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00:05:30< moodsoft> cool thanks
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00:13:41< asari> moodsoft: well, then, it writes: "At the moment, GRAMPS still doesn't work on OS X"... :(
00:21:11< moodsoft> lol
00:26:52< baba> back from reality
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00:31:34< moodsoft> I wish there was a free RAD development tool available, I could attempt to make my own software to fill this need
00:33:46< baba> something like WideStudio?
00:35:21< moodsoft> I never heard of WideStudio
00:37:25< baba> www.widestudio.org
00:37:48< moodsoft> at first glance it looks neat. I'd just have to learn one of the languages it supports lol
00:38:07< moodsoft> I know Pascal and PHP at the moment
00:38:31< baba> hehe
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00:43:37< moodsoft> does anyone really use ruby to write in?
00:43:54< baba> ruby is popular in japan
00:46:21< moodsoft> cool
00:56:48< moodsoft> I've never heard of OCaml
01:06:46< baba> me either
01:07:25< moodsoft> since widestudio needs to run x11 on the mac, can it make totally native aqua based apps?
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01:09:01< baba> they tried, and never succeeded
01:09:17< baba> we have XCode anyway
01:10:14< moodsoft> w/ XCode can you draw screens?
01:11:19< baba> draw screens?
01:11:32< moodsoft> design screens
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01:33:48-!- Topic for #fink: Have a question? Check the FAQ: http://fink.sf.net/faq || Latest Installers: 0.6.4 (10.2), 0.7.2 (10.3), 0.8.0 (10.4) || Fink 0.24.10: Cameloparadalis
01:33:48-!- Topic set by akh [] [Thu Aug 25 10:00:59 2005]
01:33:48[Users #fink]
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01:33:48-!- Channel #fink created Sun Aug  3 17:57:20 2003
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01:34:27< baba> liviud: check FAQ5.25
01:35:05< liviud> thanks
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01:36:59< liviud> fink selfupdate usually update itself and all the other installed packages too?
01:37:04< liviud> s/update/updates
01:37:27< liviud> anyway the point was, do i need to selfupdate every time i add a tree in /sw/etc/fink.conf ?
01:45:53< moodsoft> thanks for the help baba. I'm off to bed now
01:46:11< baba> i think so, but do you add a tree frequently?
01:46:12 * asari back from bed
01:46:18< baba> moodsoft: g'night
01:46:21< baba> asari: ohayou
01:46:29< asari> moodsoft: night
01:46:40< asari> baba: morning :)
01:46:45< moodsoft> asari: whoops meant to say night to you :-)
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01:46:53< liviud> baba: no, but i'm trying to add unstable/main for like 15 minutes and i can't make it.
01:47:29< liviud> and that's because i'm not letting fink compile all the shit it depends on
01:47:41< liviud> why can't I get it via apt-get?
01:47:55< baba> cos it's unstable
01:48:12< liviud> everything that's unstable isn't binary available?
01:48:21< baba> correct
01:48:27< liviud> oh come on
01:48:41< liviud> then what's stopping me from using darwinports? :P
01:49:30< asari> if you give us positive feedback, we can move it to stable, then binary distribution :)
01:49:44< liviud> oh well, I'll give it a try  _again_,if anything else fails I'll go back to dports :P
01:50:08< liviud> ah cool
01:50:28< liviud> at least it's getting it's normal dependencies in binary format if it's available
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01:56:47< liviud> I'm starting to like it :-)
01:57:10< baba> nice :)
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02:04:02< JosephSpiros> Mm, finally the server is responding
02:04:03< JosephSpiros> http://people.imendio.com/mitch/screenshots/gimp-on-os-x.png
02:06:55< liviud> that runs under x11.app?
02:07:10< asari> native GTK+ on Aqua :)
02:07:14< JosephSpiros> No, native port
02:07:18< liviud> oh, cool.
02:07:28< liviud> I didn't know there's a native port for gtk.
02:07:34< JosephSpiros> there wasn't
02:07:36< JosephSpiros> well, there was gtk+osx
02:07:40< JosephSpiros> which was carbon-based
02:07:45< JosephSpiros> and gtk 1.x
02:07:48< JosephSpiros> but this is something new
02:07:49< liviud> and port is kinda improper said, it's more like "adaptation" :)
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02:08:10< JosephSpiros> how is port improper? :p
02:08:45< liviud> or yeah in that case port is okay :)
02:09:02< liviud> adaptation would be like "porting" irssi to compile/run under osx.
02:09:23< JosephSpiros> I think if it require whole new support code
02:09:26< JosephSpiros> it's a port :)
02:09:41< JosephSpiros> and that includes irssi if irssi requires patches to run on os x
02:09:47< JosephSpiros> but I don't think it does
02:10:16< baba> fink install irssi
02:10:47< JosephSpiros> ?
02:10:59< JosephSpiros> I'm aware of how to install irssi with fink
02:11:23< JosephSpiros> what I'm saying though is if there are actual patches to the source to get irssi to run properly on OS X/Darwin, then yes, I'd call that a port
02:11:36< JosephSpiros> if there's just different makefiles or compiler arguments
02:11:40< JosephSpiros> I wouldn't call that a port
02:12:40< baba> well, it wasn't more than a joke
02:13:05< baba> i should have said "fink dumpinfo irssi" or something :p
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02:40:47< liviud> pampadam
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03:26:53< spiral> hi
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04:41:47< spiral> hi again
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1128782225 09:37:05< akh> mmm...Case-sensitve HFS+, 10.4.3 seed, and XCode2.2pre2.  Living on the edge. ;-)
1128782275 09:37:55< asari> good midnight, akh
1128782319 09:38:39< akh> Hi asari
1128782515 09:41:55< akh> heh:  /me forgot how an application that I just wrote actually works. ;-)
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1128786222 10:43:42< akh> Talk about a non-graceful exit.
1128786234 10:43:54< akh> (program quit and logged me out in the process)
1128786469 10:47:49< pogma> heh "Bye akh" says program :)
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1128787003 10:56:43< akh> pogma: pretty much
1128787022 10:57:02 * akh will try a rebuild and submit a report on the tracker if it still sucks ass.
1128787038 10:57:18< akh> That's too unstable even for us. ;-)
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1128787338 11:02:18< akh> nope--still bad
1128787605 11:06:45< akh> Maybe it just needs to change "Exit" to "Exit with a vengeance!"
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1128791861 12:17:41< cirdan> hey
1128791906 12:18:26< akh> hey
1128792074 12:21:14 * cirdan is making a run to radioshack
1128792077 12:21:17< cirdan> yay!
1128792094 12:21:34< newmanbe> Get me a NIC that works with NetBSD.
1128792103 12:21:43< newmanbe> And a ~10 foot ethernet cable. :)
1128792111 12:21:51< cirdan> wireless router and some dvdrs
1128792113 12:21:53< cirdan> :-D
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1128792133 12:22:13< akh> cirdan: mmm...wireless
1128792145 12:22:25< newmanbe> Eew. Wireless.
1128792177 12:22:57< cirdan> heh
1128792181 12:23:01< cirdan> better than cellular
1128792183 12:23:03< cirdan> GRPS crap
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1128792189 12:23:09< newmanbe> I suppose.
1128792203 12:23:23< akh> newmanbe: and you don't have to lug a cable around when you go from room to room.
1128792216 12:23:36< cirdan> there are no places to plug cables in at here...
1128792224 12:23:44< newmanbe> akh: I would be luggin the monitor and friends too.
1128792237 12:23:57< newmanbe> Unless you feel like buying me a third power adapter for my iBook.
1128792257 12:24:17< akh> cirdan: Ah.  Yeah that would make it hard.
1128792263 12:24:23< newmanbe> Or feel like getting a car to fit inside. The auto-adapter still works.
1128792279 12:24:39< cirdan> heh
1128792315 12:25:15< akh> newmanbe: Sure.  I'll put the money online and you can gopher it. ;-)
1128792329 12:25:29< newmanbe> What's the limit on your credit card?
1128792340 12:25:40< akh> Probably not enough.
1128792340 12:25:40< newmanbe> Mother's maiden name? Social Security number?
1128792360 12:26:00< akh> bbb, pi
1128792363 12:26:03< newmanbe> Not enough mothers? Poor akh. ;)
1128792363 12:26:03< rudy> yea, akh is a poor phd student
1128792382 12:26:22< cirdan> heh
1128792386 12:26:26< akh> Worse:  poor Ph.D. researcher.
1128792409 12:26:49< rudy> which means you're already in possession of your phd?
1128792421 12:27:01< akh> Yup, and a mortgage, and my wife's student loans...
1128792440 12:27:20< akh> All the stuff I didn't have as a student.
1128792446 12:27:26< rudy> i guess it all makes sense then, and continues to prove my theory that people with phds are retarded :)
1128792460 12:27:40< akh> Arguably.  ;-)
1128792484 12:28:04 * akh hopes my repartitioning attempt will work _this_ time...
1128792511 12:28:31< akh> (non-Mac)
1128792525 12:28:45< rudy> sounds like time for a little suicide
1128792534 12:28:54< newmanbe> !make akh a shrink
1128792534 12:28:54 * Melian whips up a shrink for akh real quick.
1128792583 12:29:43 * akh isn't that despondent...it's only a hard disk.  :-)  I can always buy another disk for cheap.
1128792622 12:30:22< newmanbe> gopherd: Ooh, the public radio show want their pets to call in for the pledge drive.
1128792625 12:30:25< newmanbe> You should call.
1128792648 12:30:48< newmanbe> (Their pets being other people's pets.)
1128792655 12:30:55 * akh already pledged to my local stations.
1128792702 12:31:42< akh> But since the wife would like us to go back to Wisconsin, I'll have to remember that.
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1128792717 12:31:57< newmanbe> Hehe.
1128792726 12:32:06< akh> She'd totally go for it.
1128792746 12:32:26< newmanbe> Larry Meuller wants you back. ;)
1128792780 12:33:00< akh> heh
1128792857 12:34:17< akh> *sigh*  I seemingly can't resize that partition, and my software is the newest version they offer.
1128792870 12:34:30< newmanbe> Sounds like Disk Utility.app.
1128792877 12:34:37< akh> Yeah, but it's Windows
1128792897 12:34:57< akh> I'm trying to do a nondestructive repartion.
1128792903 12:35:03< akh> repartition
1128793036 12:37:16< akh> hmmm...here's one that got a good rating...
1128793068 12:37:48< rudy> akh: best way to figure out what the pwd is in a cli program?
1128793103 12:38:23< akh> I always just use 'pwd'
1128793109 12:38:29 * newmanbe too. :)
1128793292 12:41:32 * rudy goes and tries to find the header
1128793460 12:44:20< akh> The length's that I'll go to for a big display and keyboard...
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1128793492 12:44:52< sportman> hey
1128793495 12:44:55< sportman> umm
1128793498 12:44:58< sportman> i got a few questions
1128793512 12:45:12< sportman> is there a way to add repositories to fink
1128793523 12:45:23< newmanbe> Yes.
1128793528 12:45:28< sportman> ok
1128793537 12:45:37< sportman> oh, and how hard is it to compile fink from source?
1128793556 12:45:56< sportman> also, im kinda also running darwinports, is it that hard to make them not conflict?
1128793563 12:46:03< sportman> sorry 4 the crapload of questions
1128793571 12:46:11< newmanbe> Fink should not conflict with anything.
1128793583 12:46:23< newmanbe> Unless you install it in a non-standard place.
1128793637 12:47:17< newmanbe> Unless you are running the "unstable" version, you do not need to compile Fink from source.
1128793707 12:48:27< sportman> well i want to run the unstable version
1128793719 12:48:39 * sportman likesn the bleeding edge
1128793722 12:48:42< sportman> *likes
1128793736 12:48:56< sportman> can i compile it from terminal
1128793741 12:49:01< sportman> or would i need to use xcode
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1128793760 12:49:20< newmanbe> Fink runs scripts to compile programs automatically.
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1128793846 12:50:46< akh>  Hmm...plug in net cable and something locks up...
1128793871 12:51:11< akh> And I didn't even get the "File a bug with Apple" window.
1128793888 12:51:28< sportman> no i meant
1128793892 12:51:32< sportman> when compiling fink
1128793893 12:51:33< sportman> itself
1128793895 12:51:35< sportman> from source
1128793928 12:52:08< newmanbe> You should not need to do that, unless you are running the unstable version.
1128793938 12:52:18< sportman> again
1128793939 12:52:19< newmanbe> And it is easiest to download the binary first.
1128793939 12:52:19< sportman> i do
1128793945 12:52:25< sportman> i want to run the unstable version
1128793953 12:52:33< newmanbe> !tell sportman about unstable
1128793953 12:52:33< sportman> lol
1128794023 12:53:43< akh> sportman: you have to install XCode to do anything with Fink that involves compiling.
1128794041 12:54:01< sportman> kk
1128794045 12:54:05 * sportman is on it
1128794050 12:54:10< sportman> i got xcode
1128794051 12:54:11< sportman> :-P{
1128794054 12:54:14< sportman> :-p
1128794055 12:54:15< sportman> installed 
1128794098 12:54:58< akh> Compiling fink from source is pretty easy--you just need "make" and a non-broken perl.
1128794148 12:55:48< akh> Perl weirdness is a major cause of problems in building fink.
1128794163 12:56:03< sportman> ahh
1128794164 12:56:04< sportman> i c
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1128794318 12:58:38< akh> As for conflicts with darwinports--it's a package-by-package issue.   Some packages don't notice darwinports-installed libraries and headers, some do.
1128794490 13:01:30< sportman> k
1128794499 13:01:39< sportman> do they have a pearpc package for fink?
1128794535 13:02:15< sportman> fink is a ppc only binary right?
1128794550 13:02:30< akh> (re pearpc) No.  But isn't that to _emulate_ a mac?
1128794560 13:02:40< sportman> yea
1128794561 13:02:41< akh> And fink binaries are indeed PPC-only.
1128794562 13:02:42< sportman> itd b kool
1128794575 13:02:55< sportman> running
1128794580 13:03:00< sportman> 2 osx's
1128794584 13:03:04< sportman> on my powerbook
1128794584 13:03:04< sportman> :-P
1128794591 13:03:11< sportman> thinkabout it
1128794620 13:03:40< akh> Yeah, but the second would be hideously slow.
1128794713 13:05:13< newmanbe> lol. I am looking at a Ethernet card that install in "Pentium/Pentium Pro or Pentium II PC with PCI expansion slots"
1128794732 13:05:32< newmanbe> But also supports Mac OS 9, Mac OS X 10.1.
1128794753 13:05:53< akh> heh--at least it's not ISA.
1128794786 13:06:26 * newmanbe goes to measure how long and Ethernet cable he needs.
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1128795335 13:15:35< akh> newmanbe: 100'---that should cover it.  ;-)
1128795354 13:15:54< newmanbe> That would be expensive.
1128795364 13:16:04< newmanbe> Wouldn't need wireless with that. :)
1128795364 13:16:04< akh> Ah, yeah, good point.
1128795385 13:16:25< akh> Probably not, unless you walk around pillars or something...
1128795390 13:16:30< newmanbe> Then I could use NetBSD on my Mac and it'd be bye bye Fink, and you wouldn't want that nwo woudl you?
1128795405 13:16:45< newmanbe> Yes, I walk around when I use the desktop computer. :-p
1128795465 13:17:45< akh> hehe
1128795570 13:19:30< newmanbe> So I can get the cheaper card at Best Buy and a cheaper cable at Radio Shack.
1128795575 13:19:35< newmanbe> !wack newmanbe for using HTTP
1128795684 13:21:24 * akh is shocked, truly shocked.  :O 
1128795739 13:22:19< newmanbe> Yes, HTTP is for all that comercial junk.
1128795758 13:22:38< newmanbe> No Best Buy, I won't enable JavaScript.
1128795771 13:22:51< newmanbe> I guess I won't see what's on page two.
1128795786 13:23:06< akh> awww!
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1128799701 14:28:21< sid77_> (back
1128799703 14:28:23< sid77_> hell
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1128799763 14:29:23< sid77> sportman, if you want to emulate another powerpc in your powerbook try Mac-on-mac: it's the osx port of Mac-on-linux
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1128801155 14:52:35< vasi> yeesh
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1128809759 17:15:59< newmanbe> !alicekill NetInfo
1128809759 17:15:59< Melian> I want to kill NetInfo, I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill NetInfo. Kill. I wanna see NetInfo's blood and gore and guts and have NetInfo's veins in my teeth.  Eat NetInfo's dead burnt body.  I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL! and I jump around with newmanbe, yelling "KILL, KILL"
1128809903 17:18:23< cirdan> !camelsmite NetInfo
1128809903 17:18:23 * Melian smites NetInfo with the flies of a thousand camels.
1128810085 17:21:25< newmanbe> I might just make it use /etc/passwd
1128810175 17:22:55< cirdan> hah
1128810202 17:23:22< newmanbe> I doubt it would like that though.
1128810219 17:23:39< newmanbe> It'd probably try to take over the world then that little NetInfo.
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1128811329 17:42:09< newmanbe> sportman}brb: You appear to be back already. :)
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1128811340 17:42:20< sportman> yea
1128811341 17:42:21< sportman> no kidding
1128811342 17:42:22< sportman> lol
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1128819784 20:03:04< zizban> hnmmm nitrogen dioxide
1128819806 20:03:26< cirdan> mmm
1128819819 20:03:39< baba> hm?
1128819840 20:04:00< newmanbe> !sing baba a lullebye
1128819864 20:04:24< baba> NO2?
1128820027 20:07:07< zizban> ya,,,I'm looking at a doomsday scenario and no2 plays a big part
1128820048 20:07:28< newmanbe> Do tell. :)
1128820053 20:07:33< The_Tick> heh
1128820063 20:07:43< The_Tick> you can buy enough stuff to blow up all of new york from feed stores
1128820094 20:08:14< newmanbe> It might be a good idea for a World Wide Web-loving world. :`(
1128820109 20:08:29< zizban> I was reading an article in Astronomy about Gamma Ray Bursts
1128820120 20:08:40< zizban> and its affect if it was close by, say 6500 light years
1128820121 20:08:41< The_Tick> the stuff from the ok city bombing was from feed stores
1128820221 20:10:21< zizban> yummy
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1128831052 23:10:52< baba> hmm i really need 'BuildConflicts: %n-dev (<< %v)' to work
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