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Please stop by #tor to compare notes and to report any freenode Tor problems. 08:47:17-!- Channel #fink created Sun Aug 3 17:57:20 2003 08:47:20-!- newmanbe_ [n=newmanbe@tor/session/x-0f6ca51c398e5fb5] has joined #fink 08:47:34-!- Irssi: Join to #fink was synced in 22 secs 08:50:37< akh> grrr...stupid meld linking to stupid Python module in stupid %p/src/fink.build/root-* 08:53:05< akh> *sig* 08:53:08< akh> oops 08:53:11< akh> *SIGH* 08:53:16< akh> "I was using fink cvs with no problems up until about a month ago, when I switched over to svn. Unfortunately, I don't think that covers the particular package in question." 08:53:21< akh> Duh! 08:54:24< akh> That's someone else's responsibility. ;-) 08:55:44-!- dmacks [n=dmacks@pool-70-17-216-104.balt.east.verizon.net] has joined #fink 08:56:26 * akh will rant at meld's maintainer, even though the problem is due to some strange pathological linker issue in the build. 08:56:51< akh> :-) 08:57:11-!- dmacks is now known as dmacks_away 08:58:16< dmacks_away> :) 08:59:26-!- dmacks_away is now known as dmacks 08:59:34< akh> 'cuz we know all package problems are the maintainers fault. /usr/local interference--maintainers's fault. 09:00:11< dmacks> cvs.sf downtime? maintainer's fault. 09:01:01 * dmacks interested in hearing what you're seeing though...meld upstream is fairly responsive. 09:01:40< akh> dmacks: it was calling a module from a fink.build tree 09:01:53< akh> Can't really blame upstream for that. 09:02:28< akh> And to be honest, I don't know if _it_ was calling that or something else was. 09:03:54< akh> I'll try to replicate it. 09:05:16< dmacks> (also, lots of -pyXX (and even pythonX.X official) python modules contain %i in their self-reported location, due to their own mis-compiling, even though they're really in %p) 09:08:14< lisppaste> akh pasted "meld issue" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/12095 09:09:06-!- gopherd_ [n=irclogge@tor/session/x-b04cfd64cfab4d40] has joined #fink 09:09:06-!- Topic for #fink: Have a question? 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Please stop by #tor to compare notes and to report any freenode Tor problems. 09:09:07-!- Channel #fink created Sun Aug 3 17:57:20 2003 09:09:32-!- Irssi: Join to #fink was synced in 28 secs 09:09:41-!- newmanbe [n=newmanbe@tor/session/x-d9fdd627cee326a7] has joined #fink 09:09:56< dmacks> Ayup...what I just said:) 09:10:34< akh> Yeah. 09:10:43-!- gopherd__ [n=irclogge@tor/session/x-13412594ad0285f9] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:10:43-!- newmanbe_ [n=newmanbe@tor/session/x-0f6ca51c398e5fb5] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:11:32< dmacks> Python stack trace has each caller item report itself, not the actual python interp list what actually happens. python23's popen2.py[co] are miscompiled. 09:11:50< dmacks> (doesn't explain the cause of the error, obviously:) 09:12:40< akh> The annoying thing is that my commit did go through, but meld didn't update to reflect that. 09:14:32< dmacks> *That* could be a meld error...bugzilla? 09:15:18< akh> Well, since it was calling a nonexistent .py file, I wouldn't blame it necessarily. 09:15:35< akh> And what's up with the archaic gettext dependency? 09:15:57< dmacks> I'm not so sure it's calling a nonexistent .py file. 09:16:25< akh> Oh? 09:16:59 * akh will carefully rebuild all of the python-related dependencies just in case. 09:17:13< dmacks> /sw/lib/python2.3/popen2.py reports itself as being in %d in its own msgs. 09:17:22< akh> ah 09:17:46 * dmacks goes to email jswhit about it. 09:17:49< akh> Well, I'm rebuilding python23, too. 09:18:04< akh> dunno if that'll change anything. 09:19:02< dmacks> (it's an effect of InstallScript using prefix=%i instead of leaving prefix=%p and passing %d somewhere else. 09:19:12< akh> ah 09:21:34 * akh discovers that you can't SSH into a machine when it's not connected to the network. :| 09:22:27< akh> (Duh!) 09:25:22< akh> At least I finished updating cvs in CVS. 09:25:24< akh> ;-) 09:26:27< dmacks> Hrm, I always thought debian was a train-wreck, but turns out it's actually not: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/09/msg01419.html 09:27:24< akh> hehe 09:28:25< akh> The list moderators must have been asleep. 09:30:10-!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has quit ["Common Lisp IRC library - http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-irc"] 09:30:17-!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has joined #fink 09:42:09< dmacks> debian-* is completely unmoderated...doesn't even require being subscribed to post. 09:52:19-!- akh__ [n=akhansen@jove.psfc.mit.edu] has joined #fink 09:58:38< akh> ??? That's crazy! 10:00:39-!- regeya__ [n=shane@adsl-sp3-cdale176.micgi.com] has left #fink ["Leaving"] 10:01:42< akh__> Guess I know where to go to find out about cheap pharmaceuticals. 10:03:22 * akh__ keeps forgetting to bug the maintainer of Debian's cenon.app pkg--it bombs now that I've installed X.org, due to a freetype2 incompatibility. 10:03:47< akh__> Eerily familiar, no? 10:08:09-!- nnutter [n=nathan@12-221-179-60.client.insightBB.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:14:14-!- nnutter [n=nathan@isu211204.ilstu.edu] has joined #fink 10:27:55< dmacks> Freetype2 incompatibility? Ne'er heard of it! 10:39:02-!- akh__ [n=akhansen@jove.psfc.mit.edu] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 10:42:04-!- regeya [n=shane@65.171.234.176] has joined #fink 10:49:12-!- nnutter [n=nathan@isu211204.ilstu.edu] has quit [] 10:51:03-!- sugoi [n=Asian@71-178.69-92-cpe.cableone.net] has joined #fink 10:53:55< sugoi> hi, mac question, set up remote connection on my wife's mac, now it (the wife's powerbook) asks for comfirmation eveytime she trys to connect to our wireless lan 10:56:11< sugoi> are the two events related? if i turn off remote connection will that stop asking? is there another way to allow it to connect automatically? could it be because im having the router give a specific ip for the mac address? 10:56:21< sugoi> im confused because my window machines and linux machines aren't complaining 10:56:37< akh> I've got remote login enabled on my PowerBook and I've not had such problems on my wireless networks. 10:56:53< sugoi> akh: then perhaps the preset ip from the router...? 10:57:32< akh> I'm not sure--I don't think I use a preset IP, so maybe it's worth looking into. 10:58:08 * akh tries to find a command line tool to set my PowerBook to boot as a target disk 10:58:27< sugoi> zug, that would stink, her mac seems to get ips that other machines _sometimes_ have 10:58:46< sugoi> thus, i setup presets for all the network devices we have 10:59:05< akh> Ah. I can't imagine that a preset IP would be the problem either, now that I think about it. 10:59:56< akh> It sounds like the password isn't being stored in the keychain for some reason. 11:00:10< sugoi> well, i need to at least mess with it...just have to get permission from the wife again =) 11:00:43< sugoi> akh: there is no security on the router, it only has access control, allowing connection based on mac addy 11:00:51< sugoi> but, it hasn't always complained 11:00:59< akh> Interesting... 11:15:48< bmaret> hi folks 11:15:54< akh> hi 11:16:08< bmaret> Does XCode 2.1 works well with Fink ? 11:16:18< akh> Generally, yes. 11:16:56< bmaret> akh: Have you tried XCode 2.2 preview 1 ? I wonder which one to download... 11:17:39 * akh has not tried that yet--I may put it on my laptop since it's on 10.4.3. 11:17:53< akh> Make it as bleeding edge as possible. ;-) 11:18:00< bmaret> preview 1 does not sounds good to me... 11:18:11< bmaret> but I'll try this one 11:20:35-!- nnutter [n=nathan@isu211204.ilstu.edu] has joined #fink 11:21:04-!- drm [n=drm@tux7.math.duke.edu] has joined #fink 11:22:00< drm> !seen msachs 11:22:01< Melian> msachs was last seen on IRC in channel #fink, 13d 10h 5m 42s ago, saying: 'newmanbe, I don't know anything about they do!'. 11:22:58< jack-> damn i want a full xfree86 one day 11:23:14< jack-> would love to run my mac without the apple gui stuff at all 11:23:30< drm> you can do it 11:23:37< jack-> but its no fun if i cant use xv stuff or change the resolution :~ 11:24:01< jack-> i tried, it works ok and fast 11:24:16< jack-> just missing the stuff that isnt in any of the xfree86 ports yet 11:24:18< jack-> :< 11:26:39< akh> What stuff? 11:30:18< jack-> xfvidmodeextension 11:30:22< jack-> xv in general 11:30:48< akh> They're not in X.org either? 11:30:53< jack-> nope 11:31:00< jack-> only in the x86 builds 11:31:18< jack-> no idea what stops the guys from porting that too 11:31:35< jack-> i guess there's some lack of info from apple maybe 11:31:59< drm> what does "xv in general" do? 11:32:19< jack-> seems to be a layer to do video stuff in/with 11:32:30< jack-> kinda like sdm, or svgalib etc etc 11:33:01< jack-> but the xv stuff i have here just doesnt compile on a mac 11:33:05< drm> just guessing here, but one tricky thing about xfree86 on OS X is that the video I/O on OS X is very different from that on linux 11:33:07< jack-> like vlc, mplayer etc 11:33:14< jack-> yeah, i know :) 11:33:36< drm> mplayer worked at one time, i believe, but then stopped compiling 11:33:49< jack-> there is a working mplayer 11:33:53< drm> ok 11:34:00< jack-> but it does its output inside cocoa/aqua 11:34:03< jack-> opens a window etc 11:34:11< jack-> so..not usable with a pure x11 11:34:18< drm> gotcha 11:34:31< drm> there's always yellow dog linux :) 11:34:39< jack-> heh :) 11:34:43< jack-> there's ubuntu, too! 11:34:52< jack-> but still..i dont want to give up darwin 11:34:57< jack-> its a nice bsd 11:35:30< jack-> although it SUCKS that you cant avoid crashing the box when a gif tunnel goes down..etc ;P 11:38:46-!- drm [n=drm@tux7.math.duke.edu] has left #fink [] 11:45:30-!- shres [n=sshreyas@59.92.136.146] has joined #fink 11:49:47-!- nnutter [n=nathan@isu211204.ilstu.edu] has quit [Connection timed out] 11:56:16-!- nnutter [n=nathan@isu136233.ilstu.edu] has joined #fink 11:58:07-!- spundun [n=spundun@c-24-126-63-203.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 12:17:23-!- gzl [n=np@hole.macnn.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:17:59-!- gzl [n=np@hole.macnn.com] has joined #fink 12:20:34-!- lane_ [n=lschwar@c-24-118-139-118.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #fink 12:21:35< lane_> Hi all. I was wondering if anyone knows why mozilla builds as part of building openoffice.org in fink unstable. 12:24:11-!- sugoi [n=Asian@71-178.69-92-cpe.cableone.net] has quit ["Qt ROCKS"] 12:24:20< lane_> I noticed that oo.o was taking forever to build, and all of the ...mozilla.. lines floating past seemed odd. 12:24:44< lane_> So I looked in the spec file, and sure enough, mozilla 1.7.5 gets downloaded and built as part of openoffice.org 12:25:09< shres> lane_: hmm.. you can turn that off in the configure option 12:25:55< lane_> eh 12:26:06< lane_> something that would have been nice to know ahead of time :) 12:26:30< lane_> that's something you can do when doing fink install openoffice.org? 12:30:17< lane_> regardless, it seems like bad form to do it without asking as the default behavior 12:31:04< akh> lane_: The maintainer(s) haven't been able to get it to work with fink-installed mozilla stuff yet. 12:31:41< lane_> ok. that's good to know. 12:31:51< lane_> does oo.o actually require mozilla? 12:32:05< akh> At least bits and pieces of it. 12:32:20< lane_> hmm. I'm surprised to hear that 12:32:54< akh> I'm not exactly sure why, though. 12:33:31< lane_> even if that's the case, it seems that they would be better off just pulling in the code snippets that they need rather than compiling the entire mozilla suite 12:34:24< akh> Sure--I think they're working within the framework of how upstream does it, though. 12:35:16< lane_> so you think that oo.o v2 on windows and linux requires the full mozilla suite? I find that very hard to believe 12:35:28< lane_> but I suppose it's possible 12:35:58< lane_> I might email the maintainer to ask what the reason is for doing things the way they do 12:36:13< akh> lane_: It's a build-time, not runtime issue. 12:36:28< dmacks> The reason is that they can't get it to compile and run otherwise (at this time). 12:36:44< lane_> ah 12:36:59< akh> It's either this or no working package. 12:37:07< lane_> so when it gets done I won't actually have a full mozilla build laying around 12:37:15< akh> no 12:37:24< lane_> ok 12:37:35< lane_> well, that's not as bad as it seemed, then 12:37:44< dmacks> Right. You'll have maybe a few files from it (a shared library or somesuch), stashed in oo.o's private directory 12:38:10< lane_> got it 12:39:11< dmacks> akh: Fink HEAD validator now pukes up 1802 offending files for "Error: Compiled python module points to fink install dir." against python23.deb 12:41:59< dmacks> Maybe I oughta put a "(only first N shown)" limiter in the error msgs... 12:42:42< shres> akh: why doesnt system-mozilla=yes work ? 12:43:07< dmacks> Paging asari 12:43:16< shres> akh: do u guys use upstream ooo or the one which all the linux distributions use (ooo-build) ? 12:43:17< asari> pong 12:43:32< dmacks> shres: ask him. 12:44:13< asari> hi shres, I'm the maintainer of ooo. 12:44:14< shres> dmacks: i have a bit of expertise with ooo, i hacked it for a year. So just trying to see if i can help 12:44:40< shres> asari: yeah, --with-system-mozilla=yes doesnt work 12:44:56< dmacks> I'd *love* to see ooo use fink's existing packages instead of compiling its own stuff:) 12:45:15< asari> dmacks: almost done :) 12:45:20< dmacks> Great! 12:45:29< shres> asari: do u guys use ooo-build packages or upstream packages ? 12:45:29< lane_> huzzah! 12:45:34< asari> except python!!!!! 12:45:57< dmacks> What is the problem with python? 12:46:40< asari> dmacks: I'm not sure, some building problem occurs 12:46:50< dmacks> :( 12:47:23< asari> shres: please wait for a while, reading the log... 12:47:44< shres> no problem, take your time 12:48:05< dmacks> I wish I had the resources to compile ooo 12:48:13< shres> i use only system stuff, i believe its easier to do that if u use ooo-build 12:48:44-!- HenkPoley [n=henk@poley.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 12:50:54< lane_> dmacks: yeah, I didn't realize quite how long this would take 12:51:08< lane_> I'm compiling it now on my 1.42 GHz iBook 12:51:20< lane_> it's been going at least 7 hrs 12:51:48< shres> yeah, it generally takes that long 12:52:10< lane_> so I might see the light soon? :) 12:52:25< shres> i once wrote a patch which added code to vcl sw and sd and it took 4 hrs to rebuild everything to test the patch 12:52:25< dmacks> My 800MHz doesn't stand a chance:( 12:52:43< shres> it took me three days to test the patch completely, extremely painful 12:53:18< lane_> ouch 12:53:24< shres> but yeah, standard time is 8-10hrs on fast machines 12:54:12< lane_> ugh. so I've still got a while to wait 12:54:33< shres> yeah, and thats with all system stuff. btw which version are u building ? 12:54:41 * shres checks out m129 12:54:54< lane_> whatever the latest is in fink unstable 12:55:04< lane_> 1.9m121-61 12:55:26< dmacks> Early versions of fink's --log-output mode opened exponentially more filehandles as more data got logged. Kinda hard to debug when simple cases work fine but slightly more complex cases fork-bomb. 12:56:00< shres> let me try to build openoffice m129, could save u some effort when u get around to it 12:56:47< shres> although i am still not comfortable with how fink splits up packages and all. So thats still a mystery, trying to learn though 12:57:40< regeya> wheee. 12:58:06< asari> shres: cws_macosx11 is good, probably you want to try" 12:58:41< asari> cute icons and applescript application bundle are available in macosx11! 12:59:21< shres> asari: cool, i have a script which does cws_extract and creates nice patches 13:00:50< asari> shres: your question about ooo-build... the answeris no. I use upstream sources. 13:01:42< asari> has not used ooo-build yet! 13:05:10< asari> shres: and good news: I heard some OOo porting staffs have succeeded m130 build. 13:06:22-!- dmacks [n=dmacks@pdpc/supporter/active/dmacks] has quit ["leaving"] 13:10:37-!- shreyas [n=sshreyas@59.92.129.169] has joined #fink 13:10:46< asari> here you can download the experimental build: http://ooofr.org/telechargement/macosx/2.0/m130/ 13:12:48< asari> shares: anyway, I need your heo 13:13:11< asari> need your help ;) 13:13:24< shreyas> asari: sure, my connection died on me 13:13:35< shreyas> asari: but the nick shres still presists 13:13:42< shreyas> asari: how can i help ? 13:14:22< asari> what the best answer to provide the language packs? 13:14:42-!- Albie [n=ambs@bl6-39-133.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #fink 13:16:29< shreyas> http://red-carpet.go-ooo.org/ooo-680/suse-93-i586/ this is how suse does it. I can see you do the similar thing too 13:16:54< asari> currently, all the language pack are built individually ... 13:17:31< asari> the building process is really painful, though. 13:18:39< shreyas> built ?, u can just turn on --with-lang=all and then split them into different packages right ? 13:19:01< shreyas> sorry i probably did not understand ur question properly 13:19:01< asari> ah, yes, until m65, 13:19:22-!- whit [n=whit@adsl-32-220-103.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #fink 13:19:29-!- shres [n=sshreyas@59.92.136.146] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:19:49< asari> now m12x, fink script builds --with-lang=ja from scratch! 13:20:41< whit> hey y'all, is there an easy way to install the libxml2 python bindings with fink? 13:21:01< shreyas> asari: any specific reason why you do that ? 13:21:08< asari> it really reduces the disc usage.. 13:21:23< asari> because of the disk consumption. 13:22:00< shreyas> oh, intersting. Hmmm.. wait let me poke P M Ladek who packages ooo for Suse and ask what he wants 13:22:02< asari> for normal user, 40GB of free disk space is not affordable. 13:22:38< shreyas> asari: i dont uunderstand, u are talking about build space or install space 13:22:45< asari> build space. 13:23:29-!- spiral [n=spiral@84.6.135.48] has joined #fink 13:23:53< shreyas> oh, yeah. Unfortunately, i dont think thats much of an issue for pmladek. i will ask him anyway if has a solution for this and will let you know if he suggests something 13:24:19< spiral> hi 13:24:47< asari> shreyas: thanks. 13:24:49< regeya> Greatings! 13:25:07< shreyas> asari: maybe u can try building some 4-5 langauges at a time 13:25:25< shreyas> asari: although if u use a lot of system stuff, i am sure u wont need 40gb 13:25:41< asari> shreyas: hm. 13:26:47-!- whit [n=whit@adsl-32-220-103.bna.bellsouth.net] has left #fink [] 13:27:13< shreyas> i am just trying out all that, i will report my findings here. Hopefully i should be able to help. 13:27:16-!- shreyas is now known as shres 13:28:37 * asari uploads his openoffice.org.experimental.{info,patch} to experimental tree 13:29:24< asari> shres: thanks, let me keep in touch! 13:30:09-!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has quit ["Common Lisp IRC library - http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-irc"] 13:30:16-!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has joined #fink 13:30:50-!- dmacks [n=dmacks@pool-70-17-216-104.balt.east.verizon.net] has joined #fink 13:31:00< asari> shres: do you know the experimental tree? 13:31:09< shres> btw, fink doesnt have png-devel ? 13:31:29< asari> libpng0 , maybe. 13:31:31< shres> asari: no 13:31:47< asari> libpng3? no? 13:32:38< shres> asari: my no was for the experimental tree part :-) 13:32:51< shres> and i already have libpng3 installed 13:33:05< asari> ah :) here: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/fink/experimental/asari/ 13:33:33< shres> but i dont see a libpng3-devel 13:33:58< asari> shres: I guess what you want is libpng3. 13:34:36< asari> see dpkg -L libpng3 13:37:47< shres> asari: btw, u use ccache while building right ? 13:38:06< asari> yes, and no. 13:38:41< shres> and that would mean ? 13:38:54< asari> on building OOo, I often change the upstream, the revision number,.. 13:39:20< asari> so often cache is not used :( 13:39:47< shres> hmmm... interesting 13:40:48< shres> so it's true, fink does not have libpng3-devel which ooo requires, my configure script cribs about that not being there 13:41:03< asari> ??? 13:41:27< dmacks> Fink package names do not always correspond to those of other package-managers. 13:42:15< shres> asari: i am using ooo-build wrapper. So my configure may work a bit differently ;) 13:42:37< asari> ah.. 13:42:40-!- regeya [n=shane@65.171.234.176] has quit ["Leaving"] 13:47:57< shres> i am assuming, u dont build with gtk or kde widget set 13:48:42-!- dmacks [n=dmacks@pdpc/supporter/active/dmacks] has quit ["leaving"] 13:49:05< asari> shres: I currently don't check that. 13:50:30< asari> shres: you mean vcl plugin? it would looks good, I hope.. 13:52:15< shres> hmmm.. let me check after i build if it actually does ;) 13:53:26< shres> i just have to delete these multiple backups of gnome on my machine and i should have enough space to build ooo 13:55:40-!- mGiff [n=mGiff@ottawa-hs-209-217-123-127.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #fink 13:59:09-!- Albie [n=ambs@bl6-39-133.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit ["Leaving"] 14:03:42-!- mGiff [n=mGiff@ottawa-hs-209-217-123-127.d-ip.magma.ca] has quit [Client Quit] 14:10:15-!- nnutter [n=nathan@isu136233.ilstu.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:16:24 * asari found shres is also in #OpenOffice.org :) 14:17:43< shres> asari: yeah, i also lurk in #go-oo channel 14:17:49-!- sid77 [n=sid77@host-84-222-58-99.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has quit ["brb"] 14:18:29< RangerRick> man I love the daily wtf: http://thedailywtf.com/ 14:18:37< RangerRick> isActive = (isActive == true) ? true : false; 14:18:42< RangerRick> that's some quality code 14:19:19< asari> heh 14:19:29< shres> heh, i once saw #ifdef OVER_COMPLICATED_CODE in ooo 14:19:43< shres> and what followed the if def was even worse 14:20:15 * asari often uses /sw/bin/wtf 14:23:46-!- regeya [n=shane@adsl-sp3-cdale176.micgi.com] has joined #fink 14:23:54 * akh has wtfupdate in my cron--I haven't seen any new ones in a while. 14:27:46-!- Gardner [n=mjg@pcp05047549pcs.ivylnd01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #fink 14:44:04-!- Albie [n=ambs@82.155.39.133] has joined #fink 14:53:08-!- shres [n=sshreyas@59.92.129.169] has quit ["What can i do? I am just being me"] 15:11:34-!- Bart_ [n=hideout@p5080F040.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #fink 15:20:34< Bart_> hmm.. anybody knows a good alternate for virtual desktops under 10.4.2 15:24:02< newmanbe> telnet. ;) 15:27:07< Gardner> Alternate to what? 15:27:56< Bart_> there is some software called virtual desktops or something 15:39:05-!- sid77 [n=sid77@host-84-222-58-99.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #fink 15:53:43-!- sid77 [n=sid77@host-84-222-58-99.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has quit ["http://slackintosh.workaround.ch/"] 15:56:45-!- Albie [n=ambs@82.155.39.133] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:58:29-!- drm [n=drm@tux8.math.duke.edu] has joined #fink 16:00:10-!- dmacks [n=dmacks@pool-70-17-216-104.balt.east.verizon.net] has joined #fink 16:11:35< spiral> hmmm, if I wanna use kde via fink, can I use X11 from tiger ? 16:12:01< RangerRick> spiral: yup 16:12:28< spiral> RangerRick: do I have to setup xnest or smthing like this ? 16:12:38< RangerRick> no, it runs just fine in x11 from tiger 16:12:41< akh> And RangerRick gets $5 for every build from source. ;-) 16:12:48< RangerRick> haha 16:13:11< RangerRick> that's a good idea, I should have it make a lynx call t o a google adwords link on my site or somethign on every build 16:13:11< spiral> RangerRick: so I could get the full kde in a macos aqua's window ? 16:13:29< RangerRick> spiral: if you want it, or you can turn off desktop icons and stuff and you'll end up with the kde bar rootless 16:13:51< newmanbe> Anyone know any way to keep vim and nano from saving to file other than the one it opened originally? 16:13:54< Gardner> You'll get Aqua window title bars. Finding an acceptable "Aqua" KDE theme is up to you. 16:14:10< spiral> Gardner: 'll right... 16:14:22< spiral> hmmm, is it possible to use k3b with superdrive ? 16:14:27< RangerRick> you can install baghira 16:14:33< RangerRick> spiral: k3b is not ported 16:14:35< spiral> 'can always hope... 16:14:36< spiral> :-P 16:14:38< RangerRick> it uses a lot of linux-specific cdrom code 16:14:53< newmanbe> baghira is bizare. 16:14:53< akh> newmanbe: do you mean "to save as another file"? 16:14:57< RangerRick> I've taken a couple of stabs at it but it's beyond me, crazy crazy spaghetti code in the cdrom handling 16:14:59< newmanbe> Yes. 16:15:16< spiral> RangerRick: yeah, read about baghira... this shall help me... even if I'll try not to use X11 apps... 16:15:25< akh> On nano you can use ^o or save with another name at close. 16:15:39< newmanbe> No, I want to keep people from doing that. :) 16:15:44< Gardner> I ended up customizing Baghira to look more like Tiger and calling the result "Shere Khan". :-D 16:15:53< newmanbe> And vim you can do w followed right by the path. 16:16:02< akh> newmanbe: ah 16:16:03-!- das_ [i=das@sparky.doit.wisc.edu] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:16:08< RangerRick> Gardner: if you've got some nice defaults, pass 'em on, I'd like to put 'em into the baghira package 16:16:13< RangerRick> baghira's kind of crappy out-of-the-box 16:16:17< dmacks> You want to allow people to edit a file but not save it to any name other than the original? Or not save at all? 16:16:19< RangerRick> even though it can be made to look really nice 16:16:35< newmanbe> dmacks: Not save to anything but the original. 16:17:31< akh> newmanbe: make everything in the file system read only (including directories) except that one file? 16:17:56< newmanbe> I suppose that might work. 16:18:04< dmacks> Some editors have a "spawned mode", designed to be used embedded in another app. Wonder if that's a lead? 16:18:07 * newmanbe is working on his pastebin service written in bash... 16:18:43< newmanbe> That sounds about right. 16:18:43 * newmanbe tries using bash's -r mode. 16:19:37-!- akh [n=akhansen@ldx3.psfc.mit.edu] has quit [] 16:20:12-!- drm [n=drm@tux8.math.duke.edu] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:20:27 * RangerRick saw baghira 0.7 is out, gonna package it up real quick 16:22:43 * newmanbe wonders what exactly a vim server is. 16:23:27< dmacks> nano -t is useful, but doesn't disable ^R and ^O 16:25:02< newmanbe> Hmm, that's start. 16:26:21< newmanbe> nano has something like chroot built in... That's another start. 16:30:54-!- nnutter [n=nathan@12-221-179-60.client.insightBB.com] has joined #fink 16:31:27< Bart_> shitty i have so mutch problems with the airport under 10.4.2 16:31:30< Bart_> the driver are bad 16:36:34-!- spiral [n=spiral@84.6.135.48] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:39:46-!- jepeltw [n=jepeltw@CPE0004e28cd3c1-CM014340105960.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #fink 16:40:09-!- lane_ [n=lschwar@c-24-118-139-118.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:47:48-!- jepeltw [n=jepeltw@CPE0004e28cd3c1-CM014340105960.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #fink ["Leaving"] 16:51:50-!- regeya [n=shane@adsl-sp3-cdale176.micgi.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:53:05-!- RangerRick is now known as RangerSerenity 16:54:33< dmacks> !seen msachs 16:54:34< Melian> msachs was last seen on IRC in channel #fink, 13d 15h 38m 14s ago, saying: 'newmanbe, I don't know anything about they do!'. 17:04:16-!- Gardner [n=mjg@pcp05047549pcs.ivylnd01.pa.comcast.net] has quit ["Bye!"] 17:07:50-!- xpanthom [n=Thomas@e6.netikka.fi] has joined #fink 17:11:24< newmanbe> Melian: forget seen msachs 17:11:25< Melian> i didn't have anything called 'seen msachs' to forget, newmanbe 17:11:35< newmanbe> That's right you bot you! 17:22:50< dmacks> !seen msachs 17:22:51< Melian> msachs was last seen on IRC in channel #fink, 13d 16h 6m 31s ago, saying: 'newmanbe, I don't know anything about they do!'. 17:22:56< dmacks> Bwahahahaha!!! 17:30:06-!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has quit ["Common Lisp IRC library - http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-irc"] 17:30:13-!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has joined #fink 17:35:22-!- lane_ [n=lschwar@c-24-118-139-118.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #fink 17:36:36< cirdan> yo 17:36:42 * cirdan leaves at 5am 17:36:47< cirdan> whee 17:37:04< newmanbe> For where? 17:37:23< cirdan> =new orleans 17:37:37< newmanbe> To do what? 17:38:21< cirdan> help 17:38:25< cirdan> military 17:38:28< newmanbe> I gathered that much. :) 17:38:29< cirdan> <- 17:39:24< newmanbe> Oh, yes. I think I remember hearing something about you being in the military. 17:39:44< newmanbe> One should be sleeping at 5am. :) 17:41:17< lane_> Hi all. Does anyone know the proper voodoo incancation to get KDE to actually use the command button as Ctl? I tried enabling "Macintosh keyboard" and "Mac OS-style modifier usage" in the Keyboard Shortcuts -> Modifier Usage section of the KDE Control Center, but that doesn't change anything. 17:41:29< newmanbe> No idea. 17:42:06< newmanbe> Do you have that maped to be one of the mouse buttons in X11? 17:42:20< lane_> only when coupled with a click 17:42:51< lane_> but yes, I do have option and command as middle and right clicks when coupled with a click 17:43:17< newmanbe> You might try turning that off. *shrug* 17:43:49< dmacks> cirdan: Ya have a chance to scan the FinkInc docs? 17:44:41< lane_> newmanbe: thanks. I'll give that a try 17:44:58-!- bmaret [n=user@MARETMACLT2.astro.lsa.umich.edu] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:47:46< cirdan> maybe tonight 17:49:40< dmacks> Or xerox+snailmail if your into that sort of thing:) 17:57:36-!- dmacks [n=dmacks@pdpc/supporter/active/dmacks] has quit ["leaving"] 18:56:28-!- drm [n=drm@tux4.math.duke.edu] has joined #fink 19:09:19-!- drm [n=drm@tux4.math.duke.edu] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:22:01-!- spool [n=griff@dslb-084-058-010-060.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #fink 19:24:14< spool> hello, could anyone here answer a few questions regarding xorg and x11-app? 19:24:53< newmanbe> Maybe. 19:25:06< spool> that's a good start 19:25:23< spool> I have x11-app installed 19:25:32< spool> as well as x11-shlibs 19:25:37< spool> and xorg-shlibs 19:25:50< spool> everytime I try to run "update-all" 19:26:02< spool> fink attempts to build xorg as well 19:26:24< spool> I have attempted to remove xorg-shlibs 19:26:35< spool> but too many things depend on it 19:27:01< spool> I have not problem running x windows using the enlightenment windows manager 19:27:48< newmanbe> If you really, *really* want to remove xorg-shlibs, dpkg --force-all --remove xorg-shlibs should work. 19:27:51< spool> the problem: xorg fails to build because it wants etc/X11 to be a symlink to usr/X11R6/etc 19:28:10< spool> I guess my question is: do I want to? 19:28:17< newmanbe> Probably not. :) 19:28:48< spool> therefore, do I try and build xorg, and if so, how do I get around the symlink problem? 19:29:10< spool> (I have tried making a symlink, but fink doesn't seem to care) 19:29:33 * newmanbe doesn't know. 19:29:44< spool> fair enough 19:29:51< spool> thanks very much for trying 19:30:17< spool> do you know if its ok to have both xorg and x11-app at the same time? 19:30:32< newmanbe> That should be fine. 19:30:46< spool> oh 19:31:17< spool> so do you know what I using then? (xorg or apple's version of x11) 19:31:27< newmanbe> I would use xorg. 19:31:47 * newmanbe doesn't like GUI (for lack of a better name) anymore and wouldn't use X11 at all. :) 19:32:07< xpanthom> speaking of X11: could someone add to the fink site the fact that installing applex11tools on top of XDarwin produces errors when you try to use esound? the reason is that the MIDI setup is screwed up, and the problem can be fixed by using Audio MIDI Setup in Applications/Utilities to set the frequency back to 44,1 KHz. 19:32:36< newmanbe> !tell xpanthom about mailinglists 19:33:42< spool> should I upload my xorg build issue on the mailing list? 19:34:23< newmanbe> If no one here helps you, you can use one of the mailing lists. 19:34:53< spool> ok 19:35:44< spool> when you mentioned "the GUI", were you referring to the entire aqua interface or some portion thereof (or something different entirely)? 19:36:26< newmanbe> I was talking about Aqua, X11, etc. 19:37:03< spool> all command line then? 19:37:14< spool> in which case, why mac? 19:38:14< newmanbe> I don't want to talk about that terrible decision. ;) 19:38:24< newmanbe> I want to put it past me. 8) 19:39:17< spool> ouch, fair enough 19:40:46< spool> why not just install linux? 19:41:30< newmanbe> Because I have to use AirPort Extreme. 19:41:43< spool> ahhhh 19:42:56< spool> wait.... so if I installed ubuntu on my powerbook I would not be able to use my wireless card? 19:43:53< newmanbe> If it has AirPort Extreme, correct. 19:44:59< spool> is that apple being asinine or something more complicated? 19:50:07< newmanbe> There is no open-source drives for anything in the AirPort Extreme 'family' (manufactured by Broadcom or something). 19:52:20< spool> well fuck 19:53:02< spool> I suppose you could buy a third party usb one 19:53:26< newmanbe> No need to swear. ;) 19:53:31< spool> sorry but that's rediculous 19:54:05< spool> you should be able to use the hardware you bought the way you want 19:54:34< newmanbe> You are more than welcome to write the drivers. :) 19:54:42< spool> sorry... 19:54:48< spool> yeah fair enough 19:55:34< spool> I went through this whole thing trying to unlock my superdrive because I spend a lot of time overseas a people give me dvds as presents 19:56:18< spool> apple actually won't allow you to burn media of a certain type due to their firmware 19:56:55< spool> I think it's vaguely a heat issue 19:57:36< spool> but not only can the drives not use more modern formats, the old useable formats are becoming more difficult to find 19:58:04< spool> oh well, I should probably go to bed 19:58:11< spool> thanks a lot for the advice 19:58:17 * newmanbe isn't sure what you're talking about. 19:58:26< spool> ... sorry 19:58:57< spool> I don't talk on the internet that often 19:59:27< spool> what sounds good doesn't necessarily transfer well to text 19:59:33 * newmanbe goes off to get FreeBSD to mount his USB-Flash drive. 19:59:59< spool> faire thee well 20:00:03< spool> ... fare... 20:00:24< spool> good night, and thanks for indulging 20:00:41< spool> and best of luck with your wireless card 20:00:58-!- spool [n=griff@dslb-084-058-010-060.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #fink [] 20:20:12-!- vasi [n=vasi@modemcable133.147-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #fink 20:24:09-!- beniamino [n=ben@adsl-68-123-122-244.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #fink 20:36:20-!- rajesh [n=rajesh@pcp09354616pcs.jersyc01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #fink 20:42:47-!- vasi [n=vasi@modemcable133.147-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:54:41-!- vasi [n=vasi@modemcable133.147-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #fink 21:02:29-!- xpanthom [n=Thomas@e6.netikka.fi] has quit ["Quitting!"] 21:22:04< Clef> anyone ever done AJAX stuff? 21:22:52< newmanbe> No. 21:30:19-!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has quit ["Common Lisp IRC library - http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-irc"] 21:30:24-!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has joined #fink 21:42:30-!- rajesh [n=rajesh@nylug/member/rajesh] has quit ["leaving"] 22:21:59-!- vasi [n=vasi@modemcable133.147-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has quit ["Client exiting"] 22:27:33-!- beniamino_ [n=ben@naf-37.OLAC.Berkeley.EDU] has joined #fink 22:34:52-!- lane_ [n=lschwar@c-24-118-139-118.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [] 22:37:08-!- beniamino__ [n=ben@adsl-68-123-122-243.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #fink 22:37:49-!- beniamino [n=ben@adsl-68-123-122-244.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:51:16-!- beniamino_ [n=ben@naf-37.OLAC.Berkeley.EDU] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 23:06:17-!- beniamino_ [n=ben@naf-37.OLAC.Berkeley.EDU] has joined #fink 23:16:50-!- beniamino__ [n=ben@adsl-68-123-122-243.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:39:39-!- Bart_ [n=hideout@p5080F040.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:45:02< asari> Clef: Ajax? I have once tried an easy one: http://fink.sodan.ecc.u-tokyo.ac.jp/manta/ 23:46:23< asari> "Package Search" uses simple Ajax. 23:55:29-!- shres [n=sshreyas@59.92.129.169] has joined #fink --- Log closed Sat Oct 01 00:00:15 2005 .