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01:12:23< spundun> vasi: ok.. I just committed the fix to the cvs.. for gnome-spell.
01:12:36< vasi> cool
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02:06:38< Clef> RangerAway slashdotted
02:07:01< Clef> & fink
02:18:26< asari> Clef: hi
02:21:26< asari> Clef: We Todai Team is trying to make a Japanese translation of FinkCommander, and it seems almost done.
02:21:42< asari> We is ...:(
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08:37:39< akh> hi all
08:38:37< akh> "Fink's docs are wrong.  Things don't work right after I hit control-C in the middle of an index."
08:38:51< akh> PEBKAC!
08:40:02< akh> WTF, do we have to document every fscking failure mode?!!!!
08:40:23 * akh takes my blue pill to calm down. ;-)
08:42:50 * akh thinks we should charge $50 if somebody claims the docs are wrong if they aren't.
08:43:03< akh> Punishment-based tech support could make us a bundle.
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08:46:30 * asari uses his dictionary
08:46:32< asari> does a bundle mean money?
08:46:39< asari> hi akh!
08:47:16< akh> asari: bundle == "a sack full of money"
08:47:28< asari> hehe
08:48:08< asari> I might have to pay a lot, then
08:48:50< akh> Contributors would get a substantial discount.
08:49:09< akh> Only $5.
08:49:10< cirdan> akh: good, we need $2k for the lawyer
08:49:10< asari> sounds good for me ;O
08:49:23< akh> cirdan: If only we had a way to enforce it.
08:49:38< cirdan> CC# required to join ml
08:49:41< cirdan> :-)
08:50:04< akh> heh
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08:51:27< asari> Just now I performed fink selfupdate, and got a warning:
08:51:33< asari> WARNING: End of file reached during here-document in "/sw/fink/dists/unstable/main/finkinfo/gnome/gnome-python2-py.info".
08:51:46 * asari takes a look of it
08:51:58< akh> Somebody must have forgotten a <<
08:52:12< asari> should be it
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08:59:56< akh> Looks like _somebody_ didn't validate before committing.
09:01:02< cirdan> hehe
09:04:27< akh> Yup--didn't close the Info2 tag.
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09:08:21 * akh fixed
09:09:58< cirdan> +<<
09:10:00< cirdan> \ No newline at end of file
09:10:04< cirdan> bad editor!
09:10:11< akh> oops
09:10:13< cirdan> akh...
09:10:19< cirdan> :-p
09:10:44< asari> :)
09:11:28< asari> fm? it seems .. 
09:11:59< asari> didn't close DescPackaging tag?
09:15:03< akh> Yeah--I'll just comment that line out.
09:16:31< asari> Maybe he had decided to start writing DescPackaging, then forgot it.
09:16:35< akh> Could be.
09:16:52< akh> It should be OK now.
09:17:04< akh> According to the validator, anyway.
09:17:15< asari> heh
09:17:34< akh> And it _should_ know.
09:18:16 * asari verified
09:19:02< asari> am, what can I say here, now?
09:19:03< akh> Good.
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09:19:13< asari> "good job"?
09:19:19< asari> "thanks"?
09:19:22< asari> or 
09:19:38< akh> Either way. ;-)
09:19:39 * asari just passes akg a glass of beer
09:19:50 * akh steals it from akg
09:19:52< asari> akh, sorry
09:20:02< asari> ;)
09:21:05< akh> SF really needs to update their mailman to include a "clobber all queued messages" option.
09:21:40< akh> I can pretty much guarantee that any messages on fink-commits that aren't from a subscriber are SPAM.
09:21:41< cirdan> hehe
09:21:54< cirdan> yay...
09:21:55< cirdan> 154:59:10
09:22:01< cirdan> to expand my RAID
09:22:26< akh> How many TB now?
09:22:39< cirdan> it'll only be 2.3TB
09:22:59< cirdan> out of about 3.0 total possible
09:23:19< akh> ah
09:29:06 * akh considers setting up a software mirrored raid on this box.
09:29:46< cirdan> yeah, i have 400G lvm2 regions on the raid, to keep fs corruption to a min
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09:30:09< akh> Good plan
09:30:10< cirdan> xfs :-p
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09:30:43< cirdan> i could just have a 3TB filesystem w/xfs
09:30:52< cirdan> but i'd cry <--no backups
09:31:15< akh> Yeah--that
09:31:17 * akh '
09:31:20< akh> oy
09:31:24< akh> That's a problem.
09:31:25< cirdan> hehe
09:31:40< cirdan> 10:30 am and akh is already hammered...
09:31:56< akh> heh--coffee clearly having a reversed effect.
09:32:21< cirdan> you need to drink coffe > whiskey
09:32:47< akh> Probably.  I'd have to take the latter from home, since I get in before the liquor stores open.
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09:33:07< cirdan> heh
09:33:24< akh> Keeping a bottle in the office might be a bad idea...
09:33:36< cirdan> flask in the comp bag
09:34:00< akh> Yup
09:36:22 * akh discovered that MIT has an ISO distribution for Tiger on CD.
09:37:12< akh> And we still have at least one computer with no DVD drive, so...
09:38:21< cirdan> cool
09:38:29< cirdan> bbl
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10:01:16< runelind> oh cruel cruel world
10:01:35< runelind> I rebooted this morning cause of the security updates, forgetting that I was in the middle of a fink build openoffice.org
10:04:43< asari> fink can't continue the build :(
10:08:07< asari> runelind: I'm now working on a new package that uses fink-provided shlibs.
10:12:53< asari> there are info and patch in experimental/asari, so feel free to try them!
10:12:57< asari> it can less your compile time, or more ;)
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11:16:17< akh> asari:  But I'm going to need the long compile time for heat this winter.
11:16:20< akh> :-)
11:16:36< asari> heh
11:17:28< akh> (I actually did use my laptop for heat one night last year when our oil tank ran empty)
11:18:51< Gardner> "Energy crisis? Build KDE!"
11:19:04< akh> It's part of the conspiracy.
11:19:17< asari> akh: Keep a cat, it's important
11:19:25< Gardner> Cheney keeps commiting patches upstream, dammit.
11:19:31< akh> asari: I have two dogs (allergic to cats)
11:19:54< asari> ah, too bad
11:21:15< cirdan> akh: haha
11:21:17< asari> Dogs can't be put under the legs..
11:21:25< cirdan> mmm cat
11:21:38 * cirdan is in the mood for tacos now
11:21:38 * Gardner has two Shih-Tzus, they make good slippers.
11:21:54< akh> asari: Mine certainly can't--they're small for their breed (lab) but not that small.
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11:24:52< dmacks> %% See...my...loafers? Former gophers! Was either that or skin my chaufeur. %%
11:25:02< cirdan> heh
11:25:09< akh> Ex-cellent!
11:25:18 * akh tents my fingers.
11:25:23< cirdan> yay! only 153:53:57 to go
11:25:30< cirdan> maybe it'll only take 6 days
11:26:00< cirdan> prolly not
11:28:37< dmacks> Wow, /. is carrying a breaking story that one can use fink to install KDE/x11 on OS X.
11:29:10< akh> OMG!  really?  I didn't know that!  :O 
11:29:50< akh> Yeah, but can you install KDE/Mac?  Huh?!
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11:30:18< akh> Too bad RangerAway was away so that we couldn't needle him mercilessly.
11:30:32< dmacks> ya:)
11:30:47< akh> btw:  Should I have reved up openvrml when I transplanted it to crypto?
11:31:38< dmacks> Technically? Yeah. In practice? No.
11:31:54 * akh will be pragmatic then. :-)
11:32:04< akh> Especially as it's not _my_ package.
11:32:35< akh> Let the maintainer suffer the wrath of fink-core for any such violations.
11:32:54< dmacks> Section, Maintainer, Description and DescUsage, even Homepage are in the .deb, but...meh.
11:37:34< akh> Ugh.  
11:38:12< dmacks> 'since the Qt toolkit underlying KDE has anative Mac version, we can expect a native port of KDE to follow fairly soon'
11:38:21< dmacks> Cat's outa da bag, RangerAway!
11:38:32< akh> bwahhahaa!
11:38:41< akh> (or something)
11:39:02< akh> Gotta love the depth on /.  9.9 
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11:41:24 * akh imagines the howls of outrage if we forced rebuilds of KDE or OO.org for typos in DescUsage.
11:41:33< dmacks> heh
11:43:16 * akh updates my "unsupported" fink installation.
11:43:33< akh> It does seem to work, though.
11:43:41< cirdan> akh: gont forget gnome
11:43:50< akh> cirdan: yeah.
11:43:58< dmacks> cirdan: Please shut up...we're *trying* to!
11:44:04< akh> hah
11:44:08< cirdan> heh
11:44:13< cirdan> gone gnome gnome!
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12:36:03< spundun> dmacks: hiya.. re: the gnome-spell problem yesterday, I put the fix in cvs yesterday... gnome-spell should be working now.
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12:54:36< dmacks> spundun: Great thanks! Must be some weird interaction among Tiger and [some other stuff], no clue what. Don't really care since it's an easy fix.
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14:15:50< dmacks> Melian?
14:16:37< cirdan> dmacks?
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14:16:59< dmacks> One of those is here, t'other ain't:)
14:17:20< cirdan> Melian: lart dmacks 
14:17:22 * Melian send killer squirrels to attack dmacks
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14:17:54< dmacks> Okay, two of three of [dmacks, Melian, irssi tab-completion] are working.
14:18:02< dmacks> Well 1.5 perhaps...
14:18:14< akh> You're only half-working? :-P
14:18:21< dmacks> At best, man.
14:18:26< akh> hehe
14:18:42< dmacks> akh: Congrats to .ma.us for OpenDoc:)
14:19:06< cirdan> heh
14:19:39< akh> Yup.  Maybe /me can try to get a job with my local municipality training people how to convert their docs to oo.org.
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14:20:38< akh> I'd try to keep my current job, too, of course.
14:21:48< dmacks> According to M$, it'll cost Many Huge Shitloads Of Money to convert, so you could charge just a few smaller shitloads and everyone wins:)
14:21:49< akh> (especially knowing that part of the reason for the OpenDoc switch was to save money)
14:22:07< akh> dmacks: That was what I was hoping.
14:22:39< akh> IMO Excel stuff will be the worst.
14:22:50< dmacks> yees
14:24:10 * akh does quite a bit of Excel--oo conversion.  I finally decided that I should just export the text from whichever spreadsheet and plot it in another utility.
14:24:35< akh> That avoids the default hideous gray background that people seem to leave in place.
14:24:39 * dmacks was cleaning off an old hard drive, found my copy of Kaleidagraph
14:24:46< akh> Cool!
14:26:14< akh> How recent?
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14:26:57< cirdan> i think i have a copy floating around somewhere..
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14:27:28< dmacks> v3.0 (file created august 25, 1999)
14:27:30 * akh is trying out gri--It's only slightly harder to use than LaTeX. ;-)
14:27:37< cirdan> KaleidaGraph 3.6.2
14:27:44< cirdan> haha
14:27:47< dmacks> hehe
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14:27:57< akh> dmacks: You may still be eligible for the free update.  
14:28:05< akh> (checked their website)
14:29:10< dmacks> It says single-user upgrade is $59.95...don't see anything about freebies:(
14:29:27< akh> ah
14:29:41 * akh didn't actually *read* it--just made the assumption.
14:30:02 * akh is learning gri--it's like LaTeX, only less friendly.
14:30:18< akh> And studying redundancy, too.
14:30:19< cirdan> graphvis!
14:30:21< dmacks> "3.6.4 updater: for an existing copy of version 3.6 or newer."
14:30:23< cirdan> and latex
14:30:55< akh> I could probably do graphviz--I've got the Aqua version since Fink's is old.  ;-)
14:31:27< akh> It's for more than just KDE dependency plots. :-)
14:31:38< cirdan> :-p
14:31:42< cirdan> dotty!
14:32:06< dmacks> Mmm...dotty...do the dep-tree while you're at it:)
14:34:01< akh> yup
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14:54:05< dmacks> Hmm...installer is too smart to upgrade my crusty old version. Oh well, not like I graph anything right now anyway:)
14:54:36< akh> heh
14:54:45< cirdan> hehe
14:56:28 * akh gives someone flak for reporting problems when compiling with XCode2.2 prerelease.
14:56:48< dmacks> heh
14:56:54< dmacks> !boot to the head
14:59:44 * akh -> seminar
15:09:53< cirdan> food <- cirdan
15:10:09< newmanbe> !make cirdan food
15:10:10 * Melian whips up food for cirdan real quick.
15:10:18< newmanbe> Whiped food!
15:10:28< newmanbe> Is that like pureed food? ;)
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15:20:03 * newmanbe finally starts building on he fresh Fink install.
15:20:08< newmanbe> !woot
15:20:09< Melian> woot!
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15:29:01< cirdan> woO0Oot!
15:31:19< dmacks> heh...looks like conditionals in the Files field breaks curly-braces file-globbing
15:32:54< dmacks> w'oughta document exactly what things *are* supported that are useful before we accidentally break an undocumented featurelet that people rely on.
16:06:44< akh> WoTFWiki
16:07:03< akh> (write on)
16:07:47< newmanbe> DTFWiki
16:07:47< newmanbe> Destroy! ;)
16:07:50< dmacks> <ralph>I bent my Wiki</>
16:08:15< akh> hehe
16:09:21< dmacks> akh: You saw the homepage .es correction there? Do we still have language-masters, or is it more of a free-for-all now?
16:10:05< akh> Dunno--I haven't seen any non-english commits from anyone but baba in a while.
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16:12:32 * akh agrees with the logic though.
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16:12:36< akh> tengo un poco Español
16:13:14< akh> Maybe if I take care of it, that'll summon miga. ;-)
16:13:57 * akh should add that page to my "watched" list.
16:15:49< dmacks> hehe
16:16:46< dmacks> I just emailed her about gnome-menus, and asked a user who emailed me about one of her packages to email her also.
16:17:57< akh> We need a higher pay rate to deal with our retention problems.  :-)
16:18:25< dmacks> Wassamatter, health insurance doesn't cover diuretics?
16:18:52< akh> Didn't even think about that angle.
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18:47:31< cirdan> heh
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19:45:46< lane> has anybody seen rangerrick lately?
19:46:43< lane> I'm trying to package a couple new kde packages
19:47:06< lane> but I'm hitting a problem where configure complains loudly about the version of gcc that I'm using on Tiger
19:47:23< lane> and I figured he'd probably seen it before
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20:04:09< cirdan> yeah
20:04:16< cirdan> wait until xocde 2.2
20:04:20< cirdan> or unpatch it
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20:10:22< lane> unpatch the configure file?
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20:43:38< lane> Is there any way to prevent there being a trash.desktop file that shows up on my Aqua desktop if I run KDE?
20:46:32< Gardner> lane: You can make it invisible to the Finder.
20:47:14< lane> How?
20:48:13< Gardner> There's a SetFile command in /Developer/Tools that will let you set various HFS+ attributes, including visibility.
20:48:31< Gardner> Probably some GUI way to do it, too, but that's the way I do it.
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20:52:23< prock> I've got to remove fink from an osx system... can I just remove /sw and be done with it?
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21:01:16< Dk0r> In 10.4.2, is it possible to change command+[ or ] (which functions as forward or back in finder) to command+(left arrow) or (right arrow)
21:01:27< Dk0r> ?
21:01:34< Gardner> prock: That's the theory, check the site for any gotchas.
21:01:43< prock> yeah thanks I found the faq :)
21:02:04< Gardner> WTF does that have to do with Fink, Dk0r?
21:02:26< Dk0r> well.. fink is on osx.. and all #macintosh chans are filled with ... uh. 
21:02:39< Dk0r> illiterates?
21:02:50< Gardner> You think it's different here? ;-)
21:03:03< Dk0r> well.. youve got nix junkies, so..
21:03:06< Dk0r> you've*
21:03:13< prock> what's an illeteretes?
21:03:14 * Dk0r shrugs
21:03:16< prock> :)
21:03:28< Dk0r> i dont know what an illeteretes is
21:03:30< Dk0r> you tell me...
21:03:43< Dk0r> i know what illiterate is.
21:04:05< Gardner> You don't have to be smart to use Unix, just stubborn.
21:04:14< prock> true dat
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