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03:53:43< spiral> hi
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07:26:21< neogen> hey guys
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09:42:29< lane_> asari: you there?
09:42:37< asari> here!
09:42:49< lane_> Hiya.
09:42:59< asari> good evening :)
09:43:32< lane_> My compile of oo.o is still running after 27 hours. I was just wondering if you had any  idea how long  it might take total.
09:43:45< lane_> I'm on a 1.42 GHz G4 iBook with 1.5 GB RAM.
09:44:24< lane_> I just can't believe it's still compiling
09:45:57< asari> it's normal, i think :(
09:46:06< lane_> wow. ok
09:46:50< lane_> how long does it take for you?
09:47:31< asari> hmm, around 12 ~ 24 hours?
09:47:57< lane_> what's your machine?
09:48:16< asari> start compile, sleep 2 times, done ;)
09:48:22< lane_> hehe
09:48:35< asari> G5 with, .. let me see..
09:49:18 * asari executes /usr/bin/system_profiler
09:49:47< asari> Dual 2.5 GHz, with 4GB memory.
09:51:17< asari> on the other hand, with my personal iBook, it takes some days.
09:51:29< lane_> ok. well, I'll guess I'll hope for completion by this time tomorrow. :)
09:51:56< asari> I wish no errors! :)
09:52:28< lane_> you know, I was thinking. It might be helpful for us to post estimated package compilation times, ala SBUs in Linux from Scratch
09:52:49< asari> I don't know about SBUs.. 
09:53:16< lane_> they have you time how long it takes to build binutils
09:53:30< lane_> and call that time a Standard Build Unit
09:53:39< lane_> or SBU. 
09:53:55< lane_> for every other package, they list estimated build time in SBUs.
09:54:06< asari> my latest experimental .info records the start time and the finish time... but has never suceeded compilation, heh
09:54:53< asari> lane_: do you take a log of building?
09:55:14< asari> i mean, fink -Kk build openoffice.org 2>&1 | tee some.log
09:55:24< lane_> ah, no
09:55:33< lane_> I just do fink install openoffice.org
09:55:54< lane_> would you recommend logging?
09:56:07< asari> if possible.
09:56:38< asari> or are you using GNU screen?
09:57:27< lane_> no, I'm using iTerm
09:57:31< asari>  /usr/bin/screen.
09:57:52< lane_> is that a terminal emulator or a shell?
09:57:54< asari> with Ctrl-A shift-H, you can start logging anytime you like.
09:58:12< asari> um.. "terminal multiplexer"?
09:58:26< asari> iTerm may be fine, though
09:58:56< lane_> where would it log to if that worked
10:00:15< asari> iTerm? uh, I usually don't use iTerm..
10:00:24< lane_> ok. not important
10:00:46< lane_> With the SBUs binutils itself is obviously 1.0 SBU. In the Beyond Linux From Scratch book, they list oo.o 1.1.4 as 75 SBUs.
10:02:15 * asari googled
10:02:17< asari> SBU is a kind of unit! 
10:02:36< lane_> ah yes, sorry I thought I had said that
10:02:48< lane_> I guess it would just be nice if we could have fink say something like "Estimated build time for openoffice.org on this machine is approximately XX hours. Do you wish to continue?"
10:02:53< asari> you said ;)
10:03:31< asari> hmm, interesting.
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10:04:21< lane_> it might not be too hard to add. It would require a baseline, though, for your particular machine
10:04:38< lane_> so if you compile binutils, it could use that
10:05:38< lane_> it wouldn't have to be incredibly accurate. as long as it gave a ballpark figure it would be immensely helpful
10:06:12< asari> hm. so LFS people provides the list of SBU time.. and we can get from that database, and estimate time.
10:06:24< lane_> yup
10:06:42< asari> sounds good.
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10:07:13< lane_> if we wanted to get really fancy, we could have fink check how accurate the estimate compile time was after the compile and tell you 
10:07:19< asari> you mean this site?: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/~bdubbs/
10:07:55< lane_> ah, yes. I was actually looking at http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/
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10:08:12< lane_> but yes, that's the data
10:08:27< lane_> then there is also http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/stable
10:08:45< lane_> which has many more programs, including oo.o, gnome, and kde
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10:11:49< gecko2> http://ircstats.freeforge.net/fink-stats.html <-- if anyone want to see some stats for this channel
10:14:38< lane_> well, time for breakfast. I'll be back in a bit
10:16:06< lane_> asari: do you know who I should talk to about the possibility of adding something like SBU estimation to the fink code?
10:16:50< asari> here, and/or fink-devel ML, I think.
10:17:34< asari> I'm not sure about exactly who..
10:18:27< asari> RangerRick or someone?
10:20:09< lane_> ok
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10:33:08< RangerRick> asari: as I have no idea what SBU estimation is, I couldn't say
10:33:18< RangerRick> but fink-core is the best place to talk about the fink program itself
10:33:49< asari> Okay
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15:05:38< lane_> Hi all. It's me again. Well, after about 32 hours, fink has finally finished compiling openoffice.org for me!
15:05:58< lane_> Only problem is, I can't actually find the installed program anywhere
15:06:20< lane_> It should show up in the K Menu, right? And some oo... programs should be in /sw/bin?
15:08:34< lane_> asari: you there?
15:08:57< asari> here
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15:09:23< asari> 5:08 here. good sunday morning! ;)
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15:10:37< lane_> do you sleep?
15:10:50< lane_> :)
15:11:57< bmaret> is there a way to run x11 in rootless mode on :0.0 and in full screen on :0.1 *simultaneously* ?
15:12:14< lane_> asari: I figured it out. I see that the files start with s, not oo
15:12:34< asari> you mean scalc, etc?
15:12:42< lane_> yeah
15:12:51< lane_> I was thinking it should be oowriter, etc
15:12:53< asari> gentoo's files are ooffice, etc, 
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15:13:26< lane_> and nothing showed up in my K Menu for oo.o
15:14:10< lane_> but it looks good now that I got it launched :)
15:14:13< asari> I don't enable kde support.
15:14:24< asari> anyway, congraturations!
15:14:28< lane_> 32 hours on my 1.42 GHz G4 iBook with 1.5 GB RAM
15:14:44< lane_> it's OK - I can add the entries to the K Menu
15:15:25< asari> I mean kde-integrated appearance is not available.. 
15:15:41< asari> maybe. 
15:15:52 * asari has never used kde
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15:17:49< asari> lane_: you may want to know.. `dpkg -L openoffice.org` 
15:18:25< asari> this command shows the list of files which belongs to openoffice.org
15:18:47< lane_> ah 
15:18:51< lane_> that's good to know
15:19:13< asari> or dpkg -c /sw/fink/debs/openoffic*.deb
15:19:30< lane_> thanks for the help. I've gotta run now
15:19:55< asari> no problem.
15:20:07< asari> enjoy OpenOffice.org ;)
15:21:40< lane_> yup
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16:48:31< gopherd> Welcome back not-AOL drm!
16:48:49< drm> hello, gopherd
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17:38:28< JDStone> How do I install a package that isn't listed as stable, it's unstable?  as in this package: http://fink.sourceforge.net/pdb/package.php/dia
17:39:28< drm> there are two approaches: either you "enable the unstable tree" which makes all of the unstable packages available to you, or you copy some files into your /sw/fink/dists/local/main/finkinfo directory which makes only this package available to you
17:39:48< JDStone> how do I do both ways?
17:39:54< drm> the problem with the second approach, is that some unstable packages depend on others, and there is no easy way in advance to know how much you will need to copy
17:40:08< JDStone> oh, ok
17:40:14< JDStone> i'll just enable the unstable
17:40:19< drm> one of the methods is covered in the FAQ, but i can't remember which one :)
17:40:26< JDStone> i found it
17:40:26< JDStone> http://fink.sourceforge.net/faq/usage-fink.php?phpLang=en#unstable
17:42:36< JDStone> thanks drm 
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17:50:48< Albie> hmms
17:50:54< Albie> I can't get curl -f -L -O http://distfiles.bne.qld.au.finkmirrors.net/fink-mirrors-0.24.10.1.tar.gz
17:50:57< Albie> from any mirror :-|
17:51:15 * newmanbe blames HTTP.
17:51:42< Albie> hmms...
17:51:52< Albie> tried some more mirrors and found one working :)
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17:52:08< JDStone> what does this mean: "WARNING: You are using a version of gcc which is known to produce incorrect
17:52:08< JDStone> output from C++ code under certain circumstances."
17:52:12< JDStone> and how do I upgrade
17:53:59< drm> how did you install gcc? which version of OS X are you using?
17:55:04< JDStone> I don't know how I installed, oh probably the developer tools
17:55:12< drm> yup
17:55:22< JDStone> I've got OS X 10.3.9
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17:57:40< drm> look for the latest XCode 1.x at connect.apple.com
18:02:41 * drm rings pogma's alarm clock
18:13:04< pogma> hi
18:13:29< pogma> drm: What did/didn't I do?
18:13:39< drm> pogma, i'm trying to package something (well, really, fix somebody else packaging) in which libtool isn't working right
18:13:49< drm> 1.5.6 i believe
18:14:03< drm> it claims that shared libs cannot be prodcued on this platform
18:14:26< pogma> that's strange
18:14:49< drm> yeah... i tried to read the code and chase through the variables, and it seems ok
18:15:04< pogma> where is the package?
18:15:17< drm> well, let me mail you a version of it
18:15:55< pogma> okay, it's sunday morning and I'm taking it easy though, so I might not get anything done 'til tonight :)
18:16:12< drm> sure, understood
18:16:39< drm> i've got a version which makes the shared libs by hand, which will do for now, but ultimately we need to fix it to do things right
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18:28:40< pogma> drm: Ah, okay, found it
18:29:55< drm> cool
18:30:53< drm> what is it? :)
18:30:59< pogma> Hmm, maybe not :)
18:31:17< pogma> They hack libtool so it does not check c++ and fortran compilers
18:31:22< pogma> I thought I had it
18:31:39< pogma> but it still says "no" :(
18:33:33< drm> why do people hack libtool? don't they know better?
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18:35:18< RangerRick> http://ranger.befunk.com/misc/mulletpresentation3.pdf
18:35:39< RangerRick> drm: pogma doesn't  ;)
18:35:49< lisppaste> pogma pasted "mpfr diff" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/12129
18:36:10< drm> no, i mean, people who don't know what they're doing :)
18:36:58< drm> pogma: wow
18:37:03< RangerRick> ;)
18:37:55< drm> pogma: thanks... is that the result of their hack? what kind of bug report should i send them?
18:38:00< pogma> Think is, I've seen it before, but it took me a few minutes to realize.
18:38:07< pogma> Update libtool
18:38:18< drm> ah, ok
18:38:40< pogma> My fault, but I fixed it last year sometime
18:39:02< drm> i will ask them to update...thanks again
18:39:46< drm> rangerrick: that's original to you? its hilarious!
18:40:19< RangerRick> no, it's not
18:40:41< RangerRick> friend of my girlfrien' sent it to her, just needed to put it somewhere public  :)
18:40:48< drm> well, its still hilarious!
18:42:50< RangerRick> yes, it is
18:43:00 * newmanbe moves lisppaste aside.
18:43:03< RangerRick> I hope someone got an A++ for that in school  :)
18:43:10< newmanbe> Be the first to test the newest pastebin!
18:43:34< newmanbe> Just ssh to pastebin@ignous-rock.homeunix.net with the password gopherrules ! 8)
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18:45:28< RangerRick> newmanbe: you love replacing things that already work with gopher, don't you?  :)
18:45:44< newmanbe> Lisppaste works with Gopher?
18:45:49< drm> low battery...bbl
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18:46:07< RangerRick> replacing things that already work / with gopher
18:46:22< RangerRick> not replacing things / that already work with gopher
18:46:22< newmanbe> Ah, yes. :)
18:48:53< newmanbe> It was also an interesting project, Gopher aside. :)
18:49:17< RangerRick> pastebins are a wonderful invention
18:49:36< RangerRick> and I've gotta say, lisppaste is one of the best I've seen
18:49:42< newmanbe> I learned how irritating NetInfo is. :)
18:50:42< RangerRick> heh
18:50:46 * newmanbe wonders if one can make a IRC-bot using shell script.
18:50:56< RangerRick> I learned how much is missing from scons and bksys  :)
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18:51:18< RangerRick> been working on kde4 build system on osx
18:51:21< RangerRick> whee
18:51:29< newmanbe> !comfort RangerRick 
18:51:29< Melian> There, there, RangerRick.  It's OK.  I'm here for you.
18:52:04< newmanbe> !make RangerRick a shrink
18:52:04 * Melian whips up a shrink for RangerRick real quick.
18:52:06< newmanbe> :)
18:53:34< newmanbe> Just in case you need it. ;)
18:54:04< RangerRick> too late
18:54:09< RangerRick> I've shrunk enough
18:54:25< newmanbe> Hehe.
18:54:42< newmanbe> Anything else that works that doesn't need replacing with something Gopher for you? 8)
19:01:54< pogma> iMovie
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19:02:35< newmanbe> iMovie?
19:04:42< pogma> replace it with gopher, thanks
19:05:21< newmanbe> Ah, umm, okay.
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20:29:38< lane_> Hi all. I'm trying to add OpenOffice.org to my KDE menu, but I can't seem to get any changes to stick. Does anybody have any ideas why I can't change the KDE menu items?
20:30:29< newmanbe> I had a problem with that when I still used KDE.
20:30:39< newmanbe> I was using an older version of KDE though.
20:30:44 * newmanbe shrugs.
20:30:48< newmanbe> It might be a permissions issue.
20:30:59< lane_> yeah, I'm using the latest KDE in unstable
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20:32:11< lane_> I thought about that. I own my .kde folder, but I'm looking to try to find what subfolder the KDE menu items are in
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22:11:50< pogma> drm: Hi
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23:33:33< drm> hi
23:34:10< drm> (sorry, this window was hidden!)
23:35:45< drm> isn't there something about  including strstream before or after something selse? (like maybe string.h)
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