatever-it-is only needs g77 to compile, not at runtime?
1129012104 01:28:24< nnutter> probably
1129012117 01:28:37< dmacks> 'fink show-deps whatever-it-is' will tell what are build vs runtime deps.
1129012133 01:28:53< nnutter> oh yeah
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1129022965 04:29:25< raboofX> SDL_coreaudio (in the sdl 1.2.8-1 package, which is in unstable) fails to build. This is under Panther. Is that a known problem of sorts?
1129023001 04:30:01< JosephSpiros> no yes
1129023003 04:30:03< JosephSpiros> yes no
1129023116 04:31:56< raboofX> JosephSpiros: ?
1129023129 04:32:09< JosephSpiros> I concur
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1129033598 07:26:38< akh> "There are only three days left until the big crash."
1129033610 07:26:50< akh> Sounds like a trailer for a disaster movie.  ;-)
1129033698 07:28:18< newmanbe> Hehe.
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1129033707 07:28:27< dmalloc> Hello!
1129033713 07:28:33< dmalloc> I have come to save the day!
1129033724 07:28:44< dmalloc> But now I am sleepy. Goodbye!
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1129033755 07:29:15< akh> Hopefully nobody looks through the logs carelessly.
1129034931 07:48:51< cirdan> hah
1129035030 07:50:30< akh> Wouldn't want unfounded optimism. ;-)
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1129035423 07:57:03< cirdan> i love stuff in code like #define REMOTE_DDOS_ACCESS
1129035479 07:57:59< akh> heh
1129035510 07:58:30< cirdan> ok, night
1129035514 07:58:34< cirdan> finally getting to sleep
1129035607 08:00:07< akh> 'night
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1129039536 09:05:36< bmaret> hi folks
1129039607 09:06:47< bmaret> could somebody explain why one need to add the -lSystemStub library on Tiger ?
1129039648 09:07:28< pogma> you should not need to add it when using apple's compiler
1129039811 09:10:11< bmaret> pogma: when is it needed then ?
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1129039874 09:11:14< rand-irc> morning all
1129039879 09:11:19< pogma> bmaret: When you link directly using /usr/bin/libtool or /usr/bin/ld or when you use an older or non-apple compiler
1129039899 09:11:39< pogma> bmaret: and when you have long doubles in your code
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1129039931 09:12:11< bmaret> pogma: g95 + Apple gcc ?
1129039951 09:12:31< pogma> bmaret: probably need it there
1129039965 09:12:45< pogma> bmaret: unless g95 has been patched to add it
1129039981 09:13:01< bmaret> which is the case for fink g95 ?
1129040239 09:17:19< pogma> beats me
1129040357 09:19:17< bmaret> thanks pogma
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1129043550 10:12:30< dmacks> Yo RangerRick...what's the password for your #fink logs?
1129043587 10:13:07< RangerRick> dmacks: msg me a password and I'll give you an account  :)
1129043606 10:13:26< dmacks> Ooo, it's a Fancy System now, eh?
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1129043751 10:15:51< RangerRick> there were some people in some of my other logged channels that didn't like me logging things where they're googlable  :)
1129043751 10:15:51< dmacks> ah
1129044464 10:27:44< pogma> RangerRick: #opendarwin?
1129044505 10:28:25< pogma> btw, someone is doing something about mcostable's complaint on fink-core, right?
1129044523 10:28:43< RangerRick> pogma: no, #slackworks
1129045007 10:36:47< akh> pogma: which one?
1129045058 10:37:38< pogma> the finkmirrors domain is about to expire
1129045077 10:37:57< pogma> I think he sent it twice :)
1129045088 10:38:08< akh> So the immediate issue.
1129045194 10:39:54< pogma> So nobody's doing anything then :(
1129045201 10:40:01< RangerRick> I thought dmacks was
1129045215 10:40:15 * pogma looks hopefully at dmacks 
1129045220 10:40:20< RangerRick> cirdan had sent him some of the fink paperwork
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1129045863 10:51:03< dmacks> Did someone telephone him at his whois-listed number?
1129045885 10:51:25 * dmacks just got a 5-day give-up bounce for his whois email addy
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1129046162 10:56:02< pogma> dmacks: I phoned his work number
1129047857 11:24:17 * pogma wishes he could remember more german, it is embarrassing :/
1129047990 11:26:30< akh> Whomever invents a Star Trek-style Universal Translator will probably become a wealthy individual.
1129048040 11:27:20< dmacks> iBabelFish 2.0 "this one won't suck, no really"
1129048085 11:28:05< akh> hehe
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1129048180 11:29:40< spiral> 'hi
1129048274 11:31:14< akh> hi
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1129050651 12:10:51< RangerRick> cirdan: hm, you know, my address has changed, do we need to file a change with the state?
1129051903 12:31:43< six-> anyone here installed xmltv ?
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1129051944 12:32:24< aaron42> hi all
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1129051967 12:32:47< aaron42> what does it mean when apt-get says a package is "kept back"?
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1129052185 12:36:25< dmacks> aaron42: One meaning is that it tried to install something but couldn't download it. Is there anything before that?
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1129052678 12:44:38< rand> anyone seen this error before : fink list rsync
1129052679 12:44:39< rand> /usr/libexec/gcc/darwin/ppc/3.3/cc1plus is not executable!
1129052701 12:45:01< rand> nm
1129052701 12:45:01< rand> figured it out :)
1129052721 12:45:21< rand> thanks, i'll be around all week, try the food...
1129052737 12:45:37< akh> hehe
1129052997 12:49:57< rand> (install the dev tools tool)
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1129054200 13:10:00< aaron42> no, that was all it said
1129054224 13:10:24< aaron42> no packages upgraded/installed/removed, 1 kept back
1129054727 13:18:47< RangerRick> it can also mean that you've got version x of something installed, but x+1 requires something you can't get
1129054752 13:19:12< RangerRick> (like if the new version adds a dependency on something that is "virtual" like gcc2.95 or whatever)
1129054929 13:22:09< dmacks> How 'bout lisppasting the whole command and error message so we can see what you're doing.
1129054932 13:22:12< dmacks> !lisppaste
1129054933 13:22:13< Melian> You can use lisppaste to paste errors at http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink , instead of flooding the channel.
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1129055402 13:30:02< lisppaste> aaron42 pasted "kept back" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/12449
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1129055532 13:32:12< akh> Looks like a virtual package issue.
1129055687 13:34:47< aaron42> so, any ideas?
1129055702 13:35:02< akh> Ignore it.
1129055715 13:35:15< rand> do we have rdiff-backup in fink?
1129055726 13:35:26< rand> i can't seem to find it, even with unstable enabled
1129055731 13:35:31< akh> aaron42:  The message just says that apt-get won't update it.
1129055751 13:35:51< aaron42> why not?
1129055778 13:36:18< akh> Because it's not a real package.
1129055794 13:36:34< aaron42> should i uninstall it then?
1129055855 13:37:35< akh> If it's a virtual package you can't uninstall it.
1129055879 13:37:59< akh> (not through dpkg, anyway)
1129055890 13:38:10< aaron42> this isn't normal tho, i've never seen that message more than transiently before
1129055929 13:38:49< akh> This is most likely because there is a combination of a "real" gcc3.1 package and a virtual package of the same name which supplants it.
1129055933 13:38:53< aaron42> now, it's been up for more than a week
1129055957 13:39:17< akh> See if you can remove gcc3.1.
1129055975 13:39:35< akh> If you can you have the now-deprecated real package rather than the virtual.
1129056006 13:40:06< aaron42> dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove gcc3.1 which isn't installed.
1129056087 13:41:27< dmacks> So it's not installed and you can't install it and this state of affairs isn't breaking anything?
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1129056103 13:41:43< aaron42> i suppose, it's just bugging me because it makes no sense
1129056135 13:42:15< dmacks> Did you ever compile the gcc3.1 package? Do you ever compile anything locally or are you just a bindist kind of guy?
1129056160 13:42:40< aaron42> i compile plenty of stuff locally, but i use binaries when available to save time
1129056171 13:42:51< aaron42> i have no idea if i ever compiled gcc3.1
1129056303 13:45:03< dmacks> Do you have anything /sw/fink/debs/gcc3.1.*.deb ?
1129056358 13:45:58< aaron42> nothing gcc* at all
1129056391 13:46:31< dmacks> Did you install the XCode Legacy Tools from apple?
1129056555 13:49:15< aaron42> good question
1129056562 13:49:22< aaron42> i think so, but i'm not absolutely sure
1129056572 13:49:32< aaron42> obviously i installed the main toolset
1129056588 13:49:48< akh> They're a recent download.
1129056597 13:49:57< aaron42> ah
1129056603 13:50:03< aaron42> should I?
1129056612 13:50:12< dmacks> What does 'fink list gcc3.1' say (both version and installation flag)
1129056641 13:50:41< aaron42>  i   gcc3.1                     3.1-1                [virtual package representing the gcc 3.1 compiler]
1129056676 13:51:16< rand> ltr all, connection about to go off
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1129056828 13:53:48 * dmacks gotta run:(
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1129056975 13:56:15< akh> aaron42: I get the same thing on my box where I've got the Legacy Tools.  I've never installed the fink gcc3.1 "real" package there.
1129057007 13:56:47< akh> I'm pretty sure it's harmless.
1129057032 13:57:12< neilt> does the "C" stand for anything?
1129057045 13:57:25< neilt> sorry wrong group
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1129065620 16:20:20< newmanbe> !blame akh for confusing bbraun
1129065621 16:20:21 * Melian blames gecko2 for akh for confusing bbraun and all the evil in the world
1129065735 16:22:15< dmacks_away> Looks like there's something much more confused than bbraun there...
1129065751 16:22:31< gecko2> hehe
1129065822 16:23:42< newmanbe> lol
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1129066057 16:27:37< euthydemus> Does anyone recognize "AttributeError: add_template_option" from other PyGTK
1129066063 16:27:43< euthydemus> issues
1129066114 16:28:34< euthydemus> I am trying to build a pygtkglext issue and I can't seem to get around this one 
1129066118 16:28:38< newmanbe> No, not a soul.
1129066143 16:29:03< euthydemus> Thanks
1129066631 16:37:11< dmacks_away> euthydemus: What version of the "python23" package do you have installed?
1129066649 16:37:29< euthydemus> let me check
1129066660 16:37:40< dmacks_away> Also what OS X version are you using?
1129066698 16:38:18< euthydemus> python23-2.3.5-113 on Mac OS X 10.4.2
1129066801 16:40:01< euthydemus> Mayavi has been setting the precedent to stay with py23. Would I do better with py24?
1129066820 16:40:20< euthydemus> I will make it into a type_pkg and see
1129066834 16:40:34< dmacks_away> Does calling fink's python (/sw/bin/python2.3) explicitly instead of just running "python2.3" help? Does eliminating either the --prefix or the --root flag help?
1129066874 16:41:14< dmacks_away> (maybe you've mixing python installation configs) (sometimes setup.py doesn't know --root...especially common in some gnome pkgs)
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1129067101 16:45:01< dmacks_away> This is a package you're in the process of writing, I presume? /me doesn't see pygtkglext in pdb...
1129067108 16:45:08< euthydemus> Yes
1129067175 16:46:15< euthydemus> I am interested in a specialized python app and most of the dependecies are already in fink except this and opengl-py23 which I tested with Ben yesterday
1129067207 16:46:47< dmacks_away> *grumble* SF trackers website is too slow to use right now:(
1129067236 16:47:16< euthydemus> there is a lot of traffic
1129067401 16:50:01< newmanbe> dmacks_away: Just checkout web. :)
1129067472 16:51:12< dmacks_away> Does using the autoconf build method (./configure; make; make install) work any better than the pythonish setup.py route?
1129067520 16:52:00< dmacks_away> Several gnomeish py things are moving away from distutils
1129067885 16:58:05 * dmacks_away observes that pygtkglext uses the same broken py-compile, following the lead of the fink-combatible pygkt2 authors.
1129067915 16:58:35< dmacks_away> You should take a look at our pygtk2 package and patchfile.
1129068318 17:05:18< cirdan> hey
1129068379 17:06:19< cirdan> hi dmacks_not_away
1129068383 17:06:23< dmacks_away> :p
1129068385 17:06:25-!- dmacks_away is now known as dmacks
1129068390 17:06:30< cirdan> :-p~
1129068420 17:07:00< dmacks> dmacks_drinking_coffee_and_only_occasionally_glancing_at_irssi_window is too long for nickserv
1129068426 17:07:06< cirdan> heh
1129068429 17:07:09< cirdan> dmacks_*
1129068443 17:07:23< newmanbe> Do you approach this project with professionalism and dedication?
1129068447 17:07:27< newmanbe> s/you/we/
1129068483 17:08:03< newmanbe> Do the leaders show concern for me and care about my well-being?
1129068489 17:08:09< cirdan> !lart newmanbe 
1129068490 17:08:10 * Melian whips out a hot clue gun and makes sure that newmanbe is stuck to the floor
1129068498 17:08:18< cirdan> does that answer your questions?
1129068510 17:08:30< newmanbe> We don't care about you.
1129068511 17:08:31< dmacks> The beatings will continue until morale improves.
1129068547 17:09:07< newmanbe> D1.When I talk about the project, I usually say ‘we’ rather than ‘they’. A: Strongly agree. :)
1129068554 17:09:14< newmanbe> Anyone else taking that survey?
1129068714 17:11:54< dmacks> Maybe they are, we aren't:)
1129068805 17:13:25< newmanbe> Hehe.
1129068812 17:13:32< cirdan> !cluebat dmacks for caring about users
1129068812 17:13:32 * Melian beats dmacks for caring about users with a clue-by-four. *WHAM* get a clue! *WHAM* get a clue! *WHAM*
1129068818 17:13:38< cirdan> ;-)
1129068829 17:13:49< dmacks> Dammit, why did I teach her that?
1129068843 17:14:03< cirdan> did u?
1129068856 17:14:16< cirdan> !ubercluebat the clubat perp.
1129068856 17:14:16 * Melian *WHACKS* the clubat perp. with the almighty UBERCLUEBAT.  *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* ...
1129068861 17:14:21< dmacks> I taught her one of those, can't remember which.
1129068862 17:14:22< newmanbe> cirdan: Just word them as a question, don't use 'c' instead of 'see', 'u' instead of 'you', and put a question mark at the end of a question;  then it'll be easy for everyone to recognize it as such.
1129068883 17:14:43< cirdan> newmanbe it's faster
1129068895 17:14:55< cirdan> and my gaim auto expands those letters :-p
1129068903 17:15:03< cirdan> but irssi doesn't
1129068922 17:15:22< cirdan> !clue irssi
1129068923 17:15:23 * Melian fans out Vegas-style a stack of clues for irssi "Pick one, any one!  ...and dont show it to me."
1129068979 17:16:19< newmanbe> Heh, Gaim.
1129068999 17:16:39< cirdan> heh. newmanbe.
1129069094 17:18:14< newmanbe> !ubercluebat cirdan the HTTP lover
1129069094 17:18:14 * Melian *WHACKS* cirdan the HTTP lover with the almighty UBERCLUEBAT.  *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* ...
1129069182 17:19:42< cirdan> !lilosmite newmanbe 
1129069183 17:19:43 * Melian wallops newmanbe with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing.  It won't take long.
1129069199 17:19:59< newmanbe> I'm gonn'a tell lilo on you!
1129069227 17:20:27< cirdan> hah
1129069231 17:20:31< cirdan> what can he do :-p
1129069236 17:20:36< cirdan> !opp newmanbe 
1129069236 17:20:36 * Melian Mode change "+o newmanbe" on channel #fink by Melian
1129069248 17:20:48< newmanbe> He can kill you.
1129069251 17:20:51< dmacks> Maybe he'll use !mesmite
1129069253 17:20:53< newmanbe> Then k-line you.
1129069261 17:21:01< newmanbe> But then we'd lose Melian.
1129069265 17:21:05< cirdan> and when i connect from another server?
1129069275 17:21:15< newmanbe> He jupes your nick.
1129069276 17:21:16< cirdan> on a diff contentinant?
1129069293 17:21:33< cirdan> heh
1129069309 17:21:49< cirdan> i'll just be cirdan=:-p~
1129069316 17:21:56< cirdan> or better, lilo--
1129069318 17:21:58< cirdan> ;-)
1129069331 17:22:11< newmanbe> He will seek you out.
1129069335 17:22:15< cirdan> heh
1129069354 17:22:34< cirdan> i will unlease the FDDOS on freenode :-p
1129069361 17:22:41< cirdan> erp, unleash
1129069446 17:24:06< newmanbe> He will be ever vigelant.
1129069460 17:24:20< cirdan> !lilo--
1129069469 17:24:29< newmanbe> !lilo++
1129069472 17:24:32< cirdan> !newmanbe--
1129069473 17:24:33< newmanbe> !cirdan--
1129069485 17:24:45< newmanbe> Melian: karma for cirdan?
1129069485 17:24:45< Melian> for cirdan? has neutral karma
1129069487 17:24:47< euthydemus> dmacks: I tried absolute paths and removing root and prefix arguments but I still get the same error
1129069489 17:24:49< newmanbe> Melian: karma for cirdan
1129069489 17:24:49< Melian> for cirdan has neutral karma
1129069494 17:24:54< newmanbe> Melian: karma cirdan
1129069494 17:24:54< Melian> cirdan has neutral karma
1129069496 17:24:56< dmacks> These are the C++ and .Net wrappers for lilo?
1129069499 17:24:59< newmanbe> !cirdan--
1129069501 17:25:01< newmanbe> !cirdan--
1129069503 17:25:03< newmanbe> Melian: karma cirdan
1129069511 17:25:11< newmanbe> Borken.
1129069515 17:25:15< cirdan> Melian: lart newmanbe 
1129069515 17:25:15 * Melian frags newmanbe with her BFG9000
1129069527 17:25:27< cirdan> !bosnack
1129069530 17:25:30< cirdan> !botnack
1129069533 17:25:33< cirdan> i wish i could spell
1129069539 17:25:39< cirdan> !botsnack
1129069539 17:25:39< Melian> cirdan: thanks
1129069556 17:25:56< newmanbe> !tell cirdan how to spell
1129069568 17:26:08 * dmacks got so fed up with mis-spelling one of fink's webpages that I added the mis-spelling as a symlink
1129069586 17:26:26< cirdan> haha
1129069594 17:26:34< cirdan> !dmacks++
1129069616 17:26:56< dmacks> bbl
1129069618 17:26:58< cirdan> k
1129069620 17:27:00< cirdan> ttyl
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1129072450 18:14:10< pogma> did dmacks get in touch with dmalloc?
1129072641 18:17:21< newmanbe> !ubercluebat Mac OS X
1129072642 18:17:22 * Melian *WHACKS* Mac OS X with the almighty UBERCLUEBAT.  *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* ...
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1129080859 20:34:19< pogma> dmacks: can't phone him now anyway, some silly hour of the morning in europe.
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1129080937 20:35:37< akh> crap--my build/actual data analysis box is asleep.
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1129080971 20:36:11< newmanbe> akh: You were smart enough to enable WAN-wake up though. :)
1129080977 20:36:17 * newmanbe wonders what's with this linuxalien person.
1129080983 20:36:23< newmanbe> All these /joins and /parts
1129081018 20:36:58< akh> newmanbe:  I don't remember--I'd have to say that I was not indeed smart enough for that.  :\
1129081040 20:37:20< akh> The damn thing's not supposed to sleep at all.
1129081091 20:38:11< akh> Good thing we moved the wiki.
1129081123 20:38:43 * akh has the paranoid suspicion that our new IS head is responsible...
1129081161 20:39:21< akh> The box hadn't been narcoleptic, nor had it spontaneously changed hostnames until he showed up.
1129081168 20:39:28 * akh looks for some tinfoil.
1129082701 21:05:01< cirdan> does anyone know how to edit the menus on a dvd i already made?
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1129083128 21:12:08< newmanbe> cmeme!
1129083133 21:12:13< newmanbe> !kick cmeme 
1129083150 21:12:30< akh> cirdan, no idea here
1129083372 21:16:12 * akh thinks "can't set buildlock for foo" is going to replace "execution of make failed" as the most common non-useful error report.
1129083418 21:16:58< dmacks> Not for long, akh..........
1129083481 21:18:01< dmacks> Holy crap dude, you conjured up a CVS commit!
1129083530 21:18:50< akh> I did?
1129083578 21:19:38< newmanbe> 1129083475 21:17:55 < CIA-4> Fink: dmacks * fink/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Overhaul buildlocks: use runtime flock-based wrapper around dpkg-based package. <-- That?
1129083586 21:19:46< dmacks> Ayup.
1129083593 21:19:53< akh> ah
1129083690 21:21:30< akh> guess I'll have to try that out.
1129083714 21:21:54< dmacks> A dead lock on a given package will automatically be replaced when next building the package (no more bogus "another fink process is building that package")
1129083737 21:22:17< akh> cool
1129083759 21:22:39< newmanbe> 6/32
1129083773 21:22:53< akh> 0.375
1129083773 21:22:53< newmanbe> akh: Seems like my fingers have another problem for you. :)
1129083787 21:23:07< akh> oops
1129083789 21:23:09< dmacks> And cleanup is now reliable enough (in principle, gotta finish testing) to be run automatically before each set_buildlock, so no more buildlock conflicts from dead fink processes.
1129083799 21:23:19< akh> nice
1129083810 21:23:30< akh> newmanbe:  0.375/2
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1129083841 21:24:01 * newmanbe goes back to learning ncurses.
1129083848 21:24:08< dmacks> (still not network-safe for remotely-mounted /sw yet)
1129083922 21:25:22< akh> dmacks:  Eh, save that for 1.0. ;-)
1129083936 21:25:36< dmacks> We can use the same lock mechanism for selfupdate now, to prevent weirdness when selfupdating while a 'fink build' is running.
1129083944 21:25:44< akh> nice
1129083957 21:25:57 * newmanbe recalls a number of times when he's selfupdated while building things.
1129084024 21:27:04< akh> fink likes to try to install gettext3-dev, which frequently fails.
1129084048 21:27:28 * dmacks does it often also, but "there is a low risk of side effects including crashes with misleading error messages and silent massive-miscompiling of packages that won't show up until later and will be virtually impossible to diagnose at that time"
1129084125 21:28:45< akh> yah
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1129084227 21:30:27< newmanbe> lisppaste has been doing that a lot lately.
1129084289 21:31:29< akh> There was an announcement a while back--supposedly they're trying to decrease the outage time.
1129084303 21:31:43< akh> i.e. it comes right back after leaving.
1129084367 21:32:47< newmanbe> Which raises the question, why is it leaving?
1129084407 21:33:27< akh> I'm not sure--maybe it's got a fragile engine.
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