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04:21:10< shres> pogma: i just changed the evolution configure script to use statfs even if statvfs is present and now binaries built on 10.4 works on 10.3 :-D
04:21:19 * shres is relieved 
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08:25:00 * akh clearly didn't learn my lesson from my cvs experience about updating useful packages.
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08:41:44< asari> hmm, what should I grep -r /usr/include ... I want to know the meaning of the error code 10
08:43:36< asari> this line fails: CFStringRef sref = (CFStringRef)CFPreferencesCopyAppValue(CFSTR("AppleLocale"), kCFPreferencesCurrentApplication);
08:44:36< asari> On my normal console, it succeeds; on CompileScript: it fails with error code 10.
08:45:44< asari> ouch, sorry. my mistake!
08:46:04< asari> forget about it
08:46:21< akh> Forget about what?  :-)
08:46:55< akh> Easy enough.
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08:52:50< asari> akh: is it easy? heh, I'm totally not familiar with C or C++
08:53:12< akh> asari: I meant that forgetting is easy.  :-)
08:53:31< asari> nor C#, perl, python,.. :)
08:53:34< asari> ah, just forget it!
08:53:57< akh> Done!
08:54:12< asari> thanks!
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09:07:44< asari> ur, I'm back again
09:08:47< asari> this line returns NULL on fink's build process: CFStringRef sref = (CFStringRef)CFPreferencesCopyAppValue(CFSTR("AppleLocale"), kCFPreferencesCurrentApplication);
09:09:25< asari> On my normal console, it returns en_US; on CompileScript: it returns NULL
09:09:35< asari> what is happening?
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09:21:17< RangerRick> no idea, asari 
09:21:37< RangerRick> fink does clean out it's environment, but I don't know what specifically it decides to keep/remove without digging into the code
09:22:11< pogma> asari: what happens when you run it sudo?
09:22:26< asari> pogma: oh
09:22:40< asari> pogma: NULL :)
09:22:44< pogma> just a wild thought
09:23:13< asari> so, root cannot get the locale???
09:23:56< asari> well, it is somewhat understandable, okay
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09:29:55< pogma> asari: I don't know, seems a little odd, but not too surprising, unlikely you set root's locale anytime
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09:30:24< pogma> I would file a bug with apple anyway :)
09:32:33< asari> trying `grep -r AppleLocale ~/Library`...
09:33:12< asari> ~Library/Preferences/.GlobalPreferences.plist is that
09:33:52< asari> if root account is not enabled, there is no ~/Library/Preferences/.GlobalPreferences.plist for root
09:34:32< asari> and so root can't get AppleLocale... 
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09:36:11< pogma> probably shouldn7t be returning NULL though, it could figure out that it's uid 0 and look for the language used an OS installation time
09:36:54 * pogma wonders if that func is part of CFLite
09:37:53< JosephSpiros> CFLite annoys
09:37:58< JosephSpiros> hard to build
09:38:46< pogma> darwinbuild it :)
09:38:54< JosephSpiros> erm, on Linux that it ;p
09:38:57< JosephSpiros> er, that is ;p
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09:44:55< pogma> Oh no! it's drm!
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09:45:03< zizban> Run!
09:45:10< pogma> hide!
09:45:12 * akh hides my pirated music.
09:45:22< akh> Wait, thats DRM.  ;-)
09:45:32< pogma> hehe
09:45:54< zizban> heh
09:46:29< pogma> I lost the windows XP cd that came with the other computer in the room, thought, OK, I'll just pirate another copy, and it'll have the advantage of being in english rather than the original japanese....
09:46:54< pogma> thing I downloaded was in chinese
09:46:54 * drm is the way of the future
09:47:02< akh> heh
09:47:07< zizban> heh
09:47:21< drm> RangerRick: I don't think that remark is necessarily fatal to us... after all, apple's gcc-3.3 doesn't build a shared library at all
09:47:22< zizban> I have a windows 2000 serial if you need it
09:48:01< zizban> (and it
09:48:03< pogma> zizban: it7s okay, if I find the original japanese cd somewhere, I'll be happy :)
09:48:07< zizban> 's valid)
09:48:20< drm> pogma: RangerRick and I were discussing the success I have had with building qt3 using gcc-4.0 but then utilizing it under gcc-3.3... I have not seen problems with this, although conceivable there could be some
09:48:43 * zizban 's work has a 2,000 seat license)
09:49:19< zizban> 200 
09:49:23< zizban> close enough
09:49:28< pogma> zizban: :-)
09:50:06< akh> Has anybody seen the fink-core item about the new wget I "unleashed"?
09:50:08< pogma> drm: No idea, if it works, then it works
09:50:14< drm> akh: yes
09:50:14< zizban> ooooo wget
09:50:29< pogma> akh: Don't worry
09:50:37 * zizban still curses apple for removing wget from Darwin
09:50:46< pogma> I'd pull it and await for fink to catch up though
09:51:00< akh> pogma:  Easy enough.
09:51:11< pogma> Oh, but I don't count, so please ignore me :)
09:51:14< akh> heh
09:51:15 * drm laughs at pogma
09:51:45< RangerRick> drm: that's true, but if the symbols are mixed up, things could get really ugly
09:52:29< RangerRick> which symbol does it end up using when a symbol hasn't changed?  the one in the compiled in libsigc.a or the one in the .so?
09:52:32< akh> pogma:  /me thought about doing that--conflicting with fink<<0.25.1-1 seemed like it would produce more trouble than it was worth.
09:52:32< RangerRick> seems like a recipe for trouble  :)
09:52:49< pogma> oh, don't conflict with fink
09:53:09< akh> yah
09:53:24< akh> As I said, "trouble"
09:53:38< pogma> and maybe you want to hardcode the libssl/libcrypto paths to avoid having to use buildconflicts too
09:54:00< akh> I did both---I wasn't sure how much voodoo was required.
09:54:15< RangerRick> akh: see http://wiki.opendarwin.org/index.php/Fink:Policy:system-openssl   :)
09:54:20 * zizban gets out the voodoo doll
09:54:24< pogma> replace -lssl with /usr/lib/libssl.dylib and same for -lcrypto and you'll be fine
09:54:39< akh> RangerRick: I did--I used that and bundle-kde-unifed.info
09:54:49< zizban> kword is a nice Framemaker replacement
09:55:06 * zizban wishes it was aqua-ized
09:55:06< akh> I just threw in the build conflict as gravy.
09:55:21< hennker> anyone willing to quickly test if my university's firewall permits ichat videochats? :)
09:55:59< pogma> Oh gravy, roast dinner, Mmmm. akh thanks for inviting us to dinner!
09:56:09< zizban> lunch time here soon
09:56:14 * zizban loves when the boss is away allday
09:57:33< cirdan> hey drm
09:57:38< cirdan> *
09:58:44 * akh pulls the new wget for now.
09:58:52 * zizban cries
09:59:06< akh> I'll put it in my experimental, though.
09:59:22< zizban> cool
09:59:28< JosephSpiros> Someone should make Debian GNU/Darwin
09:59:48< pogma> akh: either patch fink yourself to use the unchanged short options )I'd imagine that the core team would find that ok) or bug someone else to do it
10:00:21< akh> Sure.
10:00:21< pogma> then, after the next fink release to unstable, you can put back your wget
10:00:53< pogma> or you could patch wget to make --non-verbose and --no-verbose synonymous
10:01:05< zizban> JosephSpiros, someone made GNU/Darwin
10:01:09< akh> Yup.  I'll make some tweaks in the meantime.  At least it cleanly upgrades over wget-ssl. zizban might to do that for links.
10:01:13< RangerRick> not *debian* GNU/Darwin though
10:01:13< cirdan> yeah, that would work too
10:01:19< JosephSpiros> yeah, erm, my concentration isn't so much on the GNU part
10:01:27< cirdan> Darwin GNU/Debian?
10:01:27< JosephSpiros> but the Debian part
10:01:34< zizban> akh: good idea
10:01:48< RangerRick> JosephSpiros: get right on that
10:01:55< zizban> tell debian
10:01:59< JosephSpiros> eh
10:01:59< drm> hey cirdan
10:02:03< JosephSpiros> I don't care so much
10:02:13< JosephSpiros> Just something I figured I'd say and hope someone here would get bored and do it for me
10:02:22< akh> zizban: It's the same as in bundle-kde-unified:  a dummy -ssl splitoff.
10:02:24< JosephSpiros> I'd much rather just get CFLite packaged for Debian GNU/Linux
10:02:28< drm> RangerRick: so our other option is to wait until XCode 2.2 before creating the 10.4 tree, right?
10:02:46< RangerRick> drm: it sounds like it
10:02:51< zizban> akh: dummy splitoff
10:02:56 * zizban pops an aspirin
10:02:59< drm> RangerRick: have you tested kde under gcc-4.0.1?
10:03:15< RangerRick> not yet  :P
10:03:19< RangerRick> I've not tried the 10.4(non-t) tree at all
10:03:42< JosephSpiros> I think I remember reading about problems with the transition to some new version of KDE following etch's transition to 4.0.1
10:03:49< JosephSpiros> so there may be problems ;x
10:04:03< drm> RangerRick: maybe I want a seed key after all
10:04:55< pogma> 4.0.0 was blacklisted, 4.0.1 (at least fsf 4.0.1) fixed the kds build issues afaik
10:05:06< JosephSpiros> oh ok
10:05:24< JosephSpiros> gcc4 is nice :)
10:05:31< RangerRick> yeah, supposedly everything would still build with 4.0.0 just not run right  :)
10:06:18< RangerRick> drm: what's your apple ID and/or e-mail address?
10:06:43< cirdan> hmm, why the -unified? and not an empty -ssl that depends on non-ssl sll >= foo
10:08:33< RangerRick> cirdan: because it breaks when there's a bar that depends on one and conflicts wit hthe other
10:08:38< RangerRick> you can never get to a full upgrade because the conflicts bail it out
10:08:42< RangerRick> for example, kdebase3 used to conflict with kdelibs3-ssl
10:08:49< RangerRick> and vice-versa
10:09:23< RangerRick> in some cases you might be able to do that, in most there will probably be problems unless you can guarantee no external package has ever conflicted one of them
10:09:32< cirdan> hmm
10:09:41< RangerRick> believe me, that's the first thing I tried
10:09:47< RangerRick> no workie
10:09:47< RangerRick> BOOM!
10:09:56< cirdan> apt-get could fix it
10:10:01< cirdan> :-)
10:10:05< RangerRick> yes, but 'fink install' cannot  :)
10:10:13< cirdan> !lart fink install
10:10:15 * Melian whacks fink install upside the head
10:10:18< cirdan> ;-)
10:10:20< RangerRick> feel free to fix it  :)
10:10:22< cirdan> !botsnack
10:10:22< Melian> :), cirdan
10:10:25 * RangerRick grins
10:14:54< zizban> Where was Melian when I needed her yesterday?
10:15:08< zizban> oh well
10:15:22< zizban> !lart CompUSA
10:15:22 * Melian explains, ever so gently, that if CompUSA doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help
10:20:05< zizban> bah
10:20:13< zizban> !lart CompUSA
10:20:13 * Melian send killer squirrels to attack CompUSA
10:20:17< zizban> AH, BETTER
10:20:22< zizban> ooops
10:20:52< cirdan> hehe
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11:23:56 * akh decides that modifying fink would be preferable to modifying wget, because fink doesn't insist on using a wget that's part of our distro.
11:25:35< zizban> heh
11:25:54< akh> i.e. modify that which we can control absolutely.
11:36:27< zizban> absolutely
11:39:55< akh> heh
11:52:15< zizban> class time
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12:23:06< dmacks> crikey, will 10.4.3 *ever* get released?
12:28:51< cirdan> heh
12:28:51< cirdan> no
12:29:07< shres> anything particular to look forward to in 10.4.3 ?
12:29:21< cirdan> bug fixes
12:30:20< shres> would they fix the bug that 10.4 binaries dont work on 10.3, if so i cant wait
12:31:10< cirdan> no
12:31:16< cirdan> that's not a bug, it's a fact of life
12:31:28< shres> ah, like i ran out of beer
12:31:36< cirdan> no, cause u can just get more beer :-p
12:32:36< shres> nope, all alcohol shops close at 11pm in india. and its 11:30 now 
12:32:49< shres> s/.//
12:32:56< cirdan> shres: drive really fast west.
12:32:58< cirdan> :-)
12:33:55< shres> heh, Reminds me of the RHCP song "Sun may rise in the east but it sets in a fun location"
12:34:15< cirdan> `heh
12:35:25< shres> i removed all references of statvfs in evolution and e-d-s and defaulted to using statfs and now binaries built on 10.4 work on 10.3 
12:35:52< shres> it was somebody here that suggested that, Thank you very much
12:46:53< akh> dmacks: It'll be released about the time of Fink-1.0
12:47:05< akh> s/F/f/
12:51:28< lisppaste> akh pasted "NetAccess.pm wget fix" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/11863
12:52:43< akh> The above lets fink interact in nonverbose mode with wget < 1.10 as well as wget >= 1.10.  Opinions?
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13:02:26< akh> (where "Opinions" == "is it OK to commit this?")
13:03:41< dmacks> akh: Makes sense. Make sure to update the ChangeLog too.
13:03:53< akh> Yup.
13:04:13< dmacks> (so the new wget just decided to drop the --non-verbose flag? I assume they documented and rationalized this...somehow...)
13:04:33< akh> dmacks:  They changed "--non-verbose" to "--no-verbose"
13:04:46< dmacks> I guess the new wget pkg will have to Conflicts:fink<<whatever-has-this-patch
13:04:59< dmacks> Ah...yeah --no- is standard.
13:05:16< Albie> Kind of OffTopic: Xvid driver for QuickTime?
13:05:27< akh> dmacks: I pulled it until such time as the new fink is released, but yeah.
13:05:30< Albie> (and I'm not sure I need xvid or something else)
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13:08:13< Albie> ok, it seems not to be quicktime
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14:06:32< akh> zizban: How was class?
14:06:44< zizban> Access I is always a joy 
14:06:50< akh> heh
14:07:04< akh> Excess
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14:19:30 * akh hopes I didn't break HEAD too badly with my commit.  :-)
14:20:06< cirdan> heh
14:20:07< cirdan> i doubt it
14:20:14< cirdan> just use verbose setting and no worries
14:20:49< akh> Right.  I checked vs. old and new wget in any case--no problems.
14:21:26< akh> (verbosity 0)
14:21:47< akh> Not much of a check if the flag never gets turned on.  :-)
14:21:54< cirdan> heh
14:21:56< cirdan> ;-0)
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14:39:30 * akh thinks we need a pastebot with more "attitude"
14:39:49< akh> e.g. editorial comments about the pastes.
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14:51:33< acc_> Hi, #Fink.  If I've found a package on the Fink Web site having a version in the "dist Binary Distribution," but it's not showing up with "fink list," how can I get it?  Thanks.
14:52:02< akh> What's the package?
14:52:06< acc_> multi-gnome-terminal
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14:53:12< akh> acc_: That's for 10.2 only.
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14:54:13< acc_> ah, okay so the fact that "0.8.0" is under the "dist" column has nothing to do with where it's available?
14:54:47< acc_> I'd like to use konsole, but I can't seem to disable transparency in Qt/GTK+ apps on OSX.
14:54:59< acc_> so the fonts are unreadable
14:55:14< akh> If you're looking at http://fink.sourceforge.net/pdb/package.php/multi-gnome-terminal, you can see that it's in the 0.6.4 row.
14:55:31< acc_> I am.  I guess I'm just not reading the table correctly.  Thanks.
14:55:46< RangerRick> acc_: you sure the font issue isn't something else?  what do the fonts look like?
14:55:49< RangerRick> squares?
14:56:18< acc_> RangerRick: the fonts are definitely transparent
14:56:31< acc_> they're very difficult to read because of that
14:57:02< acc_> I'm seeing it in konsole and ethereal (which I've got built with DarwinPorts)
14:57:30< acc_> I think my problem is that I'm just a KDE/GNOME newbie ;-)
14:58:39< acc_> I'm using OroborOSX as WM, that may have something to do with it too
14:59:29< akh> Yeah.  OroborOSX does some funky things to GNOME and KDE, IIRC.
15:01:30 * acc_ tries running KDE again after upgrading
15:01:52< acc_> Does KDE normally take a long time to start on OSX?
15:02:51< acc_> Ah, it's up. ;-)
15:03:57< acc_> Very cool.  I've missed KDE.
15:04:05< acc_> font issue seems to have gone away. :-)
15:04:30< akh> What OSX and KDE versions?  3.4.2 on 10.4.2 is not too bad.
15:08:30< acc_> 3.4.2 on 10.3.9
15:08:42< acc_> I've yet to find some free time to install Tiger, unfortunately.
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15:09:30< akh> Ah
15:09:56< acc_> hmm...  how can I access Finder with KDE running rootless?
15:10:14< acc_> ah, nevermind ;-)
15:11:15< dmacks> acc_: multi-gnome-terminal is marked "not present" in dist 0.8.0
15:11:42< akh> dmacks: You should make it available.  :-)
15:11:51< dmacks> Yes, yes you should.
15:12:10< akh> Heh--I've engendered enough breakage for the week.
15:12:45< dmacks> Given that nobody has mentioned m-g-t since Way Back When, maybe acc_ would be interested in picking it up?
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15:13:51< akh> Ugh--no wonder my laptop's slow.  Looks like fsck had a field day.
15:14:39 * dmacks was having major display lag, turned out I had left gnopernicus (which does real-time text-to-speech on one's display) running:)
15:14:58< akh> hehe
15:15:32< dmacks> Before you ask the obvious question, I didn't have the back-end speech output daemon running.
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15:16:08< akh> right--I figured it was either something like that or the speakers were off.
15:16:23< dmacks> Nobody ever ported any speech daemons to fink.
15:19:32< akh> ah
15:21:40< akh> Hence the festival question.
15:21:44< dmacks> Righto
15:25:17 * RangerRick ported freetts  :)
15:25:23< RangerRick> the kde speech stuff uses it
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15:28:22< zorton> how does fink handle daemon startup and stopping? distccd is my currnet example.  I've been starting it manualy but that may not be the bet way.
15:29:11< akh> Generally they're manipulated via daemonic (which needs much much better documentation)
15:29:37< zorton> does daemonic handle adding to the startup scripts and such?
15:30:18< zorton> I noticed /etc/daemons/distcc.xml which seems to be a good start, I just can't find the command to generate that into a startup script
15:30:40< dmacks> 'daemonic' process %p/etc/daemons/*.xml into StartupItems scripts.
15:31:24< zorton> kay
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15:32:04< dmacks> RangerRick: Well thanks for telling me now instead of looking over my shoulder t'other night when I was scratching my head!
15:32:22< akh> Talk about wacko-elitism.  ;-)
15:32:30 * dmacks going to do all fink development using xkibitz from now on.
15:32:52< RangerRick> didn't notice  :)
15:33:01< RangerRick> I started trying to package festival but their build system is a clusterf**k
15:33:15< zorton> festival is nice though
15:33:19< zorton> don't quit now :)
15:33:29< RangerRick> no, I quit long ago
15:33:33< zorton> I got it fired up about 6 months ago and was thinking about the same thing
15:33:33< dmacks> heh
15:33:38< RangerRick> their build system is so sucky that it's not worth the effort to put into it
15:34:20< zorton> yeah it's tough
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15:35:18< akh> crud--my laptop's HD is borked again.
15:38:35 * akh checks if it's fixable, as I don't have time to send the box into the shop.
15:39:29< akh> urg--I just got the damn thing back, too.
15:40:25< akh> I guess I can use my 10.4.3 clone setup--it was copied from this box.
15:41:40< newmanbe> Did you just send your laptop in?
15:41:52< akh> Why, yes.  Yes I did.
15:42:26< akh> I don't think it's a hardware problem--it's a disk corruption issue.
15:42:47 * newmanbe recalls one of his story's of an Apple-authorized whatever they call them now and laughs at the lack of customer support training.
15:47:28< akh> Ugh--I'm going to lose a little bit of data on this.  I hate that.
15:47:43< dmacks> Better or worse than Apple Store "4 employees==>5conflicting answers" policy?
15:48:03< akh> 5 ?  That's bad. :-)
15:48:43< dmacks> Well actually last time I went it was 3 from 2, then I asked a 3rd person who finally backed up one of the others.
15:48:55< newmanbe> lol
15:49:05< newmanbe> No, the Apple Store here has too few employees now.
15:49:23< dmacks> ("the other" being the person who had given me one answer, not two different ones)
15:49:28 * newmanbe takes SourceForge.net down for twenty two days to see how people like it.
15:49:46< dmacks> They oughta remove the "genius bar" and start letting 'em back in.
15:50:20< newmanbe> Like a truck? I don't quite get it.
15:52:37< dmacks> ("bar"=="prohibition"...joke...ha!)
15:53:13< newmanbe> Oh, hehe.
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15:59:55 * akh curses up a blue streak
16:00:50< akh> @#!$$%%&&*
16:01:45< akh> I guess it could have been worse.
16:01:51< newmanbe>  /ban akh*
16:02:26< akh> What?  Ban me for cartoon curse words?
16:04:17< akh> LIGHTNING BOLT!
16:04:38< akh> !alicekill filesytem corruption
16:04:38< Melian> I want to kill filesytem corruption, I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill filesytem corruption. Kill. I wanna see filesytem corruption's blood and gore and guts and have filesytem corruption's veins in my teeth.  Eat filesytem corruption's dead burnt body.  I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL! and I jump around with akh, yelling "KILL, KILL"
16:04:50< brendan> SKULL-AND-CROSSBONES!
16:05:02< akh> haha--forgot that one.
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16:06:48< akh> With any luck I can initialize it--I'll copy my backup over and then try to remember what new apps/Dashboard widgets I've installed.
16:07:17 * akh seriously considers a self-powered FW drive now.
16:08:21< newmanbe> Heh, you're all talk about that. ;)
16:09:23< akh> All talk and no $.  My computers aren't mine, so I don't want to go out of pocket on it--and right now my project is tight on money, so I don't think they'll pay for it.
16:09:30< akh> (project == work)
16:09:44< akh> (not FInk, which is also tight on ¢ )
16:10:30 * akh runs for the train.
16:10:34< newmanbe> lol
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16:15:46< dmacks> RangerRick: Any way to have libtheora0 not run quartz-graphics stuff while compiling?
16:16:03< RangerRick> dmacks: no idea, it does?  :)
16:17:15< Feanor> yuck, theora
16:17:26< RangerRick> could you e-mail me?  there is no way I have time to look at it today
16:17:33< RangerRick> it's "let's pile a million fires on ben at once" day
16:17:34< dmacks> Okay
16:17:57< dmacks> Gotcha:) Not urgent...I have a headed system:)
16:18:14< newmanbe> RangerRick: You need a fire surpression system?
16:18:23< newmanbe> s/\?/\./
16:18:39< RangerRick> I need a stupid people suppression system
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16:19:46< dmacks> Do you need particular people suppressed? Or more of a shotgun approach? In the latter, I recommend a shotgun approach.
16:24:09< RangerRick> I need automatic suppression of people who annoy me  :)
16:24:16< RangerRick> so I don't need to make the call on particulars or groups
16:34:01< acc_> dmacks: We shall see about multi-gnome-terminal.  If konsole does what I need, I may just go with that. ;-)
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16:35:20< zecke_> hi
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16:38:40< dmacks> hello
16:40:58< dmacks> Something we can help you with, zecke_ ?
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16:43:03< brownjava> I have a question about fink GNOME
16:43:20< newmanbe> We maybe have answers.
16:43:29< brownjava> I've obtained gnome-themes-panther and am using gnome-terminal under X11...I'd like to use that theme for gnome-terminal
16:43:45< brownjava> however, I can't get gnome-control-center because it's in unstable
16:43:49< brownjava> anyone know how to choose a theme manually?
16:45:31< dmacks> control-center-2.6.1-10 has been in stable for many months.
16:45:49< dmacks> (...and in the binary distro)
16:45:53< brownjava> eek...then I guess maybe I just didn't know the package name...I did "fink list gnome" looking for it
16:46:34 * dmacks ponders how you "knew" it was in unstable then.
16:46:57 * brownjava wishes he had checked unstable instead of assuming, and looking like a fool
16:47:21< dmacks> no problem:)
16:47:32< brownjava> hehe...thanks
16:47:40< dmacks> If 'fink list' doesn't find something, a good next-thing-to-try is 'fink apropos'
16:47:47< dmacks> (which also searches the Description field)
16:47:50< brownjava> ok, noted...I've never used fink apropos before
16:48:29< dmacks> apropos is the same thing that the search mode of the web pdb uses (web knows all dists, your local fink only knows what you've configured for it)
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17:00:50< cirdan> yo
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19:20:03< akh> *sigh*  Nothing like restoring 40 gigs of hard drive to kill an evening.
19:20:13< dmacks> d'oh:(
19:20:35< akh> I took advantage of the opportunity to reformat the old HD as case-sensitive HFS+
19:21:19< zizban> wonder if that will make older apps barf
19:21:48< akh> If it does, I'll re-restore it.
19:22:18< zizban> cool
19:22:24< akh> What sort of "older apps"? I don't do OS9 stuff.
19:22:44< akh> Those would be the ones I'd worry about.
19:23:27< zizban> some apps barf on UFS so I was wondering
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19:23:34< akh> Ah.
19:23:44< akh> Good question.
19:23:45 * akh will find out. :-)
19:23:52< zizban> heh
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19:24:07< akh> I mostly use Unixish stuff these days, anyway.
19:24:12< zizban> case sensitive HFS+ would make porting NetBSD's pkgsrc easier, if anyone was so inclined
19:24:34< dmacks> I ain't stoppin' ya, zizban:)
19:24:39< zizban> heh
19:24:45< dmacks> !seen htodd
19:24:48< Melian> htodd is currently on #fink
19:24:50< akh> Go for it:  you'll have to rewrite the fink engine to detect the filesystem and provide an appropriate virtual.
19:25:22< dmacks> Why'zit need case-insensitive?
19:26:01< zizban> ugh
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19:33:24< akh> Oy.  Most of the xcircuit feedback I've gotten was n00b's who are looking for the fancy App in the Finder.
19:34:09< akh> Unlike cvs and wget, where developers have found substantive problems.
19:34:18< dmacks> heh
19:34:41< akh> I like the first better. ;-)  Then I can be a sarcastic prick.
19:35:49< dmacks> Tell 'em to write a simulator for a ppc chip then display elements for each CRT pixel then have them port XDarwin to this virtual machine...
19:36:00< akh> Heh
19:36:23< zizban> heh
19:38:51< htodd> ?
19:39:32< htodd> what did dmacks need?
19:39:47 * akh bets it's GNOME-related.
19:41:33 * zizban seconds the motion
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19:42:27< dmacks> htodd: fix your gnome-related -pm581. Their .deb fail validation.
19:43:21< dmacks> (they're currently incompatible with potential -pm586 analogs)
20:01:44< dmacks> (...which is something some guy keeps bitching to me in mail that he wants, but once -pm581 is orthogonal, adding other -pmXXX becomes trivial)
20:05:42< zizban> gotta love CNN
20:05:56< dmacks> eh?
20:06:06< zizban> live coverage of a plain with a bent front wheel  making an emergency  landing
20:08:26< dmacks> ...as if they Just Happened To Know it was gonna happen?
20:09:26< dmacks> *gah*, can -users not follow simple requests?
20:09:33< dmacks> I keed I keed. Obviously not.
20:09:43< akh> dmacks, duh!
20:09:48< zizban> heh
20:22:49< zizban> in case anyone is curious, the plane landed safetly
20:24:51< akh> zizban:  Cool
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21:22:02< brownjava> having problems running gnome-control-center in package control-center...immediately seg faults after startup...has anyone seen this behavior before?
21:27:43< brownjava> nm, submitted into bug tracker: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1298280&group_id=17203&atid=117203
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22:18:38-!- Topic for #fink: Have a question? Check the FAQ: http://fink.sf.net/faq || Latest Installers: 0.6.4 (10.2), 0.7.2 (10.3), 0.8.0 (10.4) || Fink 0.24.10: Cameloparadalis
22:18:38-!- Topic set by akh [] [Thu Aug 25 10:00:59 2005]
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22:57:53< Clef> i saw the plane landing
22:57:56< cirdan> cool
22:58:03< cirdan> night
22:58:03< Clef> i drive right by the runway at that exact time ev ery day
22:58:03< cirdan> :-)
22:58:38< Clef> there were police driving all around code 3, not sure why tho. broken landing gear != drop out of sky.
22:59:50< cirdan> heh
22:59:58-!- vasi [n=vasi@modemcable133.147-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #fink
23:04:57< vasi> dmacks, thanks for the DocFiles work
23:05:31< vasi> now, who shall i bug about gettext...?
23:08:30 * cirdan hides
23:08:34< cirdan> bed! haha
23:08:37< cirdan> :-)
23:10:01< vasi> meh
23:15:25< asari> osacompile and osascript do need a display!
23:16:01< asari> can I use !lart? I'm feeling like that..
23:16:26< vasi> i thought osascript does display return values now?
23:16:48< Clef> you can use xcode as a applescript ide
23:16:52< Clef> if yer doing something complex
23:17:19< asari> yeah, but I can't use osacompile through ssh
23:17:21< dmacks> vasi: Glad you like DocFiles. Please bang on it.
23:17:29< dmacks> !seen TheSin
23:17:30< Melian> thesin <~TheSin@iphost-64-56-130-194.edm.wiband.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #fink, 48d 11h 4m 45s ago, saying: 'talk about a good day to com back, might get the TV to keep :D'.
23:18:44< vasi> asari, ah yeah there is that
23:19:20< asari> I need VNC only to execute simple script! hmm..
23:19:34< vasi> once you login, you can do a fast-user-switch and then use osascript
23:19:53< asari> vasi: heh, it's exactly what I'm doing
23:22:04< dmacks> The mere mention of #include "SDL.h" in a source file causes the compiled executable to require a Quartz display.
23:22:42< vasi> does SDL do the redefining main() thing?
23:22:48< dmacks> Ayup.
23:22:50< vasi> i had that problem with my allegro port...
23:22:58< vasi> and was able to work around it
23:23:00< asari> I think there was --disable-sdl-test or something like that 
23:23:12< dmacks> Yeah...just sent that flag to RangerAway.
23:23:36< vasi> sdl belongs to RR?
23:24:05< vasi> i thought it was always fingolfin's baby
23:24:17< dmacks> Naw...the standard "check for SDL" ./configure test runs a program linked with SDL.h, so one passes that flag to that ./configure.
23:24:26< vasi> ah ok
23:24:31< dmacks> RangerAway's libsomethingsomething needed it.
23:27:00< dmacks> Hmm...passing -D_SDL_main_h during the conftest.c compile would probably be more functionally correct.
23:29:55< dmacks> Or hell, compile but don't run the damn thing.
23:30:31< dmacks> Oh wait, I don't care that much to bother trying to fix it further.
23:49:28< vasi> i added DocFiles to the list of things that need to be doc'ed for 0.25
23:49:38< vasi> anything else that's missing from there?
23:49:40< dmacks> Thx
23:51:29< dmacks> jfm wants to spread that same (new) syntax to Files. Any thoughts?
23:53:27< dmacks> (currently we have the same renaming capability that DocFiles had until an hour ago, but also because it was mv instead of install, recursion was also there)
23:57:18< vasi> um, what does DocFiles have that Files doesn't?
23:58:25< dmacks> Hrm, now that I read what I wrote, not sure really:)
23:58:41< dmacks> Ah, conditionals.
23:59:43 * dmacks struggling with his -devel msg.
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