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03:21:44< truls> hiya
03:23:38< truls> any chance of sending configure options when doing fink install?
03:23:51< truls> only thing i found in faq was repackaging
03:25:16< truls> fighting with getting avr-libc to compile on 10.4-transitional unstable... documentation won't build so trying to disable it
03:25:51< truls> a new working package has been uploaded a month ago by the maintainer, but still not available in fink
03:39:05< truls> ok, manually downloaded the .info from the maintainer to my finkinfo, so fink gets latest version with fix
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07:59:31-!- Topic for #fink: Have a question? Check the FAQ: http://fink.sf.net/faq || Latest Installers: 0.6.4 (10.2), 0.7.2 (10.3), 0.8.0 (10.4) || Fink 0.24.10: Cameloparadalis
07:59:31-!- Topic set by akh [] [Thu Aug 25 10:00:59 2005]
07:59:31[Users #fink]
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07:59:31[ Clef     ] [ gecko2  ] [ JosephSpiros] [ megahal  ] [ RangerAway] [ usataway] 
07:59:31-!- Irssi: #fink: Total of 42 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 42 normal]
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08:42:07 * akh is surprised that fink-0.24.11 isn't out yet.
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08:59:53< asari> abhhh...
09:02:06< asari> wxmac 2.6.2 has changed its compatibility_version and current_version.. 
09:02:15< asari> s/changed/decremented/
09:02:27< pogma> de???
09:02:31< pogma> eek!
09:02:50< pogma> have you shouted at them?
09:03:03< akh> Ouch
09:03:15< akh> Isn't that illegal?
09:03:28< pogma> unfortunately not :)
09:03:43< pogma> it is just STUPID!
09:03:44< akh> It should be. ;-)
09:03:50< akh> Yup.
09:05:30< rudy> wait? whos stupid?
09:05:52< pogma> asari: Is there any difference in API between the two versions? has 2.6.2 got the same set of functions as the previous version?
09:06:03< pogma> rudy: you, of course :)
09:06:23< asari> pogma: Maybe I should take a look of it.
09:06:45 * rudy causes all the currently flying space hardware to reenter the atmosphere and all land on japan in an attempt to crush pogma
09:07:04< asari> or ask the upstream what I should do.
09:07:21< pogma> I'd ask them
09:07:27< pogma> less work :)
09:07:28< asari> pogma: thanks
09:10:13< pogma> rudy: You still employed by nasa then?
09:15:04< pogma> guess rudy must be busy redirecting all the space junk to land on my house :)
09:15:38< asari> oooh!
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09:20:27< akh> pogma: If they could direct "junk" it wouldn't be junk. ;-)
09:20:47 * pogma adds some packages to the list of unwanted ones on the wiki
09:21:16< akh> libtool ?
09:21:36< pogma> mysql, openjade, opensp, sane
09:21:41< akh> ah
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09:25:17 * RangerRick adds KDE
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09:27:47< pogma> hehe
09:27:57< RangerRick> twice, just to make sure
09:28:00< pogma> you'll never get rid of kde
09:28:06< RangerRick> I know  :)
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09:29:46< bmaret> hi folks,
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09:34:48< akh> hi bmaret 
09:34:53< akh> (et al)
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09:35:30< akh> RangerRick: Once 3.4.2 is in the bindist we'll let you retire.
09:35:38 * bmaret replace Apple X11 with X.org to see if it solves the Yelp problem
09:36:15< akh> Worth a try, I guess.
09:36:36< akh> Though maybe it doesn't like XCode 2.0
09:36:43< bmaret> gdb says the error comes from mozilla libs though...
09:36:44< dmacks> Non-portable bugs suck.
09:36:53< akh> bmaret: Ah.  
09:37:30< akh> Mozilla had to be patched to get it to build vs. 2.1, I believe.
09:37:49< dmacks> Try switching to firefox.
09:38:36< akh> dmacks: how would that help?  yelp depends on mozilla-shlibs
09:38:49< bmaret> just switched to X.org and quartz-wm is not happy
09:38:55 * dmacks just replied to the -devel msg:)
09:39:03< akh> ah
09:39:17< akh> bmaret: Really?  That's strange.  I use it.
09:39:39< bmaret> maybe my .xinitrc file...
09:40:24< akh> Could be.  I'm running quartz-wm via X11.app and XDarwin.app simultaneously right now.
09:41:09< bmaret> did you install quartz-wm with the fink package ?
09:41:17< akh> Yes.
09:41:22< bmaret> ah ok
09:41:34< bmaret> maybe I need to reinstall it then.
09:41:55< akh> Maybe.
09:50:59 * akh just found something interesting.
09:51:02< akh> (unrelated to any current discussions here)
09:51:02< dmacks> "Don't tease to share, just share"
09:51:13< akh> Apple's X11 doesn't like you to set DISPLAY to "localhost:0"
09:51:29< akh> i.e. it won't open the display.
09:51:41< akh> s/Apple's X11/X11.app/
09:51:48< akh> XDarwin.app doesn't care.
09:52:02< akh> (same X11 underpinnings)
09:52:19< dmacks> Seems to work on 10.3/AppleX11
09:52:43< akh> Ah--this is 10.4/X11.app and setting DISPLAY in Terminal.app.
09:53:41< akh> Maybe when they introduced dynamic setting of DISPLAY they broke something.
09:53:42< dmacks> Both DISPLAY=localhost:0 and -display localhost:0 work fine for me.
09:54:02< asari> my DISPLAY is set to localhost:0.0, and it works fine here, too.
09:54:08< dmacks> And thanks, now I have 6 sets of xeyes following me from testing it.
09:54:15< akh> dmacks: heh
09:54:26< asari> eyeyeyeyeye
09:54:34< dmacks> ha
09:54:45< bmaret> i am confused - where quartz-wm is installed by x11-app package ?
09:55:17< akh> It's not.  It's installed by the quartz-wm package.
09:55:44< akh> %/bin/quartz-wm
09:55:47< bmaret> but where ?
09:55:53< akh> %p/bin/quartz-wm
09:55:57< baba> %p?
09:56:09< akh> Yeah:  %p.
09:56:20< baba> :p
09:56:22< akh> (/sw if you're using a default fink setup)
09:56:32 * akh doesn't like to pretend that.
09:57:24 * bmaret just installed x11.app and does not have any quartz-wm in /sw/bin
09:57:40< akh> bmaret: Do you have the quartz-wm package, too?
09:57:40< bmaret> s/x11.app/x11-app/
09:57:58< akh> Melian:  %p?
09:57:58< Melian> %p is, like, your fink tree root directory (/sw for a default setup)
09:58:13< baba> Melian: :p
09:58:28< bmaret> akh: no I forgot this one...
09:58:49< akh> bmaret: You may just want to install applex11tools to make sure you get everything.
09:59:08< pogma> um, look in /usr/bin
09:59:33< akh> pogma: Yeah, but not when using RangerRick's packages. ;-)
10:00:06< akh> They're policy-compliant and stuff.
10:01:05< bmaret> I got the thing working, thanks.
10:01:52 * akh thinks the xinitrc package needs to be modified to allow for a fink-installed quartz-wm.
10:02:12< akh> I always forget and wind up running twm.  Icky!
10:02:18< dmacks> heh
10:02:52< akh> (and I did let the maintainer know, including my suggested addendum)
10:07:00< bmaret> Switching to Xorg didn't helped. Yelp still crashes.
10:07:31< akh> It's probably something in your mozilla libs then.  
10:07:31 * bmaret is trying to compile yelp against firefox-libs as dmacks suggested
10:07:38< akh> Good idea.
10:08:27< akh> I assume they aren't drop-in compatible.
10:08:54< dmacks> Right. dynamic linking against their -shlibs.
10:10:17< bmaret> I'll recompile yelp then.
10:10:38< dmacks> 'intelligent design really isn't a Big Ten idea. It's more of a Conference USA idea.'
10:10:50< akh> heh
10:10:57< bmaret> Is there other yelp dependencies that depends on firefox-shlibs | mozilla-shlibs ?
10:11:01< dmacks> Nope.
10:12:04 * akh discards my own messages to the fink lists.
10:12:22< akh> (sent from wrong account)
10:16:51< lisppaste> akh pasted "X11.app" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/12066
10:17:40< dmacks> weird, akh
10:18:03< lisppaste> akh annotated #12066 with "XDarwin.app" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/12066#1
10:18:15< akh> Even weirder.
10:18:25< dmacks> Radar it?
10:18:37< akh> If I remember.
10:19:29< pogma> who sets DISPLAY to localhost anyway? :-p
10:19:42< akh> pogma: a poster on -beginners
10:19:54< akh> That's what motivated this whole exercise.
10:20:53< pogma> is your X server actually running on display 1 ?
10:21:12< pogma> 0 is normal, isn't it?
10:21:25< pogma> env DISPLAY=:0.0 xcircuit
10:22:04< pogma> whatever, bug somewhere, not with your package :)
10:22:27< akh> pogma:  I have X11.app on :1 and XDarwin.app on :0 concurrently.
10:22:36< dmacks> First instance is :0, second is :1, etc.
10:23:25< dmacks> As soon as 10.3 came out, all those folks who have shared machines and hardcode ":0.0" in their dotfiles said a collective "aw crap"
10:23:51< akh> And I only used xcircuit because I've got a new upstream version and wanted to make sure it runs. ;-)
10:24:30< akh> With just X11.app running on display 0 I get the same thing.
10:24:46< pogma> OK, so X11.app is stupid
10:25:05< baba> pogma: you didn't know that?
10:25:17< pogma> file a radar and watch it get closed magically with no explanation
10:25:22< pogma> and no fix
10:25:44< pogma> gotta love radar
10:25:51< akh> pogma:  I agree it's stupid in that regard.  On the other hand, it _does_ detect another running server and automatically ncrement which display it uses.
10:25:51< dmacks> Don't feel bad, pogma...sometimes I still wake up, look outside, and say "wow, the sky looks blue today"
10:26:24< akh> dmacks: blue?  in the city?  That's crazy!
10:26:32< pogma> dmacks: but do you ever say "hey, that traffic light is blue, I can go" ?
10:26:44 * dmacks ain't in the city right now:)
10:26:59< akh> Ah, that 'splains it.
10:27:13< dmacks> No pogma, when I'm under the influence I don't drive.
10:27:35< akh> "But the stop sign melted, so I thought that meant I could go."
10:28:00< pogma> dmacks: in jp traffic lights are red, orange and blue, it's quite confusing :)
10:28:10< dmacks> ...so then I made a left onto Dali Ave
10:28:16< akh> pogma:  I hope red means stop.
10:28:20< dmacks> pogma: ?!
10:28:31< baba> no, red means hurry
10:28:40< dmacks> Ah, then same as in US
10:28:53< akh> Yup. ;-)
10:29:13< akh> Well, in the Northeast, anyway.
10:29:29< dmacks> In Philly, red means "honk about a half-block back before racing through"
10:29:52< akh> In Boston it means "OK, I've got about 3 seconds."
10:30:53< dmacks> Baltimore just installed cameras...apparently "many" are not yet operational, but nobody knows *which* :)
10:31:11< akh> Probably none--it's cheaper that way.
10:31:52< dmacks> Yeah, they *do* look a lot like cheaply-repainted Pringles cans.
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10:33:06< baba> in kyoto, you will be wanred if you release too much methane and CO2
10:33:22< akh> So don't breathe heavily and pass gas?
10:33:39< baba> no
10:33:44< baba> it's against kyoto protocol
10:33:59< akh> heh
10:34:45 * dmacks abandons plans for "bonfires and burritos" night.
10:35:32< akh> At least not in Kyoto.  Here in the US it's OK--as long as you "conserve fuel"
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10:35:55< elux> hey
10:35:59< akh> hi
10:36:02< elux> when i run fink list | grep ghc .. it doesnt find anything
10:36:06< dmacks> "Toss another environmentalist on the fire, Jeb!"
10:36:12< elux> it was there the other day .. what happened?
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10:36:32< dmacks> elux: 10.4 or 10.3?
10:36:48< elux> 10.4
10:36:52< elux> i just did an update right now
10:36:56< elux> fink selfupdate; fink update-all
10:37:01< akh> According to http://fink.sourceforge.net/pdb/package.php/ghc it's not there.
10:37:06< akh> Probably got pulled.
10:37:34< dmacks> Right akh...maintainer couldn't get it to build on Tiger.
10:37:50< baba> isn't it possible to set older version of %n-dev in BuildConflicts?
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10:38:32< elux> pulled? that sucks
10:38:36< dmacks> baba: Yes. (BuildConflicts: %n-dev (<<%v-%r)) is what you're thinking?
10:38:54< dmacks> elux: Yeah. IIRC, the build process is a huge mess:(
10:39:01< baba> yep. i tried and didn't seem to work.
10:39:23< elux> hrmm
10:39:35< dmacks> baba: buildlock error? or no effect at all?
10:39:37< elux> maybe i should switch to darwinports? is that finally usable?
10:40:23< akh> elux: I imagine that if they have a Tiger port our maintainer would have used the same stuff to get our package to build.
10:40:46< akh> I may be wrong on that...
10:40:56< baba> dmacks: i remember it was a buildlock error.. but not sure, i closed the terminal
10:41:05< pogma> elux: they may have a working port, ask on #darwinports
10:41:13< pogma> elux: or simply try it, it is usable
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10:42:00< akh> They do.
10:42:23 * akh hates it when I'm wrong.
10:42:40< dmacks> Looks like the newer version isn't quite as bad to build.
10:43:22< akh> Yeah.  Maybe someone should email the maintainer.
10:44:54< dmacks> dports' portfile database is hosed. I wish they hadn't stolen that idea from us.
10:45:06< akh> heh
10:45:26< akh> Ah--he's got 6.4 in his exp.
10:45:50< akh> and:  "DescPort: <<
10:45:51< akh> This port borrows heavily from Gregory Wright's DarwinPorts package."
10:45:57< akh> nm
10:46:09< dmacks> ha
10:47:41 * akh hugs TextWrangler for giving me an Aqua editor that can serve as $EDITOR
10:48:15< pogma> vim!
10:48:34< akh> Does vim have an Aqua mode.
10:48:36< akh> ?
10:48:47< dmacks> Answer: who cares? Get a real editor.
10:49:10< akh> bah! 
10:50:21< akh> hmm...maybe I should actually _build_ the new xcircuit first...
10:50:34< pogma> dmacks was christened dmacks because his parents liked the similarity to emacs :)
10:50:52< dmacks> :)
10:51:26< baba> i saw emacs books in Mac section in a bookstore
10:51:35< akh> If I had a reliable  Aqua emacs I'd use that.
10:52:02 * baba conflicts with emacs
10:52:18< akh> removing baba
10:52:21< akh> :-P
10:52:31< baba> grrrrr
10:52:38< akh> ;-)
10:53:33< dmacks> baba: Having a BConflict on a pkg's own -dev usually indicates a libtool bug in the pkg.
10:54:27< baba> oh yes..
10:55:23< baba> i get a lot of libtool troubles with this package
10:56:49< baba> well, im thinking to make another package (gadl13) cos the compat version of shlibs changed..
10:56:52< baba> do i make sense?
10:58:17< dmacks> If the compat version changes, you don't need a new package name. If the install_name changes, you do.
10:58:57< dmacks> (libfoo.0.dylib 1.0.0 -> 2.0.0 is okay; libfoo.0.dylib -> libfoo.1.dylib requires new %n)
11:00:17< baba> how about libgdal.1.6.0 -> libgdal.1.7.0?
11:00:33< baba> that's another thing?
11:00:48< dmacks> Is that the install_name, or just the low-level filename?
11:01:32< baba> i think low-level
11:01:38< dmacks> low-level doesn't matter.
11:01:56< baba> okay
11:02:33< dmacks> The install_name is the only thing visible to other packages, so that's the important thing to look at.
11:02:51< dmacks> (when considering changing %n)
11:05:56< dmacks> akh: cvs pkg works fine for me on 10.3
11:06:07< akh> dmacks: cool!
11:06:35< dmacks> Used it to submit three bugs to gnome so far:)
11:06:40< akh> hehe
11:17:35< asari> akh: how can I create localized page for  the wiki?
11:17:48< akh> asari: That, I don't know.
11:17:53< asari> edit Fink:ja:NewMaintainer or ja:Fink:NewMaintainer?
11:18:02< asari> hm.
11:18:03< akh> Ah--the first.
11:18:23< akh> All of our pages should start with Fink:
11:18:47< asari> okay!
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11:46:21 * akh tries to implement a GUI for an analysis tool.
11:46:47< atouss> Simple question: How do I start etherape? (g4-10.3.9) I have installed the latest binary.
11:47:36< akh> Is /sw/bin/etherape on your system?
11:48:53< atouss> no.
11:49:35< akh> Ah, I _did_ remember correctly.  The binary version of this package for 10.3 was broken.
11:50:04< atouss> ok. shall i try the source?
11:50:18< akh> Yes, and I'll make a note of this for later.
11:50:36< atouss> ok. will keep you posted of my results. TKS.
11:50:37< Murr> yes, people have reported that it was broken
11:50:42< Murr> don't know why exactly
11:51:10< Murr> that's the curse of porting haX0r tools
11:51:50< Murr> lots of bug reports from not very technical people
11:52:57< dmacks> Unlike other fink packages.
11:55:24< lisppaste> akh pasted "10.3" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/12069
11:56:29< dmacks> 'at's the same %v-%r in unstable! /me builds to see what's going on...
11:57:13< akh> Same for 10.4-transitional bindist.
11:57:53< lisppaste> akh annotated #12069 with "and built locally..." at http://paste.lisp.org/display/12069#1
11:58:49 * akh thinks drm's computer didn't like it for some reason. ;-)
11:58:56< dmacks> Okay, first problem is that it denies the existance of gnome-vfs2-ssl*
11:59:09< akh> As should we all.
11:59:16< dmacks> ha:)
11:59:30< akh> biab
12:00:56< dmacks> Would be interesting for drm to keep transcripts of the compiles of bindist pkgs.
12:01:42< akh> He may at that.
12:04:41< dmacks> I do get /sw/bin/etherape, but there are other serious build-time errors in the package. Can't rule out one of them bit drm's build before that executable even got installed.
12:04:56< akh> right
12:05:04< Murr> and as I lay down the compile // I beg drm my logs to file
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12:05:13 * dmacks bets drm's got installed directly into %p
12:05:15< akh> Murr: heh
12:05:17< dmacks> Murr: heh
12:05:39< Murr> if I just crash before I build // I beg drm my job to kill
12:05:51< akh> lol
12:06:17< dmacks> ! :)
12:07:21< dmacks> Crap, where did msachs' make-world logs go?
12:07:50 * dmacks thought fink.opendarwin.org/build but I guess not.
12:09:10< dmacks> atouss: So the moral of the story is: 1. bindist etherape is broken, because 2. stable and unstable etherape are broken.
12:09:30< akh> (only less so)
12:09:45< dmacks> I'm emailing the maintainer...If you give me your email address, I can Cc you on it.
12:09:58< Murr> dmacks what buil errors did you find in etherape?
12:10:10< Murr> i think I still own that package, so it would be incumbent upon me to fix em
12:10:10< dmacks> It installs directly to %p instead of %i.
12:10:27< Murr> sigh
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12:11:20< atouss> not a crisis, simply trying to test the program. Tks for the heads up and the efforts.
12:11:35 * dmacks stops looking for maintainer's name/address:)
12:12:56< dmacks> (/me first noticed it for the manpages)
12:13:24< akh> dmacks:   I think it's only the manpages--that's a pretty simple .info file.
12:14:19< dmacks> There's a boatload of "No such file or directory" msgs, but they appear to be ignored...probably relies on some documention converter we don't have or somesuch.
12:14:31< akh> ah
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12:15:24< dmacks> If the build process ignores those, I wonder if it also ignores a failure to link the etherape executable...
12:16:52< dmacks> Murr: Adding |gnome-vfs2-ssl-dev to BuildDepends and adding --disable-dependency-tracking to ConfigureParams would be nice:)
12:18:03< Murr> sigh
12:18:09< akh> dmacks: Maybe fink should set --disable-dependency-tracking by default and have a .info file flag to override it.
12:18:20< Murr> those gnome packages give an entirely new meaning to the word "codependency"
12:18:37< dmacks> ya
12:21:29< sid77> newbie question: how do I get similar lines of text from two text file with diff?
12:22:23< dmacks> Murr: Yup, failure to link the etherape executable does not cause the build process to crash.
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12:23:21< dmacks> sid77: You mean you want to see both complete files, side-by-side, with differences flagged? Or you *just* want to see samenesses (the "opposite" of the normal output)?
12:23:39< Murr> presumably because etherape was written by 31337 h4X0rz
12:24:12< akh> OTOH, it _does_ seem to work homebuilt on 10.4.2.
12:24:21< sid77> dmacks, I need the "opposite" of diff, for the first topic I've just "man sdiff" :)
12:26:44< Murr> sid diff lets you configure in arbitrary ways, including just showing same parts
12:27:12< sid77> Murr, I was just asking how :)
12:27:55< dmacks> diff --unchanged-line-format='%L' --{old,new}-line-format=''
12:28:37< dmacks> (which is also in 'man diff' :)
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12:30:28< sid77> uops
12:30:35< sid77> not read that part
12:30:41< sid77> sorry :P
12:30:45 * dmacks never had before 5 minutes ago either:)
12:31:00< sid77> thanks for help
12:31:04< dmacks> you're welcome
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12:31:25< Murr> neither had I, I just knew it was there
12:31:34< akh> dmacks:  So _did_ you get a working executable on 10.3?
12:32:42< dmacks> It gets as far as a runtime crash (missing support files...I didn't 'fink install' because 'fink build' crashed)
12:32:56< dmacks> ...but the executable exists and "runs"
12:33:04< akh> hmmm...
12:33:30 * akh tries to figure out what to put in the wiki
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12:40:00< dmacks> Nice...they fail to define $LIBTOOL
12:42:00< RangerRick> dmacks: I think that happens when something's broken
12:42:37 * asari -> sleep. 3 hours over from the time to go bed:)
12:42:58< dmacks> RangerRick: No kiddin'?
12:43:24< RangerRick> dmacks: like, libtoolize didn't happen right or some part of the autogen didn't finish, or you're mixing and matching versions
12:43:29< RangerRick> not 100% sure though, pogma's the go-to guy for such things  :)
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12:44:15< dmacks> Ahah! So that means --mode=link is the beginning of the command, and a Makefile line that begins with - causes make to ignore errors.
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13:06:02 * dmacks was gonna ask about the missing db2html, but etherape's docbook sgml is a giant mess so don't bother:)
13:06:30< akh> ah
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13:58:27< sid77> re
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14:05:37< dmacks> A drop of golden sun...
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14:06:22< akh> heh
14:06:40 * akh can't get that fscking song out of my head now. 
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14:40:50< RangerRick> haha
14:48:10< regeya> RangerRick, you must share the secret of the no-bouncing-iterm-icon. :-)
14:48:33< regeya> *bounce*...*bounce*...*bounce*...
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14:48:57< regeya> I tried downgrading.  honestly I did.
14:49:06 * regeya goes back to no-tabs terminal
14:49:38< regeya> I have this mental image of Office's Clippy:  "It looks like you've typed some text!  Would you like me to distract you?"
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15:04:45< akh> hehe
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15:21:33< RangerRick> regeya: well, I've built iterm from their CVS, maybe that's why
15:25:20< dmacks> bbl
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17:22:14< regeya> aha, bless you RangerRick.
17:22:31< regeya> *bounce*...*bounce*...*bounce*...
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17:41:12< newmanbe> Hmm, my Gopher server is getting ~0.2 megabytes of new content a day.
17:41:20 * newmanbe goes off to make the backup script compress it.
17:42:54< newmanbe> s/a day/every two days or so.
17:43:19< newmanbe> Until then, no more talking!
17:45:24< newmanbe> Okay, you can start talking again.
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18:36:34< nnutter> I am having some trouble and unfortunately I don't understand what is going on. I kind of garbaged things up a bit. I am on Mac OS 10.4 and at one point I think I had gfortran installed as a binary but then I removed it and installed darwinports. Well I have now removed darwinports and installed fink and gfortran but when I try to compile a program I get a bunch of errors from ld. I will post them in #flood if anyone wants to look at them
18:45:28< nnutter> OK, it is posted
18:45:30< nnutter> I'll post again if asked
18:47:01< pogma> those are warnings, not errors, right?
18:47:40< pogma> btw, you can use lisppaste for pasting
18:47:43< pogma> lisppaste: url?
18:47:44< lisppaste> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink and enter your paste.
18:51:28< muesli> dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `fink-buildlock-gstreamer-0.8.11-2' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed.
18:51:38< muesli> i always get this message, how can i fix it?
18:51:55< nnutter> ah I guess they are, it still output a binary
18:52:33< nnutter> pogma: I did what it said with the -bind_at_load flag and they went away but I am still curious as to why this started happening all of a sudden
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19:00:40< muesli> btw
19:00:53< dmacks> muesli: dpkg may say that's a serious warning, and in general a missing files list file is, but not for fink-buildlock-*
19:01:08< dmacks> It's fixed in the most recent versions of fink.
19:01:20< muesli> is there a way to use the original program icons (kde stuff esp.) with os x?
19:01:23< muesli> dmacks: thought so
19:01:32< muesli> nice to hear it's fixed, thnks
19:02:03< dmacks> (the thing legitimately has no files, but I forgot that dpkg hates when that happens, so I added a dummy file:)
19:09:33< muesli> dmacks: what about the application icons, do you have a clue?
19:10:06< dmacks> No idea...I don't do unix-world icons.
19:16:20< muesli> sorry for sliiiightly offtopic... but is there a good torrent client for osx?
19:22:06< dmacks> Again beyond my experience.
19:24:07< RangerRick> muesli: the official client works just fine on osx
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20:00:09< nnutter> I like Tomato Torrent too
20:00:41< nnutter> Official client has queueing though
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20:27:26< akh> Time to grow some new Tigers.
20:28:06< dmacks> mmmm...seeds....
20:32:30< akh> Good thing I've got broadband...
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20:35:58< veristead> can anyone help me with installing ircii for multiple users
20:36:30< veristead> seemingly ircii works on my account, but i have another user account that seemingly thinks that it doesn't exist
20:37:32< akh> Is this a Fink-installed ircii ?
20:37:35< veristead> yea
20:37:42< veristead> for Tiger
20:38:11< akh> Is the second account also set up to read in init.sh (or init.csh) as part of its login?
20:38:30< veristead> in it's $PATH?
20:38:42< veristead> i dnt actually know 
20:38:49< akh> That's probably what's going on.
20:39:03< veristead> ok how can i fix that
20:39:08< akh> You need to run /sw/bin/pathsetup.sh from the second account.
20:39:43< veristead> ah yes, that is what i thought and i did that, but it didn't work
20:40:01< veristead> it says now that "Your environment seems to be correctly
20:40:04< veristead> set up for Fink already."
20:40:13< veristead> after executing that command
20:40:25< veristead> but 'irc' command still does not work
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20:40:51< pogma> ircii
20:41:03< veristead> on the 1st account /sw/bin:/sw/sbin:/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/X11R6/bin is the path
20:41:15< veristead> pogma: irc works on my first account
20:41:23< veristead> but not on the second
20:41:27< pogma> source /sw/bin/init.sh
20:41:40< veristead> and it's typed out exactly as "irc"
20:41:47< pogma> or start a new terminal
20:42:16< veristead> ah there we go
20:42:17< veristead> that worked
20:42:24< veristead> wat was up w/ that?
20:42:30< veristead> that seemed so simple
20:43:15< akh> Changes to the login setup aren't registered until you run a login shell.
20:43:27< veristead> ah
20:43:29< veristead> i see
20:43:32< veristead> interesting
20:45:58< dmacks> I'm going to write a package for the freedesktop env vars. This is the base of the freedesktop standard, which is often called "xdg". What pkg-name should I use?
20:46:13< dmacks> "freedesktop-base"? "xdg-base"?
20:46:52< akh> #2
20:47:12< veristead> can someone test my telnet setup
20:47:17< veristead> just see if you can connect
20:47:18< pogma> USE provides!
20:47:34< veristead> 'telnet phonelosers.no-ip.org'
20:47:38< pogma> sorry, didn't mean to shout
20:47:45< veristead> see if it works
20:47:49 * pogma kicks caps-lock key
20:47:57< veristead> O_O
20:48:08< dmacks> I was thinking about patching fink to auto-generate random package names at all times, and then shift the declared Package into Provides.
20:48:38< newmanbe> That would be[dramatic pause], not nice.
20:49:28< dmacks> Given that we don't have a section:system and this thing is likely to be used by both gnome and kde, how do we feel about section:base or section:shells?
20:49:29< veristead> can anyone?
20:49:46< newmanbe> veristead: Does that computer that has the telnetd use Mac OS X?
20:49:55< dmacks> Trying 68.163.246.219...
20:49:58< veristead> yes newmanbe
20:49:59< dmacks> Connected to phonelosers.no-ip.org.
20:49:59< dmacks> Escape character is '^]'.
20:50:01< akh> veristead:  works for me
20:50:04< dmacks> login: 
20:50:04< veristead> good
20:50:10< veristead> awesome
20:50:14< newmanbe> Did you use Apple's telnetd.
20:50:17< veristead> that means i set up tiger's telnet properly
20:50:19< dmacks> And the root password is not "root":)
20:50:23< veristead> lol
20:50:28< veristead> newmanbe: no
20:50:31< newmanbe> Ah, okay.
20:50:35< newmanbe> No?
20:50:38< veristead> well it's built in to the kernel
20:50:43< veristead> so maybe
20:50:49< newmanbe> That's what I meant.
20:50:50< veristead> but possible that it is darwin's
20:50:58< veristead> and not Apple's own
20:51:08< newmanbe> It's liek Apple's OpenSSL.  It's not really Apple's.
20:51:20< veristead> apple seemingly hides the telnet capability
20:51:29< veristead> and you have to edit a file in order to get it 
20:51:37< veristead> to work
20:51:56< veristead> comment out '#login' '#shell' and '#telnet'
20:52:00< dmacks> /usr/libexec/telnetd is as "Apple's" as we get:)
20:52:19< veristead> and make sure obviously that your /etc/services file is setup correctly
20:52:29< newmanbe> And it doesn't accept the same flags as its manpage says it does.
20:53:03< veristead> well use the one that is hidden
20:53:06< veristead> are you at your mac right now
20:53:10< veristead> ?
20:53:12< newmanbe> Yes.
20:53:19< veristead> type in 'cd /etc'
20:53:47< veristead> then type in sudo 'pico inetd.conf'
20:53:54< veristead> and password obviously
20:53:55< newmanbe> Pico? Eww. :)
20:54:03< veristead> well whatever
20:54:04< akh> vi
20:54:05< veristead> you know
20:54:16< veristead> it all works
20:54:23< newmanbe> veristead: I got it started before.
20:54:33< newmanbe> I don't want it to use the default command flags.
20:54:41< newmanbe> And it doesn't like the ones in its manpage.
20:54:44< newmanbe> That was my problem.
20:54:46< veristead> yea i know
20:54:56< veristead> but this is cuz apple has their own telnet thing
20:55:19< veristead> commenting it out makes all the ones in the manpage work
20:55:38< veristead> but unfortunately apple has it's own deamon for telnet
20:55:50< veristead> so the man pages are to a different deamon that was not apple's
20:56:07< veristead> but this opens up the original telnet found on almost any UNIX/Linux box
20:56:07< newmanbe> Which makes perfect sense! :(
20:56:21< veristead> you need to sudo pico inetd.conf
20:56:59< veristead> and then remove the '#' in the line that says "#login", "#shell" and "#telnet"
20:57:07< veristead> and then save changes
20:57:11< veristead> and viola
20:57:14< veristead> it works
20:57:27< veristead> well after port forwarding on your router
20:58:52< dmacks> Ahh...tcpwrappers:/
20:59:46< veristead> # WARNING
20:59:47< veristead> #
20:59:47< veristead> # Mac OS 10.2 and forward uses xinetd instead of the traditional inetd.
20:59:47< veristead> # See xinetd.conf(5) if you need to add a service to run out of xinetd.
20:59:47< veristead> # Please use /sbin/service to interface over editing the shipped files
21:00:02< newmanbe> inetd still works.
21:00:32< veristead> well yea.. 
21:00:41< veristead> that is the traditional one
21:01:17< veristead> i remember good ole 10.1 that used inetd
21:01:43< veristead> then they swapped to xinetd, but kept the inetd in there, but just needed to be edited
21:02:21< veristead> isn't there a way to limit the commands that a user account can use in Mac OS X in the terminal
21:02:52< newmanbe> You could set funny permissions.
21:03:18< newmanbe> Or change there path (only works if they don't really know what they're doing).
21:03:18< newmanbe> s/there/their/
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21:03:51< veristead> cuz i want to limit an account to only use 'finger' 'irc' 'talk' 'wall' and 'mail'
21:04:00< veristead> oh and 'ls'
21:04:07< veristead> of course
21:04:09< newmanbe> You could write your own shell. :)
21:04:19< veristead> yea but no
21:04:27< newmanbe> I don't see how ls would be useful if they can't edit any files...
21:04:45< veristead> no it just makes them feel important
21:04:56< veristead> that would be the only reason
21:05:05< newmanbe> Or setup a shell script that runs on login and presents them with a menu.
21:05:15< newmanbe> And logs them out when it exists.
21:06:43< veristead> interesting thought
21:06:50< pogma> chroot
21:08:07< veristead> isn't there a /exec command that could be used to loop a process and hog up computer resources?
21:08:33< veristead> like /exec banner "BLAH" or something like that
21:20:33< dmacks> There used to be things called "restricted shells" that only had limited capabilities and command access. Don't know if it's supported in Apple's shells.
21:21:32< dmacks> But really if you only want them to have 4 commands, give 'em a menu.
21:23:13< dmacks> Aw crap...RuntimeVars gets single-quoted. *grumble*
21:24:59< newmanbe> !lart NetInfo
21:24:59 * Melian blames NetInfo for all the evil in the world
21:25:57< dmacks> Pretty accurate, Melian:)
21:26:14< akh> heh
21:26:36< newmanbe> !lart Apple for not having a normal passwd
21:26:36 * Melian farts in Apple's general direction for not having a normal passwd
21:28:09 * newmanbe is working on his pastebin gophersite.
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21:37:39< newmanbe> veristead: You can have shell scripts as someones login shell.
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21:53:29< newmanbe> !woot
21:53:29< Melian> woot!
21:53:41< newmanbe> Melian: forget woot
21:53:42< Melian> newmanbe: i forgot woot
21:53:49< newmanbe> Melian: woot is <REPLY>Woot!
21:53:49< Melian> okay, newmanbe
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