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08:18:32< akh> morning (my time)
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08:26:06< chris01> hi akh
08:26:49< akh> hi
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08:35:56 * akh identifies with today's Dilbert cartoon.
08:38:40 * akh should put that in our FAQ somewhere.  :-)
08:39:40< RangerRick> haha, yeah
08:40:36< akh> That'd be a way to clear out the n00bs. 
08:42:48< akh> ooh--forgot to flush XCode2.1 before installing 2.2prev2.  Hope that doesn't cause nastiness...
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08:58:00< _Andi_> hi
08:58:17< _Andi_> can anyone give me a hint how to register Fink in Growl?
08:58:41< _Andi_> somebody said I have to install some perl bindings?
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08:59:38< _Andi_> RangerRick: do you know something about that?
08:59:46< akh> _Andi_: Do you have the appropriate mac-growl-pm package installed, too.
08:59:48< akh> ?
09:00:02< _Andi_> i did not install Growl via Fink
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09:00:29< _Andi_> ok, I'm gonna install that package
09:00:48< akh> It's the Fink package for the Perl bindings.
09:01:04< _Andi_> ah, thanks
09:01:39< akh> I _think_ that's all you need--it's been a while since I installed that.
09:02:50< _Andi_> hm, it does not find Growl, on which this depends, since I did not install that via Fink
09:03:27< akh> No, that's not what happened.  Current versions of fink detect growl.
09:03:43< akh> We don't provide a package for Growl.
09:04:04< _Andi_> Failed: Can't resolve dependency "growl (>= 0.7-1)" for package "mac-growl-pm581-0.7-10" (no matching packages/versions found)
09:04:28< RangerRick> _Andi_: you need to install growl manually yourself, first
09:04:29< RangerRick> and make sure it's installed system-wide
09:04:36< RangerRick> not just for your user (or fink won't be able to find it)
09:04:48< _Andi_> ah, this is the reason
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09:10:36< _Andi_> ok, Thanks... @RangerRick: The_Tick told me I should ask you
09:13:20< RangerRick> I thought we'd documented that somewhere, but it looks like no.  I'll update fink.conf's doc to mention it, at least
09:13:38< _Andi_> yeah, that'd be great
09:14:00< RangerRick> that'd be a good thing to have on the wiki, actually  :)
09:14:48< _Andi_> oh, there is a Wiki for Fink? cool
09:14:55< akh> !wiki
09:15:03< akh> oops--forgot
09:15:47< akh> http://wiki.opendarwin.org/index.php/Fink
09:16:18< akh> heh--just found a great failure mode.
09:16:45< akh> If you do a "fink selfupdate" while in the middle of building fink, the buildlock catches it.
09:18:54< akh> It's a "good thing" ;-)
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09:24:48 * akh wonders if the next fink will be fink-0.24.11-* or fink-0.25.*.
09:25:18< akh> (only because I want to update wget)
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09:33:43 * akh requests feedback for a not-so-popular package.
09:34:08< akh> (and if I don't get any, I may just move the damn thing to stable)
09:43:32< RangerRick> there: http://wiki.opendarwin.org/index.php/Fink:Notification_Plugins
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09:44:11< akh> RangerRick: looks straightforward
09:53:39< asari> hi all
09:54:16< asari> ah, growl is virtual package...
09:54:50< asari> fink says Failed: Can't resolve dependency "growl (>= 0.7-1)" for package "mac-growl-pm586-0.7-10" (no matching packages/versions found)!
09:55:12< asari> we should revise the error message.
09:57:05< pogma> asari: you may not know it, but the todai team is quite welcome to hack on fink the program... :)
09:58:00< asari> :)
09:58:22< RangerRick> hm, how do I make things not wrap in a man page?  trying to update fink.conf.5 and get:
09:58:25< RangerRick>            plugins".  See the wiki at http://wiki.opendar-
09:58:28< RangerRick>            win.org/index.php/Fink:Notification_Plugins for more information on
09:58:30< RangerRick>            what the plugins do and how to configure them.
09:58:36< RangerRick> which is not terribly useful  :)
09:59:12< lisppaste> dmacks pasted "Current growl failure message" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/12329
09:59:16< dmacks> asari: Is that better?
09:59:38< asari> dmacks: Great!
09:59:53< asari> is that already available in HEAD?
10:00:22< baba> todai team will hack fink, darwin and the whole mac world
10:00:36< RangerRick> I thought that stuff was in 0.24
10:01:02< dmacks> asari: I *think* it's in 0.24
10:01:02< RangerRick> that was done quite a long time ago
10:01:08< dmacks> yeah
10:01:11< asari> wow, I'm from the ancient world
10:02:29 * asari selfupdates myself
10:06:24< jack-> is there any apt frontend in fink? like aptitude, synaptic etc etc?
10:06:27< jack-> i cant find anything :~
10:06:27< akh> http://fink.sourceforge.net/pdb/package.php/aptitude
10:07:32< jack-> oh nice
10:07:35< akh> and http://fink.sourceforge.net/pdb/package.php/synaptic
10:07:35< jack-> great
10:07:44< jack-> hopefully available for my 10.3 fink
10:07:46< akh> One more:  http://fink.sourceforge.net/pdb/package.php/kpackage
10:07:46< jack-> nice nice :)
10:07:48< akh> synaptic is 10.4 only--but I'm not sure if this is just due to a lack of a 10.3 box to test it on.
10:08:52< jack-> aptitude is good enough already :)
10:08:56< jack-> doing fink selfupdate now
10:09:40 * akh builds synaptic for the use of my binary box.
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10:24:13< runelind> hey finkers
10:24:33< dmacks> RangerRick: .nf and .ni delimit a paragraph that nroff will not rewrap.
10:24:47< akh> hey runelind
10:25:50< lisppaste> dmacks pasted "Only manual line breaks" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/12330
10:26:29< runelind> how goes it akh ?
10:27:00< akh> Not too bad.  You?
10:27:07< runelind> purdy good
10:27:09< runelind> TGIF
10:28:27 * akh has a late-afternoon seminar most every Friday during the academic term.  :-|  That puts a bit of a damper on the enjoyment.
10:28:30< runelind> gross
10:28:31< runelind> I'm the only person on my staff here today
10:28:35< runelind> so it should be interesting
10:28:46< akh> Sounds fun.
10:28:52< runelind> indeed...not
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10:34:54< RangerRick> dmacks: danke
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10:35:40< lisppaste> asari pasted "fink install growl mac-growl-pm586 failed" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/12331
10:38:05< asari> wee, too long logs ..?
10:41:38< RangerRick> ick
10:42:10< RangerRick> don't know, looks like we need help from the mac::growl folks for that one
10:42:19< asari> http://trac.growl.info/trac/ticket/330
10:43:52< asari> looks like a known problem..
10:46:12< RangerRick> hm, yeah
10:47:45< RangerRick> I told #growl that there's someone in here wit hthe problem if they want help debugging it  :)
10:48:10< asari> me!? heh
10:48:33< baba> go, asari go!
10:48:36< RangerRick> hehe
10:49:06< baba> asari: btw, i will be at todai on 12 (wed)
10:49:40< asari> baba: so you can join our BBQ party :)
10:49:55< baba> oh!
10:50:18< baba> free for new students? :p
10:50:40< asari> of cource if you want ;)
10:59:11< akh> hmmm...SF mail seems lagged (unless my messages are stuck being moderated)
10:59:16< RangerRick> no way!
10:59:52< akh> I'd have to vote 'way!' here.
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11:03:15< RangerRick> asari: could you annotate http://paste.lisp.org/display/12331 with the output of "perl -V"
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11:03:21< asari> k
11:04:17< lisppaste> asari annotated #12331 with "perl -V" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/12331#1
11:06:36< RangerRick> asari: `which perl`
11:06:52< RangerRick> oh, hah, didn't notice you'd joined #growl
11:07:10< The_Tick> yea, he did :)
11:07:21< asari> ah,.. sorry, just removed..
11:07:24< The_Tick> lol
11:08:46< lisppaste> asari annotated #12331 with "/usr/bin/perl is used" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/12331#2
11:08:50< asari> and forgot LANG=C :(
11:11:30< lisppaste> asari annotated #12331 with "ls -al /usr/bin/perl*" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/12331#3
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11:28:07< vasi> hey, did you guys see the Gtk-OS X news?
11:28:16< akh> No, what's up?
11:29:41< vasi> Immendio (the company backing gstreamer) are already mostly-through a port of Gtk to Cairo/Quartz
11:29:50< vasi> ie: no X11
11:29:54< akh> Mmmm....native Gimp.
11:30:10< runelind> gimpshop!
11:30:20< vasi> yeah, there's already a Gimp screenshot online somewhere
11:30:27< akh> GNOME-Aqua
11:30:28< vasi> http://micke.hallendal.net/archives/2005/10/gtk-macosx.html
11:30:35< runelind> I didn't think it looked a lot like photoshop
11:30:39< vasi> they haven't yet released source though :-/
11:30:45< runelind> I was still as confused as ever ;p
11:30:55< vasi> but they say they're just cleaning up the build process
11:31:03< dmacks> riiiight
11:31:09< akh> hehe
11:31:40< vasi> well the fact that they actually have Gimp running indicates they got farther than any of the other Gtk/OS X attempts
11:31:44< vasi> (hi max! :-)
11:31:55< dmacks> heh
11:32:16< dmacks> (URL no workie:(
11:32:19< akh> Yeah.  So when is KDE/Mac coming out? ;-)
11:32:32< vasi> akh, don't go there :-P
11:32:38< vasi> dmacks, yeah it took a while to load for me
11:32:38< akh> I winked.
11:34:27< runelind> in my dreams I dream of a dual core x86 mac that runs windows and OS X natively
11:34:40< vasi> you can already do that
11:34:45< vasi> well, somewhat illegally
11:34:57< runelind> yeah, illegally :)
11:34:57< dmacks> Maybe pogma's already cued his blog entry about KDE/Mac so now he's stuck waiting....
11:35:17< runelind> I have a P4 3.2ghz with 1gb of ram just waiting for osx86 :)
11:35:59< vasi> well here's the gimp shot at least: http://gimpfoo.de/2005/10/06/an-early-glance-at-gimp-on-os-x/
11:37:07< akh> that's lagged, too--/. effect?
11:37:55< dmacks> And bash isn't responding at all. WTF's up with the intarweb thingy today?
11:38:05< runelind> level3 broke it
11:38:36< dmacks> Oh yeah. /me forgot.
11:44:35< vasi> i don't think it's on /.
11:44:45< vasi> could be level3, i dunno
11:47:39< akh> ah
11:47:45< akh> Just loaded--looks good.
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11:52:05 * akh is spending far too much time adding features to a GUI app that only I am likely to use.
11:52:53< dmacks> Think about how much *more* time you'd be able to spend on it if you just passed off the actual work you're supposed to be using for to a grad student.
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11:53:40< akh> dmacks: Yeah, but I can't do that because it's for _my_ poster.
11:53:50< josef-uni> vasi: hi there
11:53:57< akh> They're all working on _their_ posters.
11:54:05< vasi> hi josef-uni 
11:55:14< dmacks> In the Real World, they'll have to be able to multitask...this would give them a head start
11:55:41< akh> dmacks: plus I don't trust them to do the analysis the way I want it done.
11:56:22< josef-uni> vasi: want to give the new ggz packages a try?
11:56:42< vasi> there's a new release? i've gotta sign up for the announce list or something
11:57:01< josef-uni> yeah - all packaing suggestions are now (hopefully) implemented, no more hacks needed
11:57:23< josef-uni> the debian/rules files are one line each, using a common include file
11:57:43< dmacks> Give 'em one shot at it (with instructions as ambiguous as possible) then when they screw up, fire 'em. This will also be good experience for the Real World. Plus they'll stop chewing up your lab budget and you can finally buy that Kegerator?
11:58:03< vasi> josef-uni: any packaging changes i should be aware of?
11:59:20< josef-uni> have a look at the --enable-noregistry configure switch... otherwise it is mostly still the same
11:59:26< josef-uni> oh, and the popt library is not needed anymore
11:59:56< vasi> cool, less dependencies are always nice
12:01:15< vasi> alright, well it's on my todo list...which means i'll get to it, can't say when for sure
12:01:38< josef-uni> ok thanks
12:02:00< josef-uni> the power adapter of my iBook broke :(
12:02:09< josef-uni> hopefully by monday I'll have a new one
12:02:24< vasi> ack, that sucks
12:02:30< vasi> they're very fragile
12:04:06< vasi> hey, do you guys still not have a debian maintainer?
12:04:26< vasi> you guys == the ggz team
12:05:23< josef-uni> we do have an uploader now.. I submitted the packages and hope they'll get in soon
12:05:33< josef-uni> the old ones are already removed from the archive
12:06:32< josef-uni> I thought netsnipe wanted to maintain them but he seems to be MIA :(
12:06:32< josef-uni> it should be easier to find someone with the new easier packaging
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12:06:44< vasi> alright...i was going to suggest you talk to the Ubuntu MOTU team
12:06:45< josef-uni> MOTU?
12:06:52< vasi> "Masters of the Universe" :-)
12:08:01< josef-uni> ah
12:08:01< vasi> they manage the 'universe' repository in Ubuntu
12:08:02< vasi> apparently they've been very active in getting stuff accepted into universe, and pushing changes upstream to debian
12:08:04 * akh pictures a bunch of ludicrously muscular programmers with various disfigurements that indicate their special powers.
12:08:04< josef-uni> nice to know
12:08:06< vasi> really large feet for the Gnome team?
12:08:19< vasi> :-P
12:08:27< akh> heh
12:08:51< vasi> thanks for the update josef :-)
12:08:51< josef-uni> de nada :)
12:16:38 * akh hopes there is no danger of a new bindist being released before October 31.
12:17:30< vasi> what's Oct 31?
12:17:30< akh> 'twould be nice to sync up some of the wiki stuff with the main docs.
12:17:37< vasi> (besides the obvious)
12:17:40< vasi> ah ok
12:17:46< akh> vasi: I get back from a conference then.
12:17:53< vasi> woo fun
12:18:11< akh> I'm not sure what kind of connectivity there will be.
12:18:35< akh> (or if my laptop won't decide to do something evil on me)
12:19:47 * akh remembers frantically trying to do x11 doc stuff 2 years ago when Panther came out while I was at a conference.
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12:38:00 * asari somewhat okay with growl.. goes to sleep
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12:40:30< akh> RangerRick carefully waits to come back until the Growl problem is resolved.  ;-)
12:41:01< asari> smart guy, RR :)
12:41:09< asari> if portaudio is updated, I would commit the new revision of OpenOffice.org..
12:41:29< asari> now it's 2.0RC1.
12:42:07< akh> sweet.
12:42:07< spiral> hi
12:42:20< asari> bye all
12:43:03< akh> spiral: hi
12:43:07< akh> asari: bye
12:44:16< RangerRick> akh: no, I went to lunch  :)
12:47:11< akh> Ah
12:47:14< akh> Figured it was actually something like that.  ;-)
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13:00:57< dmacks> vasi: You mind if I backport your class-date-pm 10.4T->10.3?
13:01:19< vasi> nope
13:01:23< vasi> go ahead
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13:03:11< vasi> dammit we need versioned provides in dpkg...can you imagine changing *every* dep on gtk+2?
13:03:40< dmacks> ?
13:04:50< vasi> if this native-gtk thing works out...we'd want to provide it as an option, no?
13:05:55< dmacks> *If* it's really a drop-in replacement, sure.
13:06:38< vasi> yes, granted that could be a big if
13:06:56< vasi> hmm, probably would actually have a different install_name
13:07:06< akh> Most likely.
13:07:42< dmacks> And if a pkg that uses x11 itself and also uses "graphics from gtk+" gets gtk-aqua, it could be Bad.
13:07:43< vasi> ok, forget i opened my big mouth then :-)
13:08:05< vasi> true dat
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13:08:21< vasi> btw, swf-file-pm* rocks...
13:08:25< dmacks> damn...was just about to cram this project in there:)
13:09:08< dmacks> Yeah!
13:09:22< dmacks> Is chrisdolan not bothering with 10.3 any more?
13:11:56< vasi> i dunno :-/
13:12:03< vasi> is christian swinehart still alive?
13:12:11< dmacks> i dunno
13:12:22< dmacks> Not recently IIRC
13:12:51< dmacks> How 'bout dsias?
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13:19:47< dmacks> Ifn you're lookin' for something more manageable, maybe see what's up with pwlib on Tiger?
13:20:47< asari> vasi: maybe no..
13:23:04< vasi> what's the symptom?
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13:26:56< dmacks> User reported it failed building due to socklen_t typedef mess.
13:27:23< dmacks> I tried just commenting out all the explicit typedef for it in the source, but akh said that failed to build (on Tiger) for some other reason.
13:27:33< akh> yup
13:28:09< vasi> hmm, i just #ifdef'd on the socklne
13:28:21< vasi> we'll see what happens next
13:28:25< dmacks> (builds fine on 10.3 with or without removal of the typedefs)
13:28:36< vasi> looks like it wants SDL installed?
13:28:43< akh> That silly, outmoded OS. ;-)
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13:31:12< vasi> dmacks, configure does a check for SDL but it's not a Dep or BDep
13:31:12< vasi> what's up with that?
13:31:13< dmacks> There is much wrong with the package, but at least we oughta have it compileable.
13:31:41< vasi> yeah well "whether it compiles" will probably depend what the user has installed
13:31:53< dmacks> (it also pulls expat and ldap libs and even fink's libcrypto!)
13:31:59< vasi> since different paths may be taken based on all kinds of missing BDeps
13:32:33< dmacks> Oh, and lib-unversioned links are in the -shlibs splitoff.
13:33:13< vasi> ugh
13:33:22< vasi> !lart pwlib's maintainer
13:33:23 * Melian readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at pwlib's maintainer
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13:34:04< vasi> and every symlink is declared separately in Shlibs: ?
13:34:22< dmacks> Looks like he committed it himself hit'n'run, andothers have been gradually fixing the most offensive errors as they get bitten by 'em.
13:35:23< vasi> NoSetCXXFLAGS ? is that legal?
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13:36:13< dmacks> I'm gonna say......no.
13:36:34< akh> Or at least immoral.
13:36:38< dmacks> Well actually yeah. It just avoids -I/sw/include
13:37:03< vasi> unless we changed something recently, that's NoSetCPPFLAGS
13:37:28< dmacks> Hmm interesting.
13:38:00< akh> 'tis fugly.
13:38:02< dmacks> Given that it links fink libs, I'd say it's Bad Idea to even attempt to not use fink headers anyway.
13:38:25< akh> One would think so, anyway.
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13:40:15< dmacks> Hey, the related package openh323 is similarly hose
13:40:17< dmacks> d
13:40:41< akh> Same maintainer?
13:40:46< dmacks> bingo
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13:41:23< akh> hmm
13:42:26 * akh wonders if the portaudio maintainer is still around--I'd kind of like to try the yet newer oo.org
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13:42:40< akh> (cf. asari's comment)
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13:43:19< dmacks> akh: new %v in -submissions. asari and I both commented on it there and found it in need of work.
13:43:42< akh> dmacks: ah--/me was too lazy to check -tracker. ;-)
13:44:07< dmacks> Why, is SF mail working again?
13:44:19< akh> maybe
13:45:04< akh> the portaudio item is there, anyway.
13:45:19< dmacks> Ha!--made ya look.
13:46:03< akh> :-P
13:46:18< dmacks> j/k:)   I just nuked the detritus from messing with it from my /tmp
13:51:09< akh> heh
13:54:51< vasi> hmm, with nothing at all installed, pwlib seems to be ok so far (except for socklen)
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13:55:21< akh> interesting
14:00:20< vasi> now it broke
14:02:06< dmacks> Well that's even less good:(
14:03:00< vasi> what's the header for dlopen?
14:03:48< dmacks> dlfcn.h
14:04:25< vasi> thanks
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14:05:37< akh> flaky as a croissant.
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14:07:30< dmacks> hehe:)
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14:23:48< vasi> so how do i test pwlib? (what does it do, anyhow? :-)
14:24:02< akh> dunno
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15:15:32< cirdan> hey all
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15:25:27< vasi> hey dmacks, i've got pwlib compiling
15:25:29< vasi> now how do i find out if it works?
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15:37:52< vasi> dmacks, failure to care :-)
15:37:58< vasi> i think either way would likely work
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15:38:36< dmacks> 'k:)
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15:47:19< dmacks> I'm implementing user-controllable logfile filenames. Should I prohibit writing to a file that already exists, or should I assume that if user says "write fink transcript to /etc/passwd" he knows what he's doing? If the latter, should we append or overwrite?
15:57:50< dmacks> Fine, we'll trust 'em.
16:06:16< akh> ???Noooo!!!! Never trust the users!
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16:40:30< vasi> dmacks, i say allow any file and append
16:40:44< newmanbe> dmacks: I would make them use an override argument or something if they want to over right a file.
16:41:05< newmanbe>  /etc/passwd only matters in single user mode anyway. :-p
16:41:15< newmanbe> s/over right/overwrite/
16:41:17< vasi> dmacks, i'm curious why we want/need user-defined logfiles though
16:41:33< newmanbe> Might not be for Fink.
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16:42:22< dmacks> I was thinking for automated building. Otherwise one can't know ahead-of-time what the logfile will be named.
16:43:12< dmacks> ...nor can you stash it in a particular place on your system.
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16:48:03< vasi> hmm...well you should probably make it able to include the time or something...since it's conceivable that some future version of fink (or some script that uses fink) will want to build the same package twice
16:48:26< dmacks> The default *does* include the time:)
16:49:23< dmacks> If you're overriding, you can pass `date` as part of the explicit filename. Hrm, guess we should shellquote it...
16:50:12< Bart_> boh!
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17:00:23< newmanbe> Bah black sheep!
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17:53:49< Murr> any ETA for moving libgettext3-dev into stable?
18:01:16< Bart_> anybody here with the fluxbox wm and apple x11 and xnest working?
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18:02:39 * spundun hopes someone is there...
18:03:03< spundun> Anyone ran into problem with values.h missing on mac?
18:04:31< spundun> maybe its more on topic on opendarwin
18:05:14< newmanbe> No.
18:05:44< newmanbe> But locate says I don't have it. :)
18:06:15< spundun> newmanbe: yeah... a package needs it
18:07:07< newmanbe> It's not on NetBSD either.
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18:12:00< Murr> what should values.h contain?
18:12:11< Murr> I don't think that's a standard header
18:12:25< Murr> probably a L!nuxism
18:12:36< Murr> like malloc.h (SPIT!)
18:16:56< spundun> Murr: yeah I had trouble with that also....
18:17:42< spundun> the answer is that I should use limits.h and/or float.h instead of values.h
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19:36:03< Bart_> bmm
19:36:16< Bart_> what must i add in my .xinitrc that i have the fink path
19:36:28< newmanbe> !xinitrc
19:36:29< Melian> i heard xinitrc is http://www.finkproject.org/doc/x11/run-xfree86.php#xinitrc
19:36:48< newmanbe> That applies to non-XFree86 too.
19:38:08< Bart_> boh
19:38:10< Bart_> thanks
19:42:25< Bart_> hmm i have now Xnest with fluxbox running... but one problem i have i cant change the position of the windows from xnest
19:42:33< Bart_> is there any thing i can do
19:43:54< newmanbe> Just word them as a question, don't use 'c' instead of 'see', 'u' instead of 'you', and put a question mark at the end of a question;  then it'll be easy for everyone to recognize it as such.
19:43:58< newmanbe> ;)
19:43:59< newmanbe> No idea. :)
19:47:18< zizban> I C
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20:30:32< cirdan> crap, texmacs don't build
20:34:57< newmanbe> s/don't/does not/
20:35:05< newmanbe> s/c/C/
20:35:09< newmanbe> s/$/\./
20:35:11< newmanbe> ;)
20:35:58< newmanbe> Okay, Finder is totally confused about the mounted drives.
20:39:23< cirdan> ah, it's ispell
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21:08:07< cirdan> !lart ispell breakage
21:08:08 * Melian slaps ispell breakage upside the head with a wet fish
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23:20:18< moodsoft> hi all, where can I find version 6.0.0 of  libiconv.2.dylib?
23:21:59< asari> moodsoft: my `otool -L /sw/lib/libiconv.2.dylib` returns:
23:22:02< asari>  /sw/lib/libiconv.2.dylib (compatibility version 6.0.0, current version 6.0.0)
23:25:47< moodsoft> ok, otool says the same to me, but when I attempt to run this one program I get: 
23:25:51< moodsoft>  Reason: Incompatible library version: gobject.so requires version 6.0.0 or later, but libiconv.2.dylib provides version 5.0.0
23:27:08< asari> see otool -L gobject.so
23:27:26< asari> maybe it links against /usr/lib/libiconv*
23:27:30< asari> I think.
23:28:23< moodsoft> well, its an x11 program I'm trying to run
23:29:01< asari> but BTW, the program you're trying is not Fink's package, isn't it?
23:29:13< moodsoft> yes it is
23:29:18< asari> what's the name?
23:29:24< moodsoft> gramps
23:30:09< asari> how about `fink install gramps` then?
23:30:16< asari> :)
23:30:31< moodsoft> I got it to install, it just won't run lol
23:32:12< asari> hmm. Fink's gramps is too old?
23:32:19< asari> http://fink.sourceforge.net/pdb/package.php/gramps
23:32:59< asari> 1.0.10-10.. looks like upstream has already 2.0.8
23:33:38< moodsoft> how would I go about installing the newest *nix version?
23:34:38< asari> fine, better if you are well familiar with unix style :)
23:35:10< asari> !build myself
23:35:18 * asari forgot the keyword
23:36:00< asari> http://fink.sourceforge.net/faq/usage-general.php?phpLang=en#compile-myself
23:36:03< moodsoft> so I should technically be able to download the newest version and compile it just like I was on linux?
23:36:13< asari> this FAQ will help yu.
23:36:17< asari> sure.
23:37:55< asari> whether or not you succeed, it's a good idea to contact the maintainer of Fink's gramps package.
23:38:07< asari> Ben Hines <bhinesATalumniDOTucsdDOTedu>.
23:38:19< moodsoft> yeah that's true
23:39:29< moodsoft> this is the output I get (in case anyone can help) when I try to run gramps:
23:39:33< moodsoft> ./gramps: line 1: 1: Permission denied
23:39:34< moodsoft> ./gramps: line 1: 1: Permission denied
23:39:34< moodsoft> ./gramps: line 46: 1: Permission denied
23:39:34< moodsoft> ./gramps: line 47: 1: Permission denied
23:39:34< moodsoft> Traceback (most recent call last):
23:39:34< moodsoft>   File "/sw/share/gramps/gramps.py", line 43, in ?
23:39:36< moodsoft>     import gtk.gdk
23:39:38< moodsoft>   File "/sw/lib/python2.3/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py", line 33, in ?
23:39:40< moodsoft>     import gobject as _gobject
23:39:42< moodsoft> ImportError: Failure linking new module: /sw/lib/python2.3/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gobject.so: Library not loaded: /sw/lib/libiconv.2.dylib
23:39:47< moodsoft>   Referenced from: /sw/lib/python2.3/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gobject.so
23:39:49< moodsoft>   Reason: Incompatible library version: gobject.so requires version 6.0.0 or later, but libiconv.2.dylib provides version 5.0.0
23:39:57< asari> !paste
23:39:58< Melian> lisppaste is a bot that lets you post large chunks of text without flooding the channel. Use it at http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink
23:40:30< asari> moodsoft: you can use this one :)
23:42:10< moodsoft> sorry 'bout that. if I otool gobject, I get: /sw/lib/libiconv.2.dylib (compatibility version 6.0.0, current version 6.0.0)
23:43:26< asari> hm.. no idea for me.
23:45:11< asari> but how about trying rebuild with CPPFLAGS and LDFLAGS, etc. set?
23:45:44< asari> I guess it would better something..
23:45:54< moodsoft> how wouuld I do that?
23:46:23< asari> please read the FAQ
23:46:44< asari> export CFLAGS=-I/sw/include before ./configure , for example 
23:48:01< asari> then make, make install.
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23:51:48< moodsoft> ok, to get the system to re-read my .profile, do I just open a new terminal window?
23:52:18< asari> aye
23:52:24< asari> yes
23:52:32< moodsoft> thanks
23:58:27< asari> moodsoft: have you read this page?: http://developers.gramps-project.org/tiki-index.php?page=Mac+OS+X
23:59:10< asari> I feel it's well-documented :)
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