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1128942075 06:01:15< newmanbe> fink apropos xemacs 1128942083 06:01:23< newmanbe> Install one of those packages. 1128942114 06:01:54< Darko> i've installed two of the packages... the sumo one and the straight xemacs 1128942134 06:02:14< Darko> but when i open a php file it is loading 'php-mode' and then just dies 1128942137 06:02:17< newmanbe> You probably can't have them both installed at once. 1128942163 06:02:43< Darko> hrm... tried with just the xemacs intalled and it didn't have the 'php-mode' 1128942183 06:03:03< Darko> i was wondering if i need to install any special fonts or something? 1128942189 06:03:09< newmanbe> Apple's emacs does not have php-mode. 1128942194 06:03:14< newmanbe> I have no idea. 1128942220 06:03:40< Darko> ok... maybe it's an xmeacs problem rather than a fink problem... 1128942938 06:15:38-!- stefan_ [n=housemai@dslb-084-057-065-170.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #fink 1128942966 06:16:06< stefan_> hi all 1128942993 06:16:33< newmanbe> Hello. 1128943731 06:28:51-!- meshuga [i=meshuga@c-24-20-154-158.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #fink 1128944163 06:36:03-!- stefan_ [n=housemai@dslb-084-057-065-170.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [] 1128944351 06:39:11< baba_> ld, ld, ..wherefore art thou ld.. 1128944846 06:47:26-!- mjayant is now known as mjayant_away 1128944898 06:48:18-!- Darko [n=tombarre@212.42.13.166] has quit ["BitchX: now with flavor crystals!"] 1128945685 07:01:25-!- shres [n=sshreyas@202.144.95.243] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 1128947284 07:28:04< pogma> ld is in /usr/bin, usually 1128947442 07:30:42< baba_> well, i have problem with its undefined symbols errors 1128948330 07:45:30< pogma> use lisppaste if you haven't fixed it yet 1128948389 07:46:29-!- cmeme [n=cmeme@boa.b9.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 1128948401 07:46:41-!- cmeme [n=cmeme@boa.b9.com] has joined #fink 1128950227 08:17:07-!- geewz [n=gregreed@ppp122-142.static.internode.on.net] has joined #fink 1128950344 08:19:04-!- mrevelle [n=Matt@va-sterling-u1-c5c-a-146.chvlva.adelphia.net] has joined #fink 1128951011 08:30:11< baba_> i think i found the way to go 1128951013 08:30:13< baba_> thanks 1128951039 08:30:39< baba_> loooooooooooong way, though 1128951208 08:33:28< pogma> heh. you're learning stuff that you never knew, it's fun! 1128951257 08:34:17< baba_> yeah 1128951280 08:34:40< baba_> i learned more about undefined symbols 1128951319 08:35:19< baba_> but you can tell me more, if u have time 1128951361 08:36:01< pogma> you either need to add the library that contains the symbols to the link line, or, if you are sure that the symbol is going to be defined at runtime, use -undefined dynamic_lookup flag 1128951361 08:36:01< asari> baba_, pogma: evening 1128951388 08:36:28< pogma> asari: Hi 1128951412 08:36:52< baba_> evenint 1128951419 08:36:59 * pogma wonders if 22.36 really counts as evening :) 1128951456 08:37:36< baba_> which is better, add '-undefined' or '-lhoge1 -lhoge2 ............'? 1128951481 08:38:01< pogma> baba_: define "better" 1128951493 08:38:13< baba_> better means something i will be happy with 1128951518 08:38:38< asari> baba_: so define "happiness" :) 1128951552 08:39:12< baba_> happiness is that i can make something 1128951577 08:39:37 * asari netani majiresu !? 1128951579 08:39:39< pogma> Adding the missing libraries will mean that the dynamic linker will probably be able to resolve all symbols faster, so you'll get an app startup time that is faster (but probably not noticably so) 1128951609 08:40:09< baba_> ic 1128951630 08:40:30< pogma> if you are sure that those libs will be loaded at runtime it is easier to add -undefined 1128951633 08:40:33< baba_> gdal and grass are cross-dependent, and gdal developer made grass plugin 1128951677 08:41:17< baba_> it should work as long as Depends are set correctly 1128951708 08:41:48-!- RangerAway is now known as RangerRick 1128951725 08:42:05< pogma> baba_: sounds yucky 1128951734 08:42:14< pogma> baba_: glad I'm not you :) 1128951769 08:42:49 * RangerRick is engaged: http://ranger.befunk.com/gallery/2005-10-wedding-ring 1128951781 08:43:01< pogma> congratulations!!!!! 1128951783 08:43:03< asari> omedeto-! 1128951791 08:43:11 * baba_ gives all his .info files to pogma 1128951804 08:43:24-!- geewz [n=gregreed@ppp122-142.static.internode.on.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 1128951805 08:43:25< RangerRick> thanks :) 1128951807 08:43:27< baba_> RangerRick!!!! 1128951813 08:43:33< baba_> congulatulations! 1128951838 08:43:58< pogma> RangerRick: get a bigger diamond! cheapskate! :-p 1128951863 08:44:23< RangerRick> hah! 1128951872 08:44:32 * RangerRick hopes pogma's joking 1128951872 08:44:32< baba_> i wish you can spend more time with fink from now :p 1128951904 08:45:04< pogma> RangerRick: yes, I was joking. I'm sorry to say that I've forgotten your gf's name 1128951905 08:45:05< RangerRick> heh, well, we'll see about that 1128951908 08:45:08< RangerRick> Cynthia 1128951930 08:45:30< baba_> hi Cynthia, if u r there 1128951963 08:46:03< RangerRick> no, I'm at work now 1128951969 08:46:09< RangerRick> proposed friday 1128951971 08:46:11< pogma> when's the big day? 1128951977 08:46:17< RangerRick> we don't know yet :) 1128952025 08:47:05< pogma> as a minister, can you do it yourself? :-p 1128952102 08:48:22< RangerRick> I don't know 1128952118 08:48:38< pogma> anyway, I'm overjoyed, congrats 1128952119 08:48:39< baba_> what really is the difference between foo.so and foo.dylib? 1128952149 08:49:09< RangerRick> baba_: not necessarily anything, but convention says foo.so is a loadable module, and foo.dylib is a shared library 1128952169 08:49:29< RangerRick> and it's difficult to explain the distinction, but I know there's technotes and maybe a faq about it somewhere 1128952215 08:50:15< baba_> i mean, do i need to rename foo.so to doo.dylib if make generates foo.so? 1128952230 08:50:30< baba_> other than that, it seems working 1128952234 08:50:34< pogma> baba_: A bundle (.so) can not be used as input to /usr/bin/ld again 1128952235 08:50:35< RangerRick> no, OSX doesn't care what the extension is 1128952561 08:56:01< baba_> no fink policy about the filename/extension? 1128952801 09:00:01< pogma> loadable modules are normally libfoo.so, no policy 1128952832 09:00:32< pogma> apple originally recommended foo.bundle 1128952855 09:00:55< pogma> pretty sure that they've buried that by now :) 1128952904 09:01:44< baba_> hehe 1128952916 09:01:56< baba_> i would rename it to foo.engaged, then 1128952934 09:02:14-!- regeya [n=shane@adsl-sp3-cdale176.micgi.com] has joined #fink 1128953007 09:03:27< baba_> hmm -undefined causes another error 1128953008 09:03:28-!- linusthepenguin [n=andy@thevault.rh.rit.edu] has joined #fink 1128953053 09:04:13< linusthepenguin> Got a problem installing bitlbee through fink... 1128953058 09:04:18< linusthepenguin> * Linking protocols.o 1128953058 09:04:18< linusthepenguin> * Linking bitlbee 1128953058 09:04:18< linusthepenguin> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status 1128953058 09:04:18< linusthepenguin> make: *** [bitlbee] Error 1 1128953063 09:04:23< linusthepenguin> ### execution of make failed, exit code 2 1128953065 09:04:25< linusthepenguin> Failed: compiling bitlbee-20050918-1 failed 1128953151 09:05:51< pogma> please use lisppaste to show more of the error 1128953158 09:05:58< pogma> lisppaste: url? 1128953158 09:05:58< lisppaste> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink and enter your paste. 1128953181 09:06:21< pogma> also, many people take offense at pastes to irc.. 1128953218 09:06:58< baba_> i got my pack compiled finally 1128953232 09:07:12< baba_> time to check what it really produced 1128953268 09:07:48< baba_> nothing! 1128953284 09:08:04< lisppaste> linusthepenguin pasted "Bitlbee Error" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/12396 1128953305 09:08:25< linusthepenguin> my bad... sorry guys 1128953319 09:08:39< linusthepenguin> I hope that helps now... 1128953356 09:09:16< pogma> linusthepenguin: yeah, you don't have libtasn1.dylib 1128953371 09:09:31< pogma> unfortunately, I have no idea what package provides it 1128953421 09:10:21< linusthepenguin> Will the incorrect pointer types cause a problem as well? 1128953443 09:10:43< pogma> I think those are just warnings 1128953451 09:10:51< linusthepenguin> k... 1128953472 09:11:12< linusthepenguin> How did you figure that I don't have libtasn1.dylib? 1128953490 09:11:30< pogma> /usr/bin/ld: can't locate file for: -ltasn1 1128953528 09:12:08< pogma> fink install libtasn1 1128953535 09:12:15< baba_> maybe "fink install libtasn1" helps 1128953538 09:12:18< baba_> gaa 1128953543 09:12:23< pogma> beat ya! 1128953546 09:12:26< baba_> u were quicker 1128953548 09:12:28< pogma> :) 1128953590 09:13:10< pogma> linusthepenguin: and please report the missing dependency to the bitlbee maintainer 1128953611 09:13:31< linusthepenguin> I will do that... thanks 1128953668 09:14:28< linusthepenguin> w00t 1128953688 09:14:48< linusthepenguin> Got it installed... now to try installing bitlbee 1128953720 09:15:20< baba_> gaaa make install copies files into /sw directly! 1128953745 09:15:45-!- lostprophet [n=lostprop@sctresuser23.smartcity.net] has joined #fink 1128953821 09:17:01< linusthepenguin> wow... another dependency missed - libgcrypt 1128953836 09:17:16< linusthepenguin> Installed libgcrypt.... trying bitlbee install gain 1128953862 09:17:42< baba_> fink install libgcrypt libgcrpt-shlibs 1128953875 09:17:55< baba_> u installed.. 1128953918 09:18:38< asari> baba_: try `fink --build-as-nobody build` when testing 1128953951 09:19:11< linusthepenguin> Another error : -lgpg-error 1128953980 09:19:40< asari> baba_: then Fink perform `sudo -u nobody , so your /sw be safe :) 1128954016 09:20:16< baba_> fink install libgpg-error 1128954029 09:20:29< baba_> asari: thanks, i need that option all the time 1128954146 09:22:26< linusthepenguin> Thanks for your help... especially baba and pogma 1128954157 09:22:37< linusthepenguin> Bitlbee is now installed 1128954179 09:22:59< baba_> not me, just pogma 1128954187 09:23:07< baba_> he is the fink guru 1128954213 09:23:33< linusthepenguin> hehe 1128954219 09:23:39< linusthepenguin> tty guys later 1128954229 09:23:49-!- linusthepenguin [n=andy@thevault.rh.rit.edu] has quit [] 1128954315 09:25:15< baba_> maybe he was linus talvalds 1128954608 09:30:08-!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has quit ["Common Lisp IRC library - http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-irc"] 1128954614 09:30:14-!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has joined #fink 1128954679 09:31:19-!- akh [n=akhansen@68-118-244-23.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #fink 1128954864 09:34:24< akh> hi all. 1128954904 09:35:04< akh> D'oh! I was selfupdating-cvs in the wrong tree. That would explain the lack of new packages. 1128955448 09:44:08-!- lostprophet [n=lostprop@sctresuser23.smartcity.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 1128955449 09:44:09< asari> time to sleep, night all 1128955453 09:44:13-!- asari [n=asari@p3246-ipbf703marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has left #Fink [] 1128958302 10:31:42-!- mee_bot [n=mee_bot@dragontooth.servers.class.csupomona.edu] has joined #fink 1128958664 10:37:44-!- dmacks [n=dmacks@pool-70-22-58-73.balt.east.verizon.net] has joined #fink 1128958776 10:39:36< dmacks> akh: 'make' needs heavy-duty patching...last he stated (repeatedly on some fink-*) it would not be simple to write a new make b/c the patches aren't very portable. 1128958801 10:40:01 * dmacks wonders if there are certain features in fink's that aren't in Apple's? 1128959095 10:44:55< akh> Could be. 1128959180 10:46:20< dmacks> ("he"==max) 1128959214 10:46:54< lisppaste> akh pasted "xpad (10.4.2, X.org, XCode2.1)" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/12399 1128959240 10:47:20< akh> Found that just recently 1128959277 10:47:57< dmacks> /me^WThe maintainer probably hasn't looked at that pkg in *ages*. 1128959307 10:48:27< akh> Yah--I was doing a routine rebuild since I was using a 10.3 legacy .deb. 1128959322 10:48:42-!- shres [n=sshreyas@59.92.143.184] has joined #fink 1128959381 10:49:41< dmacks> Hrm, upstream is at v2.10:) 1128959391 10:49:51< dmacks> Maybe something's been changed that affects that... 1128959418 10:50:18< akh> Maybe. 1128959606 10:53:26-!- cmeme [n=cmeme@boa.b9.com] has quit ["Client terminated by server"] 1128959703 10:55:03< akh> dmacks: hmmm...that's odd. I tried building it here on my 10.4.3/XCode2.2pre2/X.org box and it worked. 1128959765 10:56:05-!- cmeme [n=cmeme@boa.b9.com] has joined #fink 1128959838 10:57:18 * dmacks trying new version... 1128959931 10:58:51-!- cmeme [n=cmeme@boa.b9.com] has quit [Broken pipe] 1128959986 10:59:46-!- cmeme [n=cmeme@boa.b9.com] has joined #fink 1128961676 11:27:56-!- hennker_ [i=flullup@dslb-084-063-039-065.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #fink 1128961830 11:30:30-!- chris01 [n=chris01@212.126.165.246] has joined #fink 1128962604 11:43:24< akh> meh--/me hates trying to work remotely. 1128962753 11:45:53< dmacks> Too hard to read -beginners' users' screens? 1128962766 11:46:06-!- hennker [i=flullup@dslb-084-063-042-143.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 1128962785 11:46:25< akh> Yup--that and the fact that I haven't located a good freeware way to analyze our data. 1128962813 11:46:53-!- memturbo [n=memturbo@68-185-214-23.dhcp.cpgr.mo.charter.com] has joined #fink 1128962860 11:47:40< akh> Basically I do a lot of remote X stuff. 1128962891 11:48:11-!- bbraun [n=bbraun@opendarwin/core/bbraun] has joined #fink 1128962975 11:49:35-!- memturbo [n=memturbo@68-185-214-23.dhcp.cpgr.mo.charter.com] has left #fink [] 1128963015 11:50:15< dmacks> New xpad committed. 1128963027 11:50:27< akh> cool--I'll give it a look-see. 1128963166 11:52:46< akh> Saw that someone was working on pwlib, and pogma put out a patch that supposedly made it work. 1128963193 11:53:13< dmacks> Yeah. There's so much wrong with that package, and it's also many verisons old vs upstream I think. 1128963235 11:53:55< akh> I guess we can wait and see, then. 1128963391 11:56:31 * akh curses the silly BuildConflict behavior of restoring the package(s) after the first install--again. 1128963428 11:57:08< cirdan> morning 1128963442 11:57:22-!- spiral [n=spiral@laf31-2-82-224-249-43.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #fink 1128963494 11:58:14< spiral> hi 1128963544 11:59:04< akh> morning, cirdan ; hi spiral (and I gave a global hi when I signed on ;-) ) 1128963576 11:59:36< cirdan> heh 1128963689 12:01:29-!- neilt [n=neilt@c-67-184-99-139.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #fink 1128963795 12:03:15< akh> dmacks: new xpad works. Move 'er to stable! 1128963815 12:03:35-!- neilt1 [n=neilt@c-67-184-99-139.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #fink 1128963848 12:04:08< akh> (well, maybe it's a bit premature for that ) 1128963911 12:05:11< dmacks> Yeah...can't stableify it until gettext3 goes there:) 1128963928 12:05:28< dmacks> (thanks for the testin') 1128963992 12:06:32< akh> No prob--I like not having to switch to Stickies to jot stuff down when I'm running X. 1128964006 12:06:46< akh> And knote is just a bit excessive if I'm not running KDE already... 1128964059 12:07:39< dmacks> If even xpad is too excessive, there's always 'comment' 1128964111 12:08:31< akh> True. I've got that, too. 1128964137 12:08:57< akh> That's got the virtue of being usable in a non-X ssh session. 1128964305 12:11:45-!- linuxalien [n=zaphod@137.190.158.200] has joined #fink 1128964867 12:21:07-!- neilt [n=neilt@c-67-184-99-139.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 1128966329 12:45:29< runelind> hey finkers 1128966335 12:45:35-!- chris01 [n=chris01@212.126.165.246] has quit ["bye"] 1128966354 12:45:54< RangerRick> howdy runelind 1128966377 12:46:17< runelind> how goes it rr? 1128966388 12:46:28< RangerRick> runelind: good, got engaged friday :) 1128966402 12:46:42< runelind> woo hoo 1128966416 12:46:56< RangerRick> no, we don't know when yet 1128966416 12:46:56< runelind> how did you propose? stick a custom error message into the daily kde compile? 1128966422 12:47:02< RangerRick> haha 1128966433 12:47:13< RangerRick> no, we went to the mountains, rented a cabin 1128966447 12:47:27< dmacks> ...and compiled kde from there? 1128966449 12:47:29< RangerRick> I had a metric buttload of flowers delivered to the cabin to be there when we got there 1128966460 12:47:40< dmacks> Congratulations! 1128966477 12:47:57< RangerRick> thanks 1128966495 12:48:15< RangerRick> http://ranger.befunk.com/gallery/2005-10-wedding-ring http://ranger.befunk.com/gallery/2005-10-07-engagement-flowers 1128966537 12:48:57< dmacks> nice 1128966610 12:50:10-!- linuxalien [n=zaphod@137.190.158.200] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 1128966707 12:51:47< runelind> after watching the hell all our friends are going through with getting married, my g/f and I are never going to get married, ever :) 1128966740 12:52:20< RangerRick> hehe 1128966751 12:52:31< RangerRick> yeah, I've already been asked "when is the wedding?" about a million times 1128966773 12:52:53< runelind> http://www.mattiaslindgren.com/BriandI/M_B_brandonwedding look how happy we are that we're _not_ getting married ;) 1128966798 12:53:18< runelind> but congrats RangerRick, I wish you luck :) 1128966809 12:53:29< RangerRick> hah, thanks :) 1128966811 12:53:31< RangerRick> I think 1128966813 12:53:33< RangerRick> 1128966841 12:54:01-!- myspys [n=myspys@ip221.cab12.ktln.starman.ee] has joined #fink 1128966854 12:54:14-!- linuxalien [n=zaphod@137.190.158.200] has joined #fink 1128966875 12:54:35< myspys> maybe the wrong channel to ask, but where can i find out what process is using my harddrive? the harddrive has been going non-stop for the last 24 hours(!) 1128966885 12:54:45-!- shreyas [n=sshreyas@59.92.129.122] has joined #fink 1128966924 12:55:24< myspys> i've rebooted, nothing helps. i've killed a lot of processes, doesn't help. according to SysStat (the widget) the machine has allocated 6.4 GB of virtual memory. according to top -o vsize, kernel_tas* is using almost 900 MB (got 1 gb of ram) 1128966933 12:55:33< myspys> i'm desperate! 1128966977 12:56:17< dmacks> RangerRick: Y'oughta put up a FAQ for your wedding. Q1: when? 1128967050 12:57:30< RangerRick> yeah, we're gonna set up a web page :) 1128967088 12:58:08< dmacks> I assume y'all have already made the ceremonial changing-of-the-orkut-relationship-status flags? 1128967417 13:03:37< akh> myspys: Could it be Spotlight indexing? IIRC that's pretty heinous the first time out. 1128967451 13:04:11< akh> dmacks: heh 1128967456 13:04:16< myspys> akh, have added my only drive to the privacy-thingy, and last night after i rebooted, it didn't try to index again 1128967460 13:04:20< RangerRick> dmacks: had mine set to "committed" quite a while ago 1128967476 13:04:36-!- shres [n=sshreyas@59.92.143.184] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 1128967477 13:04:37< myspys> it all started happening after i ran svn, to check out some code.. 1128967492 13:04:52< akh> myspys: Hmmm... 1128967560 13:06:00< myspys> then when i tried to do a kill -9 on svn, nothing happened. or, kill thought it had gone to plan, but the svn-process was still there. i then tried sudo kill -9 pid .. and that terminal would just lock up :-/ 1128967592 13:06:32< akh> ewww--nasty 1128967626 13:07:06< myspys> yah. i (foolishly) assumed a reboot would do the trick (okay, i've been a windows-user for too long :P) 1128967666 13:07:46< akh> Best thing I can think of is to run 'top' after rebooting--that's usually worked for me in the event of runaway processes. 1128967678 13:07:58-!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 1128967680 13:08:00< myspys> well, nothing is eating the cpu 1128967685 13:08:05< myspys> only seems to be playing around with the harddrive 1128967695 13:08:15< myspys> is it possible to see which process is using the harddrive? 1128967700 13:08:20< myspys> ie using the harddrive the MOST 1128967719 13:08:39< myspys> sort of like top, but for hd-usage 1128967733 13:08:53< dmacks> 'lsof' shows what's using disk, but I don't know how to sort it or determine *amount* of usage for each. 1128967736 13:08:56< RangerRick> myspys: not sure 1128967763 13:09:23-!- linuxalien [n=zaphod@137.190.158.200] has left #fink ["Leaving"] 1128967799 13:09:59< myspys> have i gone paranoid or could this be real? i just tried unplugging the power-cable. and when the cable is OUT the harddrive doesn't work, but as soon as i put it back in, it starts working again 1128967839 13:10:39< myspys> power-cable to the computer that is, not to the hd ;) (and yeah, this is a laptop (powerbook to be precise)) 1128967853 13:10:53< akh> Try 'sudo fs-usage' 1128967868 13:11:08< myspys> command not found 1128967873 13:11:13< dmacks> (underscore, not hyphen) 1128967873 13:11:13< myspys> running tiger 1128967882 13:11:22< myspys> ah 1128967903 13:11:43< akh> Yeah, helps if I type correctly. ;-) 1128967912 13:11:52 * dmacks wonders if there's some background database update happening that only runs when there's direct power. 1128967928 13:12:08< dmacks> (i.e., "don't waste battery on Spotlight update") 1128967937 13:12:17< cirdan> that would be cool 1128967938 13:12:18< myspys> would make sense, but i think i've killed all of those 1128967949 13:12:29< cirdan> kill -i -1 1128967953 13:12:33< cirdan> :-kill -9 -1 1128967956 13:12:36< cirdan> :-) 1128967964 13:12:44< dmacks> If you just did a big svn update, you have lots of unindexed files:) 1128967991 13:13:11< myspys> well, that's the thing. it didn't get that far, my ip wasn't allowed when i did that, so nothing was downloaded.. 1128967998 13:13:18< dmacks> Hm. 1128968018 13:13:38< myspys> fs_usage doesnt' really show anything. hmm 1128968025 13:13:45< myspys> unless i'm blind :P 1128968079 13:14:39< akh> It _should_ spit out messages about every trivial disk access. 1128968081 13:14:41< myspys> the only thing that's constantly opening files is openmonitor 1128968092 13:14:52< myspys> yeah, it does. but nothing looks 'weird' 1128968107 13:15:07< myspys> 21:14:31.423 open F=3 /Library/OpenBase/.pid/lock 0.000069 openmonitor 1128968108 13:15:08< myspys> 21:14:31.423 open F=4 /Library/OpenBase/.pid/OB_openexec.pid 0.000010 openmonitor 1128968119 13:15:19< akh> ah 1128968254 13:17:34< myspys> how can i tell if it's doing something with the vmem that it shouldn't be? 1128968254 13:17:34-!- regeya [n=shane@adsl-sp3-cdale176.micgi.com] has left #fink ["Leaving"] 1128968273 13:17:53< myspys> sysstat reporting that the os have allocated a total of 5.80 gb for virtual memory feels a bit wrong 1128968279 13:17:59< myspys> (got 1 gb of ram) 1128968397 13:19:57< akh> Yeah, that seems bad. 1128968408 13:20:08< akh> (or at least, peculiar) 1128968421 13:20:21-!- cirdan [n=chris@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has quit ["leaving"] 1128968445 13:20:45-!- Melian [n=blootbot@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has quit ["adios amigos"] 1128968467 13:21:07< myspys> but nothing seems to claim responsibility for the memory.. 1128968521 13:22:01< myspys> i've got an output from top, but don't want to paste it here, for obvious reasons ;) but nothing is using THAT much memory.. :-/ 1128968558 13:22:38< akh> Very strange 1128968570 13:22:50< dmacks> Is anything "unusual" running? Especially: given that power-cord affects "whatever this thing is", what processes go dormant when unplugged? 1128968590 13:23:10-!- dkg [i=dkg@83.64.192.28] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 1128968595 13:23:15< myspys> dmacks, no new process is started and no process is killed when i change "state" 1128968600 13:23:20-!- dkg [i=dkg@loeblich.linuxteam.at] has joined #fink 1128968614 13:23:34-!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has joined #fink 1128968620 13:23:40< myspys> dmacks, i can send you the output from ps aux 1128968627 13:23:47< myspys> i'm fairly new to mac os x :-/ 1128968629 13:23:49< dmacks> !lisppaste 1128968638 13:23:58< dmacks> *gah* 1128968646 13:24:06< akh> lisppaste: URL? 1128968651 13:24:11< dmacks> Anyhoo, you can use lisppaste to paste your output 1128968657 13:24:17< akh> It just came back. 1128968677 13:24:37< akh> kinda..the site's not up yet. 1128968704 13:25:04-!- Melian [n=blootbot@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #fink 1128968719 13:25:19< dmacks> (must be rough day down at Bot Central) 1128968737 13:25:37< dmacks> lisppaste: help 1128968737 13:25:37< akh> guess so 1128968744 13:25:44< lisppaste> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink and enter your paste. 1128968745 13:25:45< lisppaste> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink and enter your paste. 1128968753 13:25:53< akh> It's alive! 1128968809 13:26:49< lisppaste> myspys pasted "ps aux" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/12405 1128968822 13:27:02< myspys> coool :) 1128968868 13:27:48< lisppaste> myspys pasted "top -o vsize" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/12406 1128969008 13:30:08-!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has quit ["Common Lisp IRC library - http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-irc"] 1128969011 13:30:11-!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has joined #fink 1128969456 13:37:36-!- gopherd [n=irclogge@tor/session/x-e81cc8da3cc3d420] has joined #fink 1128969456 13:37:36-!- Topic for #fink: Have a question? Check the FAQ: http://fink.sf.net/faq || Latest Installers: 0.6.4 (10.2), 0.7.2 (10.3), 0.8.0 (10.4) || Fink 0.24.10: Cameloparadalis 1128969456 13:37:36-!- Topic set by akh [] [Thu Aug 25 10:00:59 2005] 1128969456 13:37:36[Users #fink] 1128969456 13:37:36[ Airo ] [ dkg ] [ JosephSpiros] [ Melian ] [ pogma ] 1128969456 13:37:36[ akh ] [ dmacks ] [ kane-xs ] [ meshuga ] [ RangerRick] 1128969456 13:37:36[ baba_ ] [ eno-away] [ kane__ ] [ mjayant_away] [ RLD_osx ] 1128969456 13:37:36[ bbraun ] [ Erik____] [ KraMer ] [ mrevelle ] [ runelind ] 1128969456 13:37:36[ BleedAway] [ gecko2 ] [ lisppaste ] [ muesli ] [ spiral ] 1128969456 13:37:36[ brendan ] [ gopherd ] [ mcp ] [ Murr ] [ swix__ ] 1128969456 13:37:36[ cls ] [ gzl ] [ mdmonk_ ] [ neilt1 ] [ usataway ] 1128969456 13:37:36[ cmeme ] [ hennker_] [ mee_bot ] [ newmanbe ] 1128969456 13:37:36[ das_ ] [ jack- ] [ megahal ] [ pnorman ] 1128969456 13:37:36-!- Irssi: #fink: Total of 43 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 43 normal] 1128969456 13:37:36-!- [freenode-info] Welcome Tor users! Please stop by #tor to compare notes and to report any freenode Tor problems. 1128969457 13:37:37-!- Channel #fink created Sun Aug 3 17:57:20 2003 1128969472 13:37:52-!- Irssi: Join to #fink was synced in 17 secs 1128969627 13:40:27< dmacks> Could someone who understands Java take a look at https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1321699&group_id=17203&atid=414256 1128969645 13:40:45< dmacks> Does that thing really need to install into /Library? 1128969668 13:41:08-!- [daniel] [n=daniel@ip221.cab12.ktln.starman.ee] has joined #fink 1128969682 13:41:22< [daniel]> no change 1128969701 13:41:41< [daniel]> could i be mistaking the sound for something else_ 1128969715 13:41:55< [daniel]> could it be some fan that has gone wacky? 1128969719 13:41:59< RangerRick> dmacks: I can't imagine any reason to install anything like that into /Library -- I'm sure there's a way to tell the VM where to find pluggable libraries 1128969756 13:42:36< RangerRick> I'd bet DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH or DYLD_FRAMEWORK_PATH would do the trick 1128969778 13:42:58-!- neilt1 [n=neilt@c-67-184-99-139.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [] 1128969779 13:42:59-!- cirdan [n=chris@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #fink 1128969783 13:43:03< RangerRick> (haven't looked at the package, just assuming it makes a .jnilib somewhere?) 1128969802 13:43:22< dmacks> RangerRick: Yeah, there's a jnilib 1128969811 13:43:31-!- neilt [n=neilt@c-67-184-99-139.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #fink 1128969829 13:43:49-!- dkg_ [i=dkg@loeblich.linuxteam.at] has joined #fink 1128969847 13:44:07< dmacks> Feel free to comment in the tracker. /me knows >< about those java details. 1128969854 13:44:14< cirdan> argh! 1128969855 13:44:15< cirdan> what a pita 1128969890 13:44:50-!- dkg [i=dkg@loeblich.linuxteam.at] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 1128969905 13:45:05< dmacks> You ate some bad chickpeas and now you feelawful? Bwaaaahahahaha!!! 1128969927 13:45:27< cirdan> no 1128969938 13:45:38< cirdan> my firewire drives on my linux box aren't being seen :-( 1128969958 13:45:58< akh> Ick. 1128970046 13:47:26-!- sid77 [n=sid77@host-84-222-63-227.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #fink 1128970063 13:47:43< RangerRick> dmacks: don't really have time to devote to spending any brainpower on it right now 1128970064 13:47:44-!- spiral [n=spiral@laf31-2-82-224-249-43.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 1128970075 13:47:55< dmacks> Okay. I'll just cut'n'paste your comment there then:) 1128970080 13:48:00< RangerRick> hehe, ok 1128970087 13:48:07-!- mrevelle [n=Matt@va-sterling-u1-c5c-a-146.chvlva.adelphia.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 1128970136 13:48:56-!- mrevelle [n=Matt@va-sterling-u1-c5c-a-146.chvlva.adelphia.net] has joined #fink 1128970232 13:50:32-!- sid77 [n=sid77@host-84-222-63-227.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has quit [Client Quit] 1128970236 13:50:36< [daniel]> right, i'm giving up on this now. 1128970239 13:50:39< [daniel]> thanks for all your help guys :) 1128970282 13:51:22-!- [daniel] [n=daniel@ip221.cab12.ktln.starman.ee] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 1128970356 13:52:36-!- spiral [n=spiral@laf31-2-82-224-249-43.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #fink 1128971173 14:06:13-!- TheSin [n=TheSin@iphost-64-56-130-194.edm.wiband.net] has joined #fink 1128971328 14:08:48< dmacks> TheSin is alive! 1128971358 14:09:18< TheSin> alittle :D 1128971391 14:09:51< dmacks> Well that's a little good to hear:) 1128971694 14:14:54< TheSin> hehe 1128971699 14:14:59< TheSin> how are you doing? 1128971699 14:14:59< Melian> TheSin: pretty good. how about you? 1128971707 14:15:07< TheSin> busy busy with the Tee stuff I see :D 1128971732 14:15:32< dmacks> Yeah. /me learned a lot about filehandles under-the-hood. Executive summary: it ain't pretty. 1128971776 14:16:16< TheSin> hehe 1128971782 14:16:22< TheSin> it never is under the hood 1128971788 14:16:28< TheSin> that is why there is a hood :D 1128971798 14:16:38< dmacks> ha! 1128971807 14:16:47< dmacks> *slam* Okay then. 1128971950 14:19:10< TheSin> hehe 1128971976 14:19:36< dmacks> (if you get a chance, there's something broken in mac-glue) 1128971989 14:19:49< TheSin> mac-glue isn't mine 1128971999 14:19:59< TheSin> but it's messing with mac-growl I hear 1128972036 14:20:36< dmacks> yeah. /me can never remember who has which packages. 1128972063 14:21:03< dmacks> Remind me...you don't do 10.3 at all any more, right? 1128972173 14:22:53< TheSin> right 1128972182 14:23:02< TheSin> I don't have room for dual booting 1128972226 14:23:46< dmacks> Yeah. Mind if I backport some of your stuff from 10.4? I can leave the 10.3 Maintainer as None if you prefer. 1128972263 14:24:23 * dmacks almost exclusively 10.3 for a little while longer 1128972264 14:24:24< TheSin> ya that is fine 1128972273 14:24:33< TheSin> so long as I'm not the maintainer I don't care :P 1128972292 14:24:52< TheSin> you can take maintainership in 10.3 1128972292 14:24:52< dmacks> :) 1128972295 14:24:55< TheSin> as long as it's not me :D 1128972343 14:25:43< dmacks> Not *me*...I'm already Maintainer of enough stuff I don't know anything about:) 1128972351 14:25:51< TheSin> hehehe 1128972432 14:27:12< dmacks> coffee time 1128972435 14:27:15-!- dmacks is now known as dmacks_away 1128972957 14:35:57-!- mee_bot [n=mee_bot@dragontooth.servers.class.csupomona.edu] has quit ["Leaving"] 1128974530 15:02:10-!- gopherd [n=irclogge@tor/session/x-6acd87e814d1c5db] has joined #fink 1128974530 15:02:10-!- Topic for #fink: Have a question? Check the FAQ: http://fink.sf.net/faq || Latest Installers: 0.6.4 (10.2), 0.7.2 (10.3), 0.8.0 (10.4) || Fink 0.24.10: Cameloparadalis 1128974530 15:02:10-!- Topic set by akh [] [Thu Aug 25 10:00:59 2005] 1128974530 15:02:10[Users #fink] 1128974530 15:02:10[ Airo ] [ das_ ] [ JosephSpiros] [ meshuga ] [ RangerRick] 1128974530 15:02:10[ akh ] [ dkg_ ] [ kane-xs ] [ mjayant_away] [ RLD_osx ] 1128974530 15:02:10[ baba_ ] [ dmacks_away] [ kane__ ] [ mrevelle ] [ runelind ] 1128974530 15:02:10[ bbraun ] [ eno-away ] [ KraMer ] [ muesli ] [ spiral ] 1128974530 15:02:10[ BleedAway] [ Erik____ ] [ lisppaste ] [ Murr ] [ swix__ ] 1128974530 15:02:10[ brendan ] [ gecko2 ] [ mcp ] [ neilt ] [ TheSin ] 1128974530 15:02:10[ cirdan ] [ gopherd ] [ mdmonk_ ] [ newmanbe ] [ usataway ] 1128974530 15:02:10[ cls ] [ gzl ] [ megahal ] [ pnorman ] 1128974530 15:02:10[ cmeme ] [ jack- ] [ Melian ] [ pogma ] 1128974530 15:02:10-!- Irssi: #fink: Total of 43 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 43 normal] 1128974530 15:02:10-!- [freenode-info] Welcome Tor users! Please stop by #tor to compare notes and to report any freenode Tor problems. 1128974532 15:02:12-!- Channel #fink created Sun Aug 3 17:57:20 2003 1128974543 15:02:23< bbraun> does msachs come here at all reliably? 1128974550 15:02:30-!- Irssi: Join to #fink was synced in 22 secs 1128974577 15:02:57< akh> Reasonably often. 1128974912 15:08:32< bbraun> need to tell him he can do his logs on sampson.opendarwin.org and not sancho now. 1128974938 15:08:58< bbraun> also, anyone know the status of finkmirrors.net these days? 1128974982 15:09:42< dmacks_away> bbraun: dmalloc is AWOL, so we're very screwed in 4 days unless we can convince dotster to give "us" (== !he) the domain. 1128974983 15:09:43< akh> I was able to do a download this morning. 1128974991 15:09:51-!- dmacks_away is now known as dmacks 1128975126 15:12:06< bbraun> dmacks: hmm. yeah 1128975161 15:12:41< newmanbe> Thank you akh. :) 1128975175 15:12:55< dmacks> What's localtime in Hamburg now? 1128975179 15:12:59< bbraun> also sancho, the machine finkmirrors.net points at for selfupdate, distfiles, and others, is trying to be deprecated. 1128975222 15:13:42< newmanbe> dmacks: UTC+1/2/3ish 1128975223 15:13:43< dmacks> bbraun: Right. Without access to DNS (directly or via dmalloc) not much we can do. 1128975227 15:13:47< newmanbe> :) 1128975227 15:13:47< bbraun> yeah 1128975246 15:14:06< bbraun> understood 1128975304 15:15:04< dmacks> Hrm, wonder if it's too late to call him (11pm at least I guess) 1128975320 15:15:20< dmacks> *try to 1128975368 15:16:08< akh> newmanbe: so I'm net-lagged. So sue me. 1128975523 15:18:43-!- spiral [n=spiral@laf31-2-82-224-249-43.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 1128976015 15:26:55-!- cirdan [n=chris@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has quit ["leaving"] 1128976035 15:27:15-!- Melian [n=blootbot@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has quit ["adios amigos"] 1128976294 15:31:34-!- Melian [n=blootbot@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #fink 1128977087 15:44:47< newmanbe> 1/32 1128977087 15:44:47< newmanbe> Oops. 1128977192 15:46:32-!- JesseW [n=chatzill@pdpc/supporter/student/JesseW] has joined #fink 1128977895 15:58:15< akh> .03125 1128978240 16:04:00< newmanbe> Hehe. I've had someone do that before. :) 1128978277 16:04:37< akh> At least you can get an answer, unlike typing things like 'ls' 1128978292 16:04:52< newmanbe> lol 1128978608 16:10:08 * dmacks already has akh programmed to act as my mail-queue monitor script:) 1128978671 16:11:11< akh> And I do a damn fine job of it, too. 1128978683 16:11:23< dmacks> !akhsnack 1128978693 16:11:33< newmanbe> !make akh a snack 1128978694 16:11:34 * Melian whips up a snack for akh real quick. 1128978707 16:11:47< akh> mmm..."special" brownies. 1128978725 16:12:05< newmanbe> Now you'll have to make some packages, real quick. ;) 1128978733 16:12:13< newmanbe> s/make/whip up/ 1128978773 16:12:53-!- spiral [n=spiral@laf31-2-82-224-249-43.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #fink 1128978778 16:12:58< dmacks> brownie-mix.info ? 1128978849 16:14:09< akh> wonder how many food-sounding packages there are... 1128978897 16:14:57< dmacks> I'm gonna write a whole new operating system, using newbie coding style. Will call it SpaghettiOS 1128978916 16:15:16< akh> oh, oh... 1128978968 16:16:08< newmanbe> Heh. I'm working on a live NetBSD cd. :) 1128978969 16:16:09< dmacks> You can do remote system control with ChefBoyRD 1128979233 16:20:33< akh> oy 1128979272 16:21:12-!- zizban [n=chris@24-52-0-219.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] has joined #fink 1128979392 16:23:12 * akh is going to tear somebody a new one if they were messing around with my work box. 1128979410 16:23:30< akh> My hostname suddenly changed, and my X11 authorization got confused. 1128979421 16:23:41< zizban> ouch 1128979480 16:24:40< akh> Fortunately the only side effect was that I had to regenerate my Unison file list. 1128979597 16:26:37< zizban> ahhhh 1128979601 16:26:41< zizban> you worked today? 1128980244 16:37:24-!- linuxalien [n=zaphod@c-24-2-80-89.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #fink 1128980312 16:38:32< dmacks> RangerRick: xdg-base is now in unstable, which sets lots of $XDG_* variables. Not sure what (if any) KDE wants or needs it, or behaves differently because of it. 1128980341 16:39:01< RangerRick> dmacks: ok, I need to do some looking into such things 1128980346 16:39:06< dmacks> Prolly need it as a Depends in *something*...no clue really:/ 1128980350 16:39:10< RangerRick> kde 3.4.3 is coming out soon, I'll go through it then 1128980355 16:39:15< dmacks> Great! 1128980403 16:40:03< dmacks> debian's pkgs are so confusing, looks like have Yet A Different way of doing things to resolve the GNOME/KDE interactions. 1128980417 16:40:17< dmacks> *they have 1128980435 16:40:35< dmacks> (we've got a wiki page) 1128980557 16:42:37< zizban> we rock 1128980911 16:48:31< akh> zizban, I worked from home--I've got a conference coming up. 1128980927 16:48:47< akh> And it's not a holiday for my real employer (the entity that signs my checks) 1128980948 16:49:08< zizban> ahhh 1128981392 16:56:32-!- bbraun [n=bbraun@opendarwin/core/bbraun] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 1128981840 17:04:00-!- nnutter [n=nnutter@12-221-179-60.client.insightBB.com] has joined #fink 1128981873 17:04:33< nnutter> This intrigued me "10.3 and 10.4 users only: It is possible to use Apple's display server and window manager on top of XFree86 or X.org. If you install the applex11tools package, Fink will install what you need, as long as you have a copy of X11User.pkg." Does anybody know where I can get more info about this? 1128982030 17:07:10< dmacks> nnutter: What "more info" do you want? 1128982206 17:10:06< nnutter> I don't understand exactly what it means. Apple's server takes advantage of quartz and opengl. Will this still be true if I ran the display server and window manager on top of xorg? Is there any real advantage to running it on top of xorg? Will I still start X with X11.app? 1128982264 17:11:04< dmacks> I believe it will still be true, given that it's still "Apple's server" (and Apple's /Applications stuff). 1128982266 17:11:06< RangerRick> yes, it basically means you can run X11.app on top of x.org's libraries 1128982289 17:11:29< RangerRick> everything from xfree86 4.4 and up uses a special library that apple provides for x11/quartz integration for display 1128982301 17:11:41< RangerRick> as long as the X server and libraries can talk to that library, you get acceleration 1128982308 17:11:48< nnutter> awesome 1128982319 17:11:59< RangerRick> x.org (and xfree86 4.5) have additional changes/bugfixes on top of the X11 libraries that come with apple's x11 1128982322 17:12:02< zizban> it does sound like a lots of work though 1128982330 17:12:10< RangerRick> but apple's x11.app has some features that don't come with the other libs 1128982331 17:12:11< zizban> I mean, for the OS 1128982332 17:12:12< RangerRick> ziz not really, fink install applex11tools 1128982421 17:13:41< nnutter> once my fink is done installing I will have to try it out 1128982436 17:13:56< dmacks> zizban: This is the whole point of shared libraries and plugin modules...every vendor can customize and/or provide proprietary pieces. 1128982455 17:14:15< zizban> ahhh 1128982550 17:15:50-!- TheSin [n=TheSin@iphost-64-56-130-194.edm.wiband.net] has quit ["Client exiting"] 1128982694 17:18:14-!- BenSw [n=bensw@c-24-13-224-74.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #fink 1128982698 17:18:18< BenSw> hello 1128982704 17:18:24< newmanbe> Hello. 1128982706 17:18:26< dmacks> hiya 1128982713 17:18:33< BenSw> I am having problems when trying to install a file on fink 1128982718 17:18:38< BenSw> i get this error 1128982723 17:18:43< BenSw> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH 1128982723 17:18:43< BenSw> See `config.log' for more details. 1128982723 17:18:43< BenSw> sh: line 1: make: command not found 1128982723 17:18:43< BenSw> ### execution of ./configure failed, exit code 127 1128982723 17:18:43< BenSw> Failed: compiling glib2-2.4.6-7 failed 1128982734 17:18:54< newmanbe> That was it? 1128982737 17:18:57< newmanbe> !lisppaste 1128982738 17:18:58< Melian> You can use lisppaste to paste errors at http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink , instead of flooding the channel. 1128982744 17:19:04< BenSw> ok 1128982746 17:19:06< BenSw> sorry 1128982748 17:19:08< dmacks> BenSw: Visit the Fink FAQ 1128982751 17:19:11< BenSw> but yes that was it 1128982807 17:20:07< dmacks> !faq 1128982808 17:20:08< Melian> i heard faq is at http://www.finkproject.org/faq/ 1128982822 17:20:22< BenSw> im reading it now... but im having trouble finding the entry 1128982845 17:20:45< dmacks> Your problem is with "make", so look for something about "make"? 1128982864 17:21:04< BenSw> found it 1128982916 17:21:56< BenSw> ty 1128982922 17:22:02< dmacks> You're welcome:) 1128983302 17:28:22-!- spiral [n=spiral@laf31-2-82-224-249-43.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 1128983412 17:30:12-!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has quit ["Common Lisp IRC library - http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-irc"] 1128983420 17:30:20-!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has joined #fink 1128983513 17:31:53-!- RangerRick is now known as RangerAway 1128983530 17:32:10< dmacks> *grr* Stupid fast-user-switching!!!!!!! 1128983542 17:32:22-!- dmacks [n=dmacks@pdpc/supporter/active/dmacks] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 1128983603 17:33:23-!- dmacks [n=dmacks@pool-70-22-58-73.balt.east.verizon.net] has joined #fink 1128983630 17:33:50< akh> !wb dmacks 1128983631 17:33:51< Melian> Welcome back dmacks, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chaos. 1128983680 17:34:40-!- linuxalien [n=zaphod@c-24-2-80-89.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has left #fink ["Leaving"] 1128984339 17:45:39-!- kane__ [n=kane@perl.xs4all.nl] has quit [] 1128985296 18:01:36-!- asparagui [n=billy@mo-71-0-216-7.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net] has joined #fink 1128985855 18:10:55-!- BenSw [n=bensw@c-24-13-224-74.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit ["--=={theanimetimes.com}==--"] 1128986031 18:13:51-!- asparagui [n=billy@mo-71-0-216-7.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net] has left #fink [] 1128987074 18:31:14-!- akh [n=akhansen@68-118-244-23.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 1128988737 18:58:57-!- baba_ [n=baba@YahooBB220041000212.bbtec.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 1128988765 18:59:25-!- baba_ [n=baba@YahooBB220041000212.bbtec.net] has joined #fink 1128988902 19:01:42-!- baba_ [n=baba@YahooBB220041000212.bbtec.net] has quit [Client Quit] 1128990003 19:20:03-!- BenSw [n=bensw@c-24-13-224-74.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #fink 1128990006 19:20:06< BenSw> hello 1128990011 19:20:11< BenSw> I have another question 1128990014 19:20:14< BenSw> I have installed the dev tools 1128990019 19:20:19< BenSw> and i get this error 1128990041 19:20:41< BenSw> (what is the command to send the text without flooding?) 1128990051 19:20:51< newmanbe> lisppaste: url? 1128990052 19:20:52< lisppaste> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink and enter your paste. 1128990069 19:21:09< BenSw> okay 1128990098 19:21:38< lisppaste> bensw pasted "error message" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/12424 1128990170 19:22:50< BenSw> any suggestions? 1128990196 19:23:16< newmanbe> !lart name-based virtual hosting. 1128990197 19:23:17 * Melian shoots name-based virtual hosting. in his sleep 1128990230 19:23:50< newmanbe> No idea. 1128990269 19:24:29< BenSw> hmm 1128990720 19:32:00< lisppaste> BenSw annotated #12424 with "error message" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/12424#1 1128990734 19:32:14< BenSw> thats the latest error i get 1128990777 19:32:57< BenSw> any suggestions/ 1128990778 19:32:58< BenSw> ? 1128990820 19:33:40-!- akh [n=akhansen@68-118-244-23.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #fink 1128990821 19:33:41< newmanbe> Sounds like a broken package. 1128990823 19:33:43< RangerAway> BenSw: something you're trying to build is looking for glib2 (and/or glib2-dev) 1128990838 19:33:58< RangerAway> I take it you're trying to build something by hand? 1128990843 19:34:03-!- RangerAway is now known as RangerRick 1128990855 19:34:15< BenSw> no just using finkcommander to install an unstable package 1128991024 19:37:04< BenSw> actually.. using command line "fink install mindless" 1128991029 19:37:09-!- JesseW [n=chatzill@pdpc/supporter/student/JesseW] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 1128991035 19:37:15-!- akh_ [n=akhansen@68-118-244-23.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #fink 1128991043 19:37:23< BenSw> RangerRick: anything I could do? 1128991060 19:37:40-!- akh [n=akhansen@68-118-244-23.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit [Client Quit] 1128991071 19:37:51-!- akh_ is now known as akh 1128991073 19:37:53< RangerRick> BenSw: hm, well sounds like mindless is missing some builddependencies 1128991081 19:38:01< RangerRick> best thing to do is e-mail the maintainer and send them the error 1128991094 19:38:14< RangerRick> in the meantime, you could try 'fink install glib2 glib2-dev' and then give it another shot 1128991186 19:39:46< BenSw> okay 1128991632 19:47:12< akh> d'oh! No beer. 1128991680 19:48:00 * akh can't have pizza sans beer--it's just un-American. 1128991820 19:50:20 * newmanbe has akh join asari for tea. 1128991839 19:50:39< akh> hehe 1128991963 19:52:43-!- cirdan [n=chris@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #fink 1128993138 20:12:18< akh> mmm...analyzing big dataset+displaying X11+using KDE Remote Desktop to redirect to second computer...life is lagged. 1128993192 20:13:12< dmacks> BenSw: pkg-confog/gobject-2.0 is part of the gtk+2-dev package. 1128993260 20:14:20< dmacks> Make sure you've got the latest version of that pkg installed...some old versions from unstable were missing some pkgconfig files. 1128993346 20:15:46< BenSw> so I would do what? 1128993357 20:15:57< BenSw> fink install gtk+2-dev ? 1128993362 20:16:02< dmacks> Yeah. 1128993431 20:17:11< BenSw> is that the exact package? 1128993436 20:17:16< dmacks> yeah 1128993463 20:17:43< BenSw> beacause i get the error "no packages to install" 1128993496 20:18:16< dmacks> Check 'fink list gtk+2' to see if maybe it's already installed? Fink's command-line error messages are sometimes ambiguous... 1128993521 20:18:41< BenSw> wait... i got it to install.. i am still getting that old error 1128993594 20:19:54< dmacks> So what version of which gtk+2/gtk+2-shlibs/gtk+2-dev are installed? 1128993754 20:22:34< BenSw> gtk+2-dev 1128993820 20:23:40< dmacks> How 'bout lisppasting 'fink list gtk+2' so we can get the full answer to my question? 1128993844 20:24:04< RangerRick> gobject is part of glib2-dev not gtk+2-dev 1128993872 20:24:32< dmacks> ?! Good catch! 1128993882 20:24:42< RangerRick> 20:38 < RangerRick> in the meantime, you could try 'fink install glib2 glib2-dev' and then give it another shot 1128993886 20:24:46< RangerRick> ;) 1128993901 20:25:01< RangerRick> BenSw: so glib2/glib2-dev didn't help? 1128993913 20:25:13< BenSw> nope.. may have found the problem though 1128994000 20:26:40< dmacks> Wow, and I even wrote the note for *glib2* about .pc getting lost sometimes... 1128994009 20:26:49 * dmacks needs coffee. 1128994032 20:27:12< akh> mmm...coffee... 1128994137 20:28:57< dmacks> Yup, mindless needs gtk+-2.0.pc which needs atk.pc which needs gobject-2.0.pc, but only has deps for gtk+2 1128994170 20:29:30< BenSw> so what would i need to install? 1128994333 20:32:13< dmacks> atk1 and glib2 1128994357 20:32:37< BenSw> shouldn't fink take care of that? 1128994375 20:32:55< RangerRick> BenSw: it should, but it looks like the package has a bug 1128994380 20:33:00< BenSw> okay 1128994411 20:33:31< dmacks> Whoever wrote the mindless package forgot to include instructions for fink that those other pkgs are needed. 1128994428 20:33:48< BenSw> i see 1128994451 20:34:11 * RangerRick updates the info file 1128994554 20:35:54< dmacks> pkg-config doesn't have a quick way to dump a dependency tree:( 1128994663 20:37:43< RangerRick> unfortunately 1128994677 20:37:57< RangerRick> kind of silly, you'd think it would be pretty easy 1128994694 20:38:14< dmacks> "kind of silly" describes many things about pkg-config 1128994822 20:40:22< RangerRick> hehe 1128994838 20:40:38< RangerRick> it's made things better than when we didn't have it, but it could do so much more 1128994859 20:40:59< dmacks> Like be able to handle spaces in parameters? 1128994865 20:41:05< RangerRick> heh 1128994868 20:41:08< dmacks> Like pass its test suite on OS X? 1128994900 20:41:40< RangerRick> haha 1128994902 20:41:42< dmacks> Like not try to link against gtk+2, which relies on .pc files to find its deps? 1128994905 20:41:45< RangerRick> picky picky 1128994965 20:42:45< dmacks> Like have a special hack for certain OS X flags instead of telling .pc authors "you're not passing the flag correctly, thus setting yourself up for future failure"? 1128995070 20:44:30< akh> Now you're just talking crazy talk. 1128995091 20:44:51< dmacks> Yeah. I'm like that sometimes. 1128995111 20:45:11< akh> heh 1128995239 20:47:19< RangerRick> next you'll be wanting libtool to support frameworks! 1128995253 20:47:33< dmacks> heh 1128995259 20:47:39< cirdan> bah! 1128995261 20:47:41< cirdan> pffft. 1128995386 20:49:46-!- mrevelle [n=Matt@va-sterling-u1-c5c-a-146.chvlva.adelphia.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 1128995434 20:50:34< akh> Frameworks, shmameworks... 1128995446 20:50:46< dmacks> Aw crap, we gotta support shmameworks too? 1128995466 20:51:06< RangerRick> I believe that was a typo, he meant "shameworks" 1128995476 20:51:16< dmacks> Ah right. 1128995483 20:51:23< akh> Yah. 1128995580 20:53:00 * akh thinks someone should start porting GNOME to run with the OS X-native GTK. 1128995600 20:53:20< akh> ;-) Putting the cart waaaaay before the horse. 1128995610 20:53:30< zizban> someone is 1128995617 20:53:37< dmacks> I thought someone was busy working on a poster for some conference... 1128995620 20:53:40< zizban> I saw it announced on osnews the other day 1128995655 20:54:15< akh> zizban: Yeah, but is going to be some crappy .pkg distribution? 1128995659 20:54:19< RangerRick> now they need a native widget theme 1128995671 20:54:31< akh> dmacks: /me doesn't gnow GNOME. 1128995677 20:54:37< RangerRick> right now it still draws regular x11-like gnome widgets 1128995683 20:54:43< dmacks> Oh but you will akh 1128995689 20:54:49< RangerRick> just does it with quartz instead of x11 1128995773 20:56:13< akh> QT/Mac does seem more advanced in that regard, yes. 1128995816 20:56:56< zizban> akh: I dunno 1128995822 20:57:02< akh> Though the oldskool *nixers probably wouldn't care whether it looked like X11 or not. 1128995974 20:59:34< RangerRick> it will be doable now that they're in a quartz context, just take time I suppose 1128995979 20:59:39< RangerRick> well, maybe 1128995983 20:59:43< RangerRick> :) 1128996001 21:00:01< akh> heh--they should work on having apps actually run in a stable fashion first. 1128996024 21:00:24< dmacks> Who's being picky now??? 1128996035 21:00:35< RangerRick> yeah 1128996051 21:00:51< akh> Just thinking like a n00b. ;-) 1128996222 21:03:42< RangerRick> heh, I tried to be nice, but next time I'm not sure I can hold back :) http://ranger.befunk.com/misc/postgres-feedback.pdf 1128996276 21:04:36-!- zizban [n=chris@24-52-0-219.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 1128996280 21:04:40< dmacks> heh 1128996317 21:05:17< akh> Clearly he wants to use something like stow instead. 1128996337 21:05:37< akh> Or Windows. ;-) 1128996343 21:05:43< dmacks> Yeah. Maybe we oughta re-rewrite fink to use stow! 1128996351 21:05:51< RangerRick> akh: hey, man, all of my postgres packages can be installed and even run concurrently, if you change the ports 1128996420 21:07:00< akh> Nice. But can you explain _that_ to your luser there? 1128996440 21:07:20< RangerRick> nope 1128996442 21:07:22< akh> That'd be very impressive. :-) 1128996443 21:07:23< RangerRick> :) 1128996447 21:07:27< RangerRick> it was actually 1128996460 21:07:40< RangerRick> a cop-out so I wouldn't have to figure out how to upgrade users' data ;) 1128996475 21:07:55< akh> Ah. Clever. :-) 1128996475 21:07:55< RangerRick> http://www.catinakilt.com/gallery/Surprise-Engagement-Flowers/DSCN5988 1128996516 21:08:36< akh> Wow. You never know what people may try, though... 1128996529 21:08:49< RangerRick> hehe 1128996626 21:10:26< akh> I was greatly amused by a rerun of an Ellen DeGeneres standup show where she was talking about how shampoo not only has detailed instructions, but also a toll free technical support number. 1128996684 21:11:24< akh> "repeat. But it doesn't say how many times..." 1128996732 21:12:12< dmacks> In group meeting I once described doing something a lot of times as "rinse lather repeat", had to say it twice and wait a moment before anyone found anything wrong. 1128996745 21:12:25< akh> lol 1128996791 21:13:11< akh> Were the others all bald men? Us of the hair-impaired don't think about that "repeat" thing so often. 1128996822 21:13:42< dmacks> Everyone thinks about looping, nobody looks at the desired ending state:) 1128996826 21:13:46< akh> (though rinse before lather still should have set flags) 1128996912 21:15:12< akh> Yeah--figuring out the end state is overrated anyway. 1128996938 21:15:38< dmacks> That's why I only code endless loops. Yeah, that's why...:/ 1128996975 21:16:15< akh> hehe. /me actually wrote a reasonably bulletproof visual data inspection code. 1128996988 21:16:28< dmacks> sweet 1128997009 21:16:49< akh> And I had to learn how to use a GUI, because the IDL virtual machine won't let you enter stuff in a terminal. 1128997020 21:17:00< newmanbe> !shoot akh's visual data inspection code 1128997021 21:17:01 * Melian blows akh's visual data inspection code away with a wand of fireballs 1128997040 21:17:20< akh> Hah--won't work! 1128997062 21:17:42< akh> :-P 1128997103 21:18:23< akh> Hmm...didn't know about !shoot... 1128997112 21:18:32< akh> Have to use that one sometime... 1128997148 21:19:08< akh> Sometime's a lart isn't enough and an alicekill is just too much. ;-) 1128997160 21:19:20-!- linuxalien [n=zaphod@c-24-2-80-89.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #fink 1128997163 21:19:23< dmacks> heh 1128997187 21:19:47< akh> Though anything Freetype-related is an alicekill, minimum. 1128997195 21:19:55< dmacks> yeah 1128997203 21:20:03-!- linuxalien [n=zaphod@c-24-2-80-89.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has left #fink ["Leaving"] 1128997223 21:20:23 * akh needs to remember to file a bug report with Debian about their GNUStep packages. 1128997306 21:21:46< akh> (borked because of freetype issues following an upgrade to xorg) 1128997736 21:28:56< dmacks> No bash.org for 4 days??? 1128997743 21:29:03< akh> dang 1128997809 21:30:09-!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has quit ["Common Lisp IRC library - http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-irc"] 1128997815 21:30:15-!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has joined #fink 1128998220 21:37:00-!- linusthepenguin [n=user@thevault.rh.rit.edu] has joined #fink 1128998227 21:37:07< linusthepenguin> clear 1128998230 21:37:10< linusthepenguin> w00t 1128998233 21:37:13< linusthepenguin> lol 1128998237 21:37:17-!- linusthepenguin [n=user@thevault.rh.rit.edu] has quit ["ERC Version 5.0.4 $Revision: 1.726.2.19 $ (IRC client for Emacs)"] 1128998275 21:37:55< dmacks> ? 1128998307 21:38:27< newmanbe> Odd. 1128998363 21:39:23< cirdan> yep 1128998417 21:40:17< RangerRick> Even. 1128998431 21:40:31< cirdan> cho! 1128998443 21:40:43< akh> ... 1128998926 21:48:46< newmanbe> Hello! Put the SSL dependency varient first! 1128998928 21:48:48< newmanbe> Yeesh. 1128998970 21:49:30< akh> ? 1128998993 21:49:53< newmanbe> The package has non-ssl | ssl for dependencies. 1128999053 21:50:53< akh> ah--that's pretty normal. Just override it with a fink.conf flag. 1128999068 21:51:08< newmanbe> Hmm. /me investigates. 1128999090 21:51:30< dmacks> Yeah. And *also* lart the maintainer. 1128999105 21:51:45< newmanbe> Maintainer: None 1128999108 21:51:48< newmanbe> Hehe. 1128999137 21:52:17< dmacks> Wot pkg? 1128999140 21:52:20< akh> MatchPackageRegEx: (.*-ssl*$) 1128999145 21:52:25< newmanbe> cyrus21 1128999225 21:53:45< akh> !lart None 1128999226 21:53:46 * Melian beats None severely about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken 1128999245 21:54:05< newmanbe> It's in crypto for pete's sake. 1128999271 21:54:31< dmacks> hehe 1128999306 21:55:06< dmacks> (that doesn't mean user needs or wants something-else-ssl instead of jut something-else 1128999319 21:55:19< newmanbe> And hello developers! If you change the source tarball, change the version! 1128999333 21:55:33< newmanbe> dmacks: Yes, it does. All crypto all the time. 1128999343 21:55:43< dmacks> Do we even *have* that pkg for 10.4T? 1128999374 21:56:14< newmanbe> Doesn't seem so. 1128999536 21:58:56< akh> None didn't move it. 1128999556 21:59:16< newmanbe> Nope. :) 1128999580 21:59:40< dmacks> Fixed. 1128999592 21:59:52< dmacks> Dunno why though. 1128999631 22:00:31< dmacks> %%Daisy Daisy...how does your garden grow...%% 1128999660 22:01:00-!- dmacks is now known as dmacks_away 1128999662 22:01:02< akh> ? Isn't that "Mary, Mary quite contrary? 1128999686 22:01:26< newmanbe> !make evil people use HTTP 1128999687 22:01:27 * Melian whips up people use HTTP for evil real quick. 1128999699 22:01:39< newmanbe> Hmm, that didn't work. :) 1128999870 22:04:30< akh> mmm....new seed... 1129000015 22:06:55< akh> Let us see what poisoned Apples grow from it. ;-) 1129000791 22:19:51< RangerRick> another one? or do you mean 8f36? 1129000808 22:20:08< RangerRick> ah, 8f36 1129000834 22:20:34 * akh was only up to *35 1129001626 22:33:46-!- shres [n=sshreyas@59.92.145.142] has joined #fink 1129002209 22:43:29-!- dmacks_away is now known as dmacks 1129002267 22:44:27 * dmacks will cross nursery rhymes for fun and profit:) 1129002283 22:44:43-!- RangerRick is now known as RangerAway 1129002936 22:55:36-!- dmacks [n=dmacks@pdpc/supporter/active/dmacks] has quit ["leaving"] 1129003280 23:01:20< nnutter> I am trying to install xorg but I had already installed X11 and X11-SDK from Apple so I am trying to figure out how to remove them. Is this page's method ok? http://forums.macosxhints.com/archive/index.php/t-11736.html 1129003299 23:01:39< nnutter> I am doing a source only install should I have X11-SDK installed or not? 1129003309 23:01:49< nnutter> I am trying to do xorg + applex11tools 1129004071 23:14:31-!- shres [n=sshreyas@59.92.145.142] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 1129004114 23:15:14-!- tree [n=user@qqq.rh.rit.edu] has joined #fink 1129004121 23:15:21-!- tree [n=user@qqq.rh.rit.edu] has left #fink ["ERC Version 5.0.4 $Revision: 1.726.2.19 $ (IRC client for Emacs)"] 1129004483 23:21:23< nnutter> OK how about a different question, will having X11-SDK conflict with xorg in any way? 1129004542 23:22:22-!- htodd [i=htodd@i8u.org] has joined #fink 1129004571 23:22:51< htodd> no dmacks 1129004843 23:27:23< htodd> he broke shared-mime-info 1129004848 23:27:28-!- htodd [i=htodd@i8u.org] has left #fink [] 1129005021 23:30:21-!- shres [n=sshreyas@59.92.151.66] has joined #fink 1129006429 23:53:49-!- Clef [n=Clef@69-167-25-3.stmnca.adelphia.net] has joined #fink --- Log closed Tue Oct 11 00:00:34 2005 .