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11:54:07< htodd> can someone tell dmacks I was trying to fix my packages?
11:54:16< htodd> but I keep getting interrupted
11:54:28< newmanbe> No.
11:54:34< newmanbe> Because I wasn't watching you.
11:54:35< htodd> plus, I need a faster mac
11:55:13< htodd> there must be a list of broken packages somewhere so I don't have to keep my irc window up to remember what they are
11:55:35< newmanbe> You can check the bug reports.
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11:57:56< atheken> hey folks.
11:58:16< newmanbe> Hello.
11:59:30< atheken> anybody know why I'd get an error like "node `monohb' is not defined on the documentation map" when attempting to load Mono/Monodevelop?
12:00:08< newmanbe> No idea.
12:02:16< atheken> yeah, nobody on Google does either.
12:03:43< newmanbe> Eew. Google is ucky.
12:07:32< atheken> oh?
12:07:36< atheken> what's better?
12:07:47< newmanbe> Veronica-2.
12:08:30< atheken> link?
12:08:45< newmanbe> gopher://gopher.floodgap.com/1/v2
12:09:15< atheken> Gopher! wow.
12:09:20< atheken> old school
12:09:32< newmanbe> Old school? Nonsense.
12:10:36< atheken> search veronica-2 on google.
12:10:46< atheken> some great results...
12:10:47< atheken> :-p
12:10:53< newmanbe> That would involve using HTTP.
12:10:57< newmanbe> That would be bad.
12:14:07< atheken> bad, huh?
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12:14:18< newmanbe> Very bad.
12:14:33< RangerRick> newmanbe: it's great that you love gopher, but perhaps you should be more constructive when someone's coming in for help  :P
12:14:45< newmanbe> Heh, I told them I didn't know. :)
12:14:50< RangerRick> atheken: I've seen that error as well, it's unrelated to your actual crash issue, AFAIK (it shows when mono works too)
12:14:52< atheken> hey ranger, just the man I was looking for.
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12:15:05< atheken> well, monodevelop does crash.
12:15:24< atheken> what's the lisp paste?
12:15:41< RangerRick> lisppaste: url
12:15:42< lisppaste> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink and enter your paste.
12:16:15< RangerRick> I've gotten a number of reports of monodevelop not building and/or not running since it's inception, and I can never reproduce them myself  :P
12:16:45< atheken> yeah - I am wondering if some env vars that you have set need to be set on end user machines.
12:16:57< RangerRick> I really don't know
12:16:58< RangerRick> could hav
12:17:10< RangerRick> er, could have to do with various versions of gnome stuff too
12:17:10< lisppaste> atheken pasted "MonoDevelop Crashes On Load" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/11786
12:17:23< atheken> MonoDevelop is still running.
12:17:45< RangerRick> this is the real problem:
12:17:45< RangerRick> Loading error, please reinstall :
12:17:45< RangerRick> System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
12:18:26< RangerRick> is there a ~/.MonoDevelop or something similar that you could clear out?
12:18:49< atheken> nope
12:20:07< lisppaste> atheken annotated #11786 with "MonoDoc crashes on Load" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/11786#1
12:20:32< atheken> do you have MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME var set?
12:20:41< RangerRick> ah, missing runtime dep maybe
12:20:48< RangerRick> you don't need to, I set it in the monodevelop script
12:21:27< RangerRick> this smells like a gtkhtml3 bug
12:22:00< RangerRick> what version of gtkhtml3-shlibs do you have installed?
12:22:16< atheken> after running "monodevlop" - and killing it when it basically stops loading,
12:22:47< atheken> I echo $MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME and get NOTHING.
12:22:55< atheken> so, I am curious.
12:23:06< atheken> where is MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME supposed to point to?
12:23:08< RangerRick> right, like I said, it's inside the monodevelop script
12:23:13< RangerRick> less /sw/bin/monodevelop
12:23:14< RangerRick> that's not the issue
12:23:19< atheken> ok
12:23:20< RangerRick> the issue is some weird gtkhtml3 symbol stuff
12:23:26< RangerRick> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=7983300&forum_id=3200
12:23:29< atheken> is there anything I can do?
12:23:34< RangerRick> what version of gtkhtml3 do you have installed?
12:24:22< atheken> 3.2.1-2
12:24:31< RangerRick> dang, that's what I have
12:24:55< RangerRick> hm, I'm missing that symbol too and yet it works for me
12:25:11< RangerRick>          U __
12:25:13< RangerRick> there's something else going on
12:25:31< atheken> agreed.
12:25:45< atheken> U __?
12:25:53< RangerRick> undefined __ symbol
12:26:31< atheken> I did this from a clean install of fink
12:26:43< atheken> I use binaries where possible ( -b)
12:26:53< RangerRick> I really don't know where to go from here, this is beyond my expertise  :)
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12:27:00< RangerRick> I'll try opening a bug with the mono folks
12:27:02< atheken> ok
12:27:09< atheken> do you install all from source?
12:27:54< atheken> maybe I have some odd bug in Binaries in a dep that doesn't exist in the source.
12:28:30< RangerRick> I install from source
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12:28:42< RangerRick> but it's really hard to say what could be doing this, there's so many moving parts in monodevelop
12:28:43< atheken> ok, I will try a fresh install from source.
12:29:06< atheken> if I do that - see you in a day or two.
12:29:07< atheken> :-D
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12:31:25< RangerRick> heh
12:31:36< RangerRick> may or may not do anythign
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12:31:46< RangerRick> our source installs are based on many incremental updates in unstable
12:31:52< RangerRick> who knows what could end up slightly different
12:31:57< atheken> actually, I will install gtkhtml3.8.15 first
12:31:57< RangerRick> but if you've got the time, it's worth a shot  :)
12:32:01< atheken> maybe that will help?
12:32:37< RangerRick> probably not, I think it's trying to load .11 specifically
12:32:40< atheken> well this is the first time in awhile that it installed without failing on an earlier portion from fink.
12:32:47< RangerRick> but could certainly try
12:33:17< atheken> .11?
12:33:30< atheken> I have 3.2.1
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12:34:48< atheken> anyway - i will let you know, if you find anything interesting, email me at "myusernamehere@gmail.com"
12:35:07< atheken> where myusernamehere is my handle.
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12:43:45< RangerRick> hehe, ok
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13:17:17< atheken> how do I clean out compiled unstable debs?
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14:43:42< Gardner> Hello.
14:45:46< newmanbe> Hello.
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14:54:09< sid77> re
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15:55:26< sugoi> is there a package for kdevelop? i thought there was
15:55:38< sugoi> i just installed fink and the list shows many kde apps, but i dont see one specific for kdevelop
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16:05:11< baba> hm?
16:06:32< baba> do you have unstable on?
16:06:51< sugoi> ah ha!
16:07:04< sugoi> thats right, kdevelop is unstable for fink
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16:07:04< sugoi> thanx!!
16:07:06< baba> np
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16:08:41< sugoi> um...how do i allow unstable?
16:08:51< newmanbe> !tell sugoi about unstable
16:09:20< baba> http://fink.sourceforge.net/faq/usage-fink.php#unstable
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16:46:51< baba> generally speaking, what causes undefined symbol?  older version or missing headers?
16:49:04< cirdan> new headers and old lib
16:50:01< baba> i see
16:55:22< brendan> or failing to add libraries that your library depends on, I think. Not sure if the apple linker is smart enough to do that automatically...
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17:03:07< baba> thanks
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17:41:34< sugoi> should i use xfree86 or xorg?
17:41:51< baba> up to you
17:41:55< sugoi> eventually i only plan to run a couple of kde apps
17:42:04< baba> i use Apple X11
17:42:13< zizban> me too
17:42:39< sugoi> i installed x11, but running 'fink update-all' (new fink install here) it asks which i want
17:42:43 * baba dances qt4
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18:56:40 * akh rebuilds a bunch of packages that have 10.3 holdover debs
19:01:34< zizban> fun!
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19:10:11< akh> hey, vasi--I think my problem last night was my local box.
19:10:24< vasi> hmm...well ok
19:10:31< vasi> have you figured it all out?
19:10:47< zizban> I have to go CompUSA and get a new keyborad
19:11:18< akh> vasi:  Not as such--the symptom was that fink stopped seeing the unstable tree or stuff from my build box.
19:11:29< akh> It seems fine after a clean install
19:11:34< vasi> hmm, weird
19:11:41< akh> zizban: That sucks.
19:12:26< vasi> zizban, 7-up or coke?
19:14:18< zizban> milk
19:14:45< vasi> oooh that sucks
19:15:07< zizban> yup
19:15:13< akh> Yeah--it's like glue when it dries.
19:15:37< zizban> sure is
19:16:08< akh> heh:  "gravekeeper Billy"
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19:17:28< zizban> ah yes The Simpsons
19:17:32< akh> Yup
19:20:01< lane> Hi all. I was wondering if there's any way to stop XDarwin from catching Ctl-Q
19:20:30< akh> xmodmap
19:20:42< akh> (dunno, though)
19:21:15< vasi> lane, control? or command/
19:21:15< vasi> ?
19:21:23< zizban> ?
19:21:23< lane> command
19:22:13< vasi> lane, i think it uses a .nib file...which you can edit to remove the %Q
19:22:18< zizban> so any app you use in XDarwin quits when you command-q?
19:22:52< vasi> zizban, all of XDarwin (or X11, for that matter) quits
19:23:41< zizban> that's normal so edit .nib file
19:24:51< lane> so can I just use Interface Builder to edit the nib file?
19:25:51< lane> I see an objects.nib and a classes.nib in Xdarwin.app/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/MainMenu.nib/
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19:27:30< beniamino> lane: you can use xmodmap to remap option->meta instead of cmd.  then emacs M-x is opt-x etc
19:28:16 * beniamino is irrelevant
19:28:33< lane> beniamino: thanks. my main problem though is that I want to be able to use cmd-q to quit KDE apps
19:28:48< lane> and not have Xdarwin try to quit when I do that
19:29:10< beniamino> yeah, i just didn't read very carefully :-)
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19:33:08< beniamino> vasi: i remembered the other cool thing about dports trace mode :-(
19:33:28< vasi> beniamino: what's that?
19:33:32< beniamino> it tells you everything you installed outside $destroot (==DESTDIR)
19:33:50< vasi> beniamino, just use --build-as-nobody when testing
19:33:52< vasi> :-)
19:34:04< vasi> then if you install something outside %d, it'll fail
19:34:04< beniamino> oooohhhhh
19:34:28< vasi> or do like i do, and manually emulate what fink does when building your pkg
19:34:47< vasi> ie have a fink-init function in my .profile that sets up the default fink env variables
19:35:03< zizban> You mean "Mirror nto found. Retry [Y/n]?
19:35:03< vasi> and then i just extract, set up other env variables, configure, make, make install
19:35:19< vasi> zizban: huh?
19:35:52< zizban> nm
19:35:53< vasi> that way if a build fails because of one .c file, i can just fix that one and continue, rather than start from scratch
19:35:55< beniamino> two good solutions in two sentences
19:36:20< vasi> eventually --build-as-nobody wil be the default
19:36:22< lane> ok - editing the nib file worked
19:36:26< vasi> but that will probably be around 0.26
19:36:49 * vasi and dmacks wouldn't mind making it the default now, but there are some .info files that it breaks
19:37:03< vasi> speaking of which...
19:37:05< vasi> !seen dmacks
19:37:05< Melian> i haven't seen 'dmacks', vasi
19:37:11< vasi> bad bot!
19:37:13< lane> I copied MainMenu.nib to the desktop, opened it in Interface Builder, changed the key combo to Cmd-Shift-Q, copied the changed file back, and voila!
19:37:28< vasi> glad it worked
19:38:09< beniamino> vasi: where's your fink-init script?
19:38:31< vasi> beniamino, it's not really a script, just a bash function....you can pretty much write it yourself...
19:38:33< vasi> !compile myself
19:38:43< vasi> bah, dumb bot lost his brain
19:38:51< vasi> i'll paste it for ya
19:39:29 * beniamino can't see it in cvs
19:40:00< lisppaste> vasi pasted "fink-init" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/11798
19:40:14 * beniamino laughs
19:40:19< beniamino> i see what you mean
19:40:25< vasi> really not so complicated :-)
19:41:29< beniamino> nope
19:45:36 * beniamino thinks of a new wiki page... '100 hints that will make packaging easier but you don't know the name of the hint in advance so you can't ask for it directly'
19:45:53< beniamino> maybe the title needs some work
19:46:04< zizban> a little wordy, yes
19:50:28< vasi> how about 'Packaging Tips'?
19:50:54< zizban> that's good
19:50:55< beniamino> that has a certain elegance, yes
19:51:29< beniamino> akh: would you mind testing some unison-aqua fixes at some point?
19:52:07< beniamino> i _think_ i fixed all the ssh-related problems
19:54:14< akh> beniamino: Sure!
19:55:03< beniamino> cool... .info and .patch are at http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~benwill/fink/
19:55:12< beniamino> thansk
19:55:36< beniamino> as they say in russia
19:55:44< vasi> heh
19:57:36< akh> I thought that was "as Popeye would have said it"
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20:00:18 * akh wonders if "build-as-nobody" will also allow for "install-as-non-root" for 0.26
20:00:34< zizban> isn't that what drm wanted?
20:00:38< akh> yup
20:02:37< akh> beniamino: So far so good.
20:03:34< akh> Looks like it works.
20:03:53< beniamino> akh: are you ssh-ing with pass_word_ or pass_phrase_?
20:04:17< akh> I believe password.
20:04:56< akh> Yeah.
20:05:11< beniamino> the prompt will tell you... ('Please enter your pass$arbitrarysuffix')
20:05:24< beniamino> from tiger -> what?
20:05:53< akh> beniamino: Tiger -> Tiger, and definitely "password"
20:06:42< akh> Same for Tiger -> Linux, too.
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20:06:50< beniamino> excellent... weirdly the upstream people 
20:07:13< beniamino> ... 'fixed' mac->tiger at the expense of breaking mac->everything else
20:07:32< akh> Ugh
20:08:15< beniamino> there was no passphrase support at at all (i.e. where you have an ssh key and you have to type a passphrase to be allowed to use it)
20:08:15< zizban> doesn't everyone use Tiger? :)
20:08:19< beniamino> but it was easy to add
20:08:30< akh> beniamino: Cool
20:08:47< vasi> beniamino, you're actually fluent in ML?
20:09:52< beniamino> er.. _no_
20:09:59< beniamino> it is like a closed book to me
20:10:06< beniamino> with highly acidic pages
20:10:42< beniamino> luckily, it was just a few lines
20:11:39< beniamino> plus some obj-c
20:16:41< brendan> you should be running SSHKeychain instead of getting prompted for passphrases though :)
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20:35:58< lane> man, compiling firefox takes forever
20:39:18< akh> yup
20:44:51< baba> akh: got a question
20:45:18< baba> what does "Same OS" mean in download/upgrade.en.php?
20:48:16< vasi> ML can be fun, but a bitch to learn
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21:06:52< sugoi> what is a "point release" ?
21:07:16< sugoi> --when considering how i want update to work "rsync, cvs, or point releases"
21:08:44< newmanbe> Rsync and cvs would be the most up-to-date.
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21:16:20< vasi> 'point release' means 'entirely new distribution', basically
21:16:40< sugoi> vasi: ok kewl
21:18:06< sugoi> another question, as these packages are building, i see a warning that the version of gcc is not good: "WARNING: You are using a version of gcc which is known to produce incorrect output from C++ code under certain circumstances."
21:18:29< sugoi> should this bother me? should i update gcc with fink? else can i turn off this warning?
21:23:26< asari> I thought "Stick to point releases" means to use dists-10.4-transitional-0.8.0.tar.gz as /sw/fink/dists and not to update daily
21:23:38< baba> hmm what could cause "gdal.h:234: error: expected initializer before "GDALGetDataTypeSize" errors?
21:23:49< baba> ohayo asari-san
21:23:53< asari> oha-
21:25:05< baba> have to learn C++
21:25:41< asari> sugoi: I guess you have to update Apple's GCC, probably available at developer.apple.com
21:27:04< asari> can you exec 'fink list broken-gcc'
21:29:13< asari> and see "2004-11-20: Solution to gcc problems." at http://fink.sourceforge.net/news/ 
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21:38:30< sugoi> asari: thank you much
21:38:56< sugoi> asari: though the devtools installed are (i thought) the latest available on adc
21:40:16< asari> what does "/usr/bin/gcc -v" say?
21:42:24< sugoi> gcc version 3.3 20030304 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 1666)
21:42:43< asari> it's broken one, i think
21:42:49< sugoi> yeah, looks old to me
21:45:59< asari> yeah, 1666 is "bad build"..
21:47:27< sugoi> downloading the gcc updater now
21:47:31< sugoi> from connect.apple.com
21:47:38< sugoi> got the link for the sourceforge link you gave
21:47:41< sugoi> thanx =)
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22:23:32< sugoi>  thanx everyone again very much for your help =)
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