--- Log opened Thu Sep 15 00:00:32 2005
00:00:37< pogma> try to find a simple(ish) explanation of shlibs and put it on the wiki
00:00:50< pogma> it confuses *everybody*
00:00:51< vasi> yeah well simple-ish is the hard part
00:01:01< pogma> yeah
00:01:04< dmacks> Then we'll hack on it, make it confusing and overblown, then we'll xmlify it:)
00:01:52< dmacks> Even adjusting Packaging Manual to not use numbers that are coincidentally the same (but needn't be) in the example would be good.
00:01:56< vasi> it seems that a minor thing that confused ben is the way 'parent deb fields' are merged with 'building fields'
00:02:51< vasi> it makes him think "there's something special about a parent-package"...when really it's just another deb, at least if you're not writing PkgVersion.pm
00:03:04< vasi> and i know he's not the only one to get confused by this!
00:03:08< dmacks> yup
00:03:46< vasi> makes me wonder if we can have a no-parent package....where all the packaging stuff goes in SplitOffs
00:04:11< vasi> prolly would just make things more confoozled though
00:04:36< dmacks> Yeah. Since the parent still needs to exist in the db as a container.
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00:20:24< pogma> cswinehart is not active, right?
00:20:32< vasi> no idea :-/
00:20:58< vasi> dmacks, have we thought more about Module::Build?
00:21:22< dmacks> pogma: I belive that is true.
00:21:36< dmacks> vasi: I'm leaning towards new Type for it.
00:21:53< vasi> i'm very comfortable with that
00:22:00< dmacks> (/me thinking "more magic==bad")
00:22:06< vasi> yah, agree
00:22:40< vasi> you were still skeptical about the Type idea though, i don't remember quite why?
00:22:53< vasi> oh yeah, the perl-versioning issue
00:23:01< pogma> /msg dmacks CAN-2005-2491
00:23:05< pogma> bugger
00:23:07< pogma> :)
00:23:11< vasi> woops!
00:24:06< dmacks> heh
00:24:44< vasi> i *suspect* that if 1) we auto-add BuildDepends: module-build-pm%type_pkg[perlModuleBuild] and 2) run all commands with perl%type_pkg[...] instead of just 'perl', then we'll be ok
00:25:12< dmacks> Given how old our pcre is, that's prolly not the only problem with it:)
00:25:18< vasi> for non-versioned packages, i think just picking 'the default perl on this system' as the version, it should be ok
00:26:00< vasi> any quibbles? or shall i go update the tracker, and send the valiant submitter on another rewriting quest for acceptance?
00:26:46< dmacks> So Type:newperlthing (undersioned) will always use /usr/bin/perl?
00:26:54< dmacks> *unverisoned
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00:31:15< dmacks> Sounds good. Get drm to nod and get it into HEAD:)
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00:38:09< vasi> is there any way on the SF tracker to add someone as an observer?
00:38:46< vasi> ie: if i'm working on a tracker item that's extremely relevant to you, can i tell the tracker that you should get notifications?
00:38:55< vasi> cuz bugzill can do that, and it's quite useful!
00:39:23< asparagui> is there any way to get 10.4 tree stable/unstable rss feeds?
00:39:55< vasi> ooh i think there is...
00:40:05< vasi> personally i just subscribe to commits :-)
00:42:34< vasi> oh damn, you're right...there's no 10.4 yet
00:43:33< vasi> go bug one of our PDB guys
00:44:41< dmacks> vasi: Nope...only SF users can add themselves as observers to trackers.
00:44:45< dmacks> suckitude++
00:46:14< dmacks> Well sort-of: if the person is listed in the assigned-to list, you can assign to him, then unassign, and he will be CC'ed forever after. This is *unlike* the actual monitor mechanism, which allows one to stop monitoring.
00:47:07< dmacks> asparagui: There's an rss feed of -commits I think, so just filter it:)
01:01:46< vasi> i'm out, toodles!
01:01:59< dmacks> ta
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02:05:50< asparagui> dmacks: thanks, good idea.
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03:17:08< Henk_Poley> 6 flabbergasted people and counting: Does somebody know how to fix this bug? https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1289668&group_id=17203&atid=117203
03:17:59< Henk_Poley> Actual occurrence of the bug can be seen at http://bugs.waterscouting.com/timeline
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03:46:44< Henk_Poley> Everybody is asleep?
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06:37:52< gregj> hi folks
06:38:18< newmanbe> Hello.
06:38:23< gregj> I want to install kde on fink, according to yer webpage I should install bundle-kde-ssl, but there is no such package here
06:38:53< newmanbe> Do you have Mac OS X 10.4?
06:38:58< gregj> yep
06:39:11< newmanbe> Did you enable unstable?
06:39:13< gregj> Darwin gjs 8.2.0 Darwin Kernel Version 8.2.0: Fri Jun 24 17:46:54 PDT 2005; root:xnu-792.2.4.obj~3/RELEASE_PPC Power Macintosh powerpc
06:39:22< gregj> should I enable unstable, lemme see
06:39:37< gregj> where is sources.list, or whatever it's name for apt
06:39:49 * gregj tries fincommander
06:39:54< newmanbe> /sw/fink/source.list probably.
06:40:37< newmanbe> Or /sw/etc/apt/sources.list rather.
06:41:22< gregj> ok, I got it through fnkcommander
06:46:25< gregj> what are the packages with -nox ?
06:47:07< msachs> gregj: Those are packages built without X11 support, so typically they won't have optional graphical components.
06:47:39< gregj> i see
06:47:48< gregj> that was my thought, but wanted to be sure
06:47:55< msachs> Yep.
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07:08:56< cirdan> gregj: you can't download kde debs, you must build them yourself
07:09:30< cirdan> just make sure your trees line in /sw/etc/fink/conf has unstable, so a selfupdate, then bundle-kde
07:09:41< gregj> yep, I can see that
07:09:51< gregj> I am kde devel, so I think I can handle kde compilation ;)
07:10:09< cirdan> well, you said "<gregj> where is sources.list, or whatever it's name for apt
07:10:15< cirdan> so i was just making sure :-p
07:10:33< gregj> I am (trying to) use(ing) fink commander
07:10:51< gregj> bleh, why is the kde compiled with automake, not unsermake ?
07:10:52< cirdan> heh
07:10:54< cirdan> have fun
07:11:28 * cirdan scours the net for ammoi prices
07:11:32< cirdan> err, ammo
07:12:12< gregj> wanna shoot someone :>
07:32:28< cirdan> pogma...
07:32:35< cirdan> there?
07:33:29< newmanbe> Calling your victem? :)
07:36:18< cirdan> :-p
07:37:32< cirdan> hmm
07:37:42< cirdan> ok, someone who knows the os x linker...
07:37:59< cirdan> i have a link line that has -L../paranoia -lcdda_paranoia
07:38:17< cirdan> and in ../paranoia exists libcdda_paranioa.a
07:38:40< cirdan> but for some reason, it's trying to grab /sw/lib/libcdda_paranoia.dylib, which has different symbols
07:38:49< cirdan> any thoughts?
07:39:37< pogma> cirdan: 
07:39:48< pogma> use -Wl,-search_paths_first
07:40:06< cirdan> LDFLAGS?
07:40:22< pogma> yes
07:40:29 * cirdan tries
07:41:22< cirdan> i knew it was something like that, but couldn't remember it exactly
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07:49:41< cirdan> pogma: sudo g++-3.3 -v -DDRIVER_TABLE_FILE=\"/sw/share/cdrdao/drivers\" -g -O2  -Wl,-search_paths_first -framework IOKit -framework CoreFoundation -L/sw/lib -o cdrdao  main.o -L. -ldao -L../paranoia -lcdda_paranoia -L../trackdb -ltrackdb -L../scsilib/export -lscg -lschily -L/sw/lib -lmad -lm   -L/sw/lib -lvorbisfile -lvorbis -lm -logg   -L/sw/lib -lao
07:50:04< cirdan> turns into this:
07:50:05< cirdan>  ld -arch ppc -dynamic -o cdrdao -lcrt1.o -lcrt2.o -L/sw/lib -L. -L../paranoia -L../trackdb -L../scsilib/export -L/sw/lib -L/sw/lib -L/sw/lib -L/usr/lib/gcc/darwin/3.3 -L/usr/lib/gcc/darwin -L/usr/libexec/gcc/darwin/ppc/3.3/../../.. -search_paths_first -framework IOKit -framework CoreFoundation main.o -ldao -lcdda_paranoia -ltrackdb -lscg -lschily -lmad -lvorbisfile -lvorbis -lm -logg -lao -lstdc++ -lm -lgcc -lSystem |
07:50:49< pogma> Um, -L/sw/lib is before -L../paranoia
07:51:16< cirdan> ?
07:52:20< cirdan> so do i need to do the noSetCXXFLAGS?
07:52:28< cirdan> or whichever it is
07:52:36< pogma> You want NoSetLDFLAGS: true and SetLDFlags: -Wl,-search_paths_first, maybe with SetLIBRARY_PATH=%p/lib
07:52:58< pogma> but I'm not sure fink does the last one :)
07:53:13< cirdan> ok
07:53:15< cirdan> :-)
07:53:30< cirdan> i think we just use CXXFLAGS for that
07:53:35< cirdan> or SetLIBS
07:53:41< cirdan> SetLIBS it hink
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07:54:25< cirdan> hey chris01 
07:54:31< pogma> LIBRARY_PATH is there in PkgVersion.pm
07:54:58< cirdan> ok
08:04:57< cirdan> yay
08:11:35< chris01> hey cirdan
08:11:42< chris01> what's up?
08:13:03< cirdan> not much
08:13:08< cirdan> fixing cdrdao
08:13:15< cirdan> new version, must less braindead :-)
08:13:19< cirdan> much
08:14:07< chris01> ok
08:14:19< chris01> so we got a new fink in stable -> good
08:14:23< cirdan> cool
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09:23:15< dmacks> RangerRick: imagemagick Works For Me(tm) on 10.3
09:23:51< dmacks> (I've only used it lightly, but consistently, for $longtime)
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09:32:29< RangerRick> dmacks: me too, not sure why jeff didn't move it in 10.3 too
09:36:53< pogma> have you asked him?
09:37:46< pogma> sometimes it takes him ages to respond to mails though (sometimes he responds instantly too)
09:38:58< cirdan> hey RangerRick 
09:39:08< cirdan> dmacks.
09:39:13< dmacks> what what
09:39:37< cirdan> new cdrdao...yay!
09:41:00< dmacks> Great! (whatever it is:)
09:42:02< cirdan> :-p
09:42:23< cirdan> anyone on 10.3?
09:43:04< cirdan> this not being able to run os x in a vm sucks :-/
09:43:12 * cirdan wants  os x on x
09:43:20< cirdan> (os)
09:43:25 * dmacks on 10.3
09:43:37< cirdan> can you test cdrdao?
09:43:41< cirdan> just committed to unstable
09:44:15< cirdan> cdrdao drive-info is prolly enough to see it's working :-)
09:44:37 * dmacks selfupdates...
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09:44:52< cirdan> cdrtools too, if u want
09:44:52< cirdan> :-)
09:47:28< chris01> i get a very strange error trying to selfupdate with the latest fink-cvs right at installing the build lock for libgettext3-shlibs:
09:47:53< chris01> It just stays there, uses 1 cpu 100% and freezes the computer after a while
09:47:59< chris01> has anybody seen this before?
09:48:25< dmacks> Not I.
09:49:38< chris01> it is completely reproducible
09:49:46< chris01> Anything I could do to debug that?
09:50:04< cirdan> perl -d
09:50:07< cirdan> and have fun :-)
09:50:16< cirdan> perl -d/
09:50:24< chris01> :-S
09:50:25< dmacks> Is it happening during dpkg or fink itself?
09:50:29< cirdan> what proecss uses the cup?
09:50:33< cirdan> top -u
09:50:49< chris01> mhm... I can't remember... the problem is, that it then freezes, so I can't copy.
09:50:54< chris01> I have to write it down.
09:51:14< chris01> cirdan: yes, I will need to do that before I start the build
09:51:16< cirdan> run top wile fink works
09:51:21< chris01> exactly
09:51:22< cirdan> :-)
09:51:28< cirdan> wroks
09:51:46< chris01> can't do it right now, since i can't afford to reboot right now.
09:52:04< chris01> (btw: force quiting doesn't work anymore, nor ssh-ing, nothing)
09:52:20< chris01> but the cpu meter (MenuMeters) still continues to show the cpu load. -> strange
09:52:49< chris01> It looks like the is a problem as soon as a task tries to access the disk or something, then this process freezes
09:53:00< chris01> could this be happening?
09:53:07< dmacks> 'fink whatever-you-want |& tee -i out' (or some bash equiv:)
09:53:21< cirdan> chris01: try ruhnning fsck...
09:53:38< dmacks> Do other dpkg -i operations work?
09:53:44< chris01> cirdan: yup, should do, but did it about 2 weeks ago.
09:53:51< chris01> dmacks: let me check
09:54:34< chris01> dmacks: yes, "fink reinstall fink" worked fine
09:54:49< chris01> doing '/sw/bin/dpkg-lockwait -i'
09:54:51< cirdan> maybe the status file is b0rked
09:55:00< cirdan> and dpkg chokes on that entry
09:55:18< chris01> that might be possible. but why would it freeze all other sw?
09:55:22< chris01> mhm...
09:55:23< dmacks> cirdan: cdrdao-1.1.7 does "checking for GTK-- - version >= 1.2.9"; do you need a dep for it?
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09:55:36< cirdan> dmacks: no, cdrdao 1.2.0
09:55:49< dmacks> Who knows what kinda crap is in your status file...
09:55:57< chris01> he :)
09:56:09< chris01> is there a way to check the status file?
09:56:14< cirdan> dmacks: also, make it -rev 1
09:57:10< dmacks> It ain't in unstable dude.
09:57:36< cirdan> /cvsroot/fink/dists/10.4-transitional/unstable/main/finkinfo/utils/cdrdao.info,v  <--  cdrdao.info
09:57:39< cirdan> new revision: 1.2; previous revision: 1.1
09:58:09< dmacks> You asked about 10.3
09:58:12< cirdan> yes
09:58:19< cirdan> sorry, i meant could you copy and test it
09:58:24< dmacks> Ahhhh.
09:58:29< cirdan> i didnt wanna dd it to 10.3 w/o testing
10:02:08< dmacks> --disable-dependency-tracking isn't having an effect:(
10:02:18< cirdan> eh well
10:02:21< cirdan> worth a shot
10:03:08< dmacks> It's a small enough compile not to matter much. Oh wait.../me was looking at libao2 not cdrdao
10:03:30< cirdan> heh
10:05:21< dmacks> Missing BDep:pkgconfig
10:05:37< cirdan> ok...
10:06:09< cirdan> added
10:06:56< dmacks> Do you need versioning on the ao/mad/vorbis deps?
10:07:20< cirdan> don't believe so
10:07:26< dmacks> 'k
10:08:27< htodd> hey, anyone bought a cordless drill lately, and have any suggestions for me?
10:08:41< cirdan> get the highest voltage you can afford
10:09:01< htodd> hmm
10:09:13< htodd> I wonder if I can hold up some of the larger ones. :)
10:09:25< cirdan> hehe
10:12:22< lisppaste> dmacks pasted "cdrdao-1.2.0-10 on 10.3" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/11699
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10:12:57< cirdan> hmm
10:13:17< cirdan> where does it get that from...
10:13:26< chris01> mhm... this is bizarre. The problem with the buildlock now seems to be working again. And I have no idea why
10:13:29< cirdan> dlcompat maybe needed
10:14:18< cirdan> good voodoo
10:14:52< chris01> sure
10:15:18< chris01> btw: is there anything holding off the move of the latest gettext3 to stable?
10:15:35< dmacks> Nothing really I don't think
10:15:56< chris01> because i would like to move apr, svn and apache2 to stable
10:16:03< pogma> drm having time to spare, is the issue, I think
10:16:10< chris01> ok
10:16:25< cirdan> dmacks: do you recall what to add for dlcompat in 10.3?
10:16:34< pogma> I wish I hade never added dlsym*underscore functions to dlcompat
10:16:47< cirdan> i think it's SetLIBS: -lsomething
10:16:51< cirdan> pogma: yeah...
10:16:55< dmacks> _dlsym_auto_underscore is present and undefined in libao.dylib
10:16:57< cirdan> was great at first
10:17:11< pogma> update libao ?
10:18:11< pogma> cirdan: Apple offered to keep the functionality when dlcompat was added in panther ... I asked them not to :)
10:18:47< dmacks> heh
10:19:45< cirdan> libao is fine in 10.4
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10:20:11< pogma> would be fine with a rebuild and no dlcompat dep in 10.3 too, I bet
10:20:11 * dmacks sees something...
10:20:41< pogma> it's a miracle!
10:20:47< cirdan> hehe
10:20:54< pogma> somone healed dmacks!
10:21:08< cirdan> pogma: no, he still has *that* problem...
10:21:28< dmacks> :p
10:21:48< cirdan> :-D
10:22:18 * cirdan will bbl...
10:22:21< cirdan> thanks dmacks 
10:22:45< dmacks> Okay, removed that symbol from libao
10:22:54< cirdan> removed how?
10:22:59< pogma> with magic?
10:23:08< dmacks>  chmod 644 /sw/fink/dists/unstable/main/finkinfo/sound/libao2.patch
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10:23:18< cirdan> heh
10:23:28< cirdan> magic!
10:23:47< pogma> indeed
10:23:52< cirdan> umm
10:23:54< pogma> akh!
10:24:02< cirdan> how do i get filesystem info on a mounted partition?
10:24:15< akh> pogma: What'd I do?
10:24:22< dmacks> What kind o' info?
10:24:23 * cirdan thought it was mount
10:24:40< cirdan> is it fat or hfs
10:25:39< dmacks> disktool?
10:25:52< pogma> akh: you wrote a large portion of the fink docs, you answered a shitload of mail on fink's mailing lists, you kissed your wife and levitated a dipole, you really should improve your memory!
10:26:37< akh> Ah yeah--the weather must be playing hell with my synapses.
10:26:42< cirdan> hehe
10:28:57 * pogma is in an odd modd, sorry
10:29:01< pogma> mood
10:29:07< akh> pogma: NP.
10:29:12< akh> It's late there.  ;-)
10:31:02< htodd> oh, why am I reading reviews through google?
10:31:13< htodd> I know less about which drill to get than when I started.
10:31:14< akh> htodd: They've brainwashed you.
10:31:30< akh> Get whichever one comes with the most bits.
10:31:41< htodd> heh
10:32:14< dmacks> cirdan: It compiled.
10:32:36< dmacks> cdrdao drive-info works.
10:39:24< akh> dmacks: http://ldx3.psfc.mit.edu/~hansen/gnome-games-2.12.0-4.log --I tried a rebuild but still no "dice"
10:42:03< akh> Literally
10:42:20< dmacks> Do you have passwd installed?
10:42:26< akh> yup
10:42:54< akh> I'll rebuild it
10:43:01 * dmacks wonders why "Warning: The games group does not exist." appears in the log
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10:43:17< akh> Yeah, that seemed suspicious to me, too.
10:44:02 * dmacks rebuilds to check for that...
10:45:04< akh> It definitely exists now, so I'll try another gnome-games rebuild and see if the message shows up again.
10:45:44< dmacks> Lotsa weird -L in your gtali linking stage.
10:45:58< akh> Yeah?  Can I blame Apple?
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10:46:18< runelind> !lisppaste
10:46:19< dmacks> Nah...libtool and/or libconv
10:46:20< Melian> You can use lisppaste to paste errors at http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink , instead of flooding the channel.
10:46:33< akh> ah
10:46:44< akh> blaming libtool is OK, too.
10:46:50< lisppaste> runelind pasted "bittornado errors" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/11700
10:47:28< runelind> do I have the wrong version of python installed?
10:47:36< akh> dmacks:  /usr/bin/ld: warning -L: directory name (/sw/src/fink.build/libiconv-1.10-3/libiconv-1.10/../_inst//sw/lib) does not exist
10:47:39 * dmacks sees that same games group warning too:)
10:47:50< dmacks> akh: That's the one.
10:47:58< pogma> problem with the new libiconv package
10:48:19< akh> pogma;  I think it's a holdover from an older "new" libiconv.
10:48:20< pogma> bet there is an "unclean" .la file
10:48:28< akh> Yeah
10:48:40< dmacks> unclean! unclean!
10:49:08 * akh thinks we should have a "fink validate-all"
10:49:43< dmacks> The latest (rev 6) libiconv.la is clean. Perhaps was an older one present (unclean) that is propagated into other .la built against it?
10:50:00< RangerRick> dmacks: yes
10:50:02< akh> dmacks--I'd totally buy that.
10:50:07< RangerRick> 4 or 5 had the -L issue
10:50:13< dmacks> validator catches packages with dirty .la of their own, but not ones with dirt propagated from others.
10:50:16< akh> So did -2 and -3
10:50:35< RangerRick> ok, I just know it was back a bit, I had told drm about it post-1  :)
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10:50:48< dmacks> (since there's no clear way to determine *which* pkg is/was "actually" broken, nor even how to fix it)
10:51:20 * akh wonders how to track that down (assuming it matters)
10:51:42< RangerRick> find /sw/lib -name \*.la | xargs grep /sw/src/fink.build
10:51:48< runelind> anyone have any thoughts on my bittornado issue?
10:51:56< runelind> or more specifically, my python issue
10:52:07< dmacks> Gotta rebuild in the correct order.
10:52:22< akh> runelind: Tiger?
10:52:26< runelind> akh: yes
10:53:01< akh> I guess in this case it doesn't matter, though.
10:53:27< akh> Hot-swapping -nox for non-nox doesn't work well.
10:53:52< dmacks> At some finite number of rebuilding (all pkgs containing dirty .la), the problem will go away.
10:54:40< akh> runelind:  You could just do "fink remove --recursive python23-nox-shlibs" 
10:55:01< akh> Then reinstall whatver got clobbered after you've put in python.
10:55:13< dmacks> (I think it's O(N^2) or so)
10:55:23 * runelind wonders how much stuff would break
10:55:39< akh> runelind: It wouldn't break, it would be removed.
10:55:56< runelind> akh: ah ok
10:57:05< dmacks> Probably nothing depends on python-nox, so you could remove just that and see how much that clears the problem.
10:57:47< runelind> dmacks: yeah nothing depended on it
10:57:53< runelind> I wonder why I had it in the first place
10:59:01< dmacks> masochistic tendencies?
10:59:21< akh> Nah--that's someone who rebuilds oo.org twice in a week plus half of KDE.
10:59:43< runelind> I've rebuilt KDE a bunch
10:59:52< runelind> cause rr keeps re-releasing it ;p
11:00:02< dmacks> What a wacko
11:00:04< akh> re-releasing -> fixing
11:00:22< RangerRick> there's more coming too  :P
11:00:31< RangerRick> won't be version-ups, just patches to handle some goofiness in the new qt3
11:00:34< runelind> "new and improved"?
11:01:06< akh> %r ups force rebuilds just like %v ups.
11:01:14< RangerRick> won't be %r-ups
11:01:22< akh> ah--good.
11:01:35< dmacks> How 'bout releasing binary patches for the .deb?
11:02:00< RangerRick> dmacks: er?
11:02:04< RangerRick> oh, the qt3 deb?  heh
11:02:14< RangerRick> no dice, that one does need a %r-up  :)
11:02:16< RangerRick> (well, did)
11:03:02< RangerRick> there were 2 issues, one that uic now honors <includehint> in qt .ui files (which is correct), and one that it was mishandling ones with namespaces
11:03:17< RangerRick> the namespace thing is fixed, but there are some kde .ui files that have bad entries in <includehint> so I need to patch those
11:03:32< RangerRick> the resultant binary is the same, it only changes the #include on autogenerated files
11:03:38< dmacks> ah
11:03:55< RangerRick> isn't that fun!
11:04:26< dmacks> So should I start a  qt3-3.3.5-12 build right now, or is there more fixin' on the way?
11:04:35< RangerRick> start qt3, it's done  :)
11:04:37< akh> http://ldx3.psfc.mit.edu/~hansen/libtoolbadness.log  *SIGH*
11:04:57< RangerRick> perl -pi -e  :)
11:05:37< dmacks> heh
11:06:25< dmacks> That's a lot faster than N^2
11:07:13< akh> yah
11:07:26 * dmacks wonders if drm didn't validate the .deb or the validator was busted?
11:07:30< RangerRick> or just ignore it, it's a cosmetic issue
11:07:39< akh> I'll do the latter
11:09:29 * akh wonders if the "missing dice" thing is restricted to people on Tiger.
11:10:15< dmacks> Interesting.
11:19:24 * akh sends out RFI messages to all of Finkdom.
11:19:50< akh> Hopefully my parameter list was restrictive enough.
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11:25:32 * akh sets up an obvious experiment
11:37:15< cirdan> yo
11:37:19< cirdan> yo
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11:39:26< akh> cirdan: yoyo
11:47:14< cirdan> hey, anyone here have one of those people finder accounts?
11:47:18 * cirdan needs a phone number
11:47:22< cirdan> :-)
11:48:59< akh> heh
11:49:23< cirdan> grrr
11:49:25< cirdan> sux0rs
11:49:37< RangerRick> dmalloc?  ;)
11:49:50< cirdan> hehe
11:49:59< cirdan> no
11:50:04< cirdan> crazy old guy
11:50:10< RangerRick> dmalloc?
11:50:10< cirdan> wanna try to buy his house
11:50:13< RangerRick> hehe
11:50:19< RangerRick> well, not so old
11:50:21< cirdan> hehe
11:50:22< RangerRick> but CRAZY!
11:50:29< cirdan> and unlisted :-)
11:51:01< akh> crazy like a fox!
11:51:28< RangerRick> as long as it's not like fox news
11:53:47< akh> Nah--like Family Guy.
11:59:31< das_> heh
11:59:45< das_> don't confuse op-ed shows on FOX News with news shows :-)
11:59:49< das_> common mistake
12:00:03< das_> kind of like how people always mistake the NY Times editorial page for news
12:00:08< das_> oh wait, they don't ;-)
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12:19:23< cirdan> TheSin, Murr.
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12:40:40 * akh tries to build gnome-games on Panther to see if the graphics problems are a Tigerism
12:54:43< dmacks_away> Can we blame 10.4.2's dyld?
12:55:39< RangerRick> what's the error?  I can try building on my 10.4.3 seed box and see if it still happens...
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13:02:18< dmacks> (unrelated: libpaper1-dev needs BDO:true?)
13:02:35< RangerRick> probably
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13:03:28< dmacks> RangerRick: See "Various gnome-games problems" on -beginners
13:06:56< akh> or -users, or -gnome-core
13:07:21< RangerRick> ok, was just wondering if there was an app I should try running, since you made it sound like it was a runtime issue
13:08:22< dmacks> See if gtali has images of dice, see if sol has images of cards (or ace spaces, or somesuch)?
13:08:28< RangerRick> ok
13:08:30< akh> ace spaces
13:08:45 * akh should try my 10.4.3 seed, too.
13:09:10< akh> Unfortunately it's on the same physical disk as my 10.3.9 environment.
13:10:09 * akh also has the gnomine "missing image" error, too.
13:10:40< dmacks> It's weird that some folks only have some of these 3 problems.
13:11:01< akh> dmacks:  They may not have tried all 3 apps.
13:11:29 * akh posts an addendum
13:12:16< RangerRick> ah, can't build it 'till I finish my kdepim3 build, gettext conflict
13:12:45< akh> icky
13:13:05< RangerRick> why do we have reasonably up-to-date gnome packages still using non-libgettext3?  :)
13:13:31< dmacks> One of the upgrade tasks is migrating to libgettext3
13:13:45< akh> RangerRick: talk to the maintainer. ;-)
13:14:05< dmacks> What's the package you have in mind?
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13:24:35< RangerRick> just noticed i can't build gnome-games at the moment, 'cause it uses the old gettext
13:24:48< akh> ugh--this is going to be a PITA.  My Panther setup hasn't been updated much.
13:24:59< dmacks> RangerRick: Must be a dependency.
13:25:01< akh> I'm still building low-level dependencies
13:26:39< dmacks> akh: You want my .deb?
13:27:32< akh> dmacks:  I'd need .debs for a bunch of packages--I'm that far off current.
13:27:47< dmacks> Ah.
13:27:50< akh> I'll just muscle it through.
13:28:10 * dmacks wishes fast-user switching could give different OSes to different users.
13:28:30< akh> I can 10.4.3 when I get home and then build the rest of the 10.3.9 stuff overnight.
13:28:42< RangerRick> dmacks: ah
13:28:57< akh> "can check 10.4.3"
13:29:04< dmacks> "fast-user switching" doesn't mean "use the express bus to go home"
13:29:09< akh> heh
13:29:16< akh> biab
13:29:45< RangerRick> dmacks: it means punishment with a switch, quickly
13:29:56< dmacks> :)
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14:40:11< akh> RangerRick: That should be reserved for whomever broke dyld
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14:50:59< akh> dmacks: The various graphical things on gnome-games work on 10.3
14:51:05< akh> (for me, too, that is)
14:51:17< dmacks> Interesting.....
14:51:54 * akh is going to check 10.4.3
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15:19:50< mcp> 10.4.3?
15:20:00< akh> 10.4.3 seed
15:20:09< mcp> ah k
15:26:50< akh> meh--so many out of date libs--must dist-upgrade.
15:32:24< runelind> where does the Trash reside?
15:32:32< akh> ~/.Trash
15:32:35< msachs> ~/Library/Dumpster
15:32:42< runelind> I have two files in there that can't be emptied because they say they are in use
15:32:47< runelind> and I was thinking I could rm -rf them
15:33:12< mcp> sure
15:33:17< akh> You could just log out, too.
15:33:21< mcp> that'll always work :)
15:33:38< dmacks> (if they're truly in-use, rm'ing them won't actually remove them from disk:)
15:33:48< runelind> I tried logging out
15:34:04< runelind> I don't want to rebooot, cause I have like 8 screen sessions open :)
15:34:06< dmacks> (...just keeps 'em from being re-loaded "next time")
15:34:20< mcp> runelind: you can always rm the shit
15:34:26< akh> runelind: Ah--guess they weren't in use by "you" but by root.
15:34:42< dmacks> Wot're the files?
15:35:06< runelind> there is nothing in .Trash and there is no /Library/Dumpster directory
15:35:11< runelind> an avi and a sub
15:35:13< msachs> Yeah, I made that one up.
15:35:20< dmacks> :)
15:36:12< msachs> Are they actually hurting anything other than the purity of your trash icon in the dock?
15:36:19< runelind> it's the purity 
15:36:29< runelind> and every time I empty the trash I have to click continue
15:36:49< dmacks> Are they locked?
15:36:56< runelind> shouldn't b e
15:37:06< runelind> I'm just in an ssh session, so I can't really tell
15:37:39< dmacks> How are you emptying the trash and seeing the dock icon over ssh?
15:37:45 * dmacks so confoozed
15:37:54< msachs> If it were me I'd say screw it and suffer until I had a chance to reboot.
15:38:04< msachs> Or until whatever was using them decided to stop.
15:38:11< msachs> lsof can probably tell you what's using them, though.
15:38:24< dmacks> Move them from the trash to your home dir (using Finder), then you'll "know where they are" and can rm them.
15:39:37< runelind> I'll look into it when I get home
15:39:43< runelind> any of you play with openwrt?
15:40:41< akh> not i
15:41:09< dmacks> nope
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15:43:18< akh> dmacks:  Looks like somethings screwy with my 10.4.3 setup--gnomine ate 85% CPU but never opened.
15:43:30< dmacks> d'oh
15:43:31< akh> This is from the .debs on my 10.4.2 box.
15:43:55< akh> I'll try a rebuild when I get a chane
15:43:57< akh> chance
15:44:59< akh> Or if somebody would bust out with the official 10.4.3...
15:45:49 * runelind wants 10.4.3
15:46:13 * newmanbe wants source drivers for AirPort Extreme for GNU+Linux.
15:46:22 * akh wants a new car.
15:46:45< akh> And a house thats << 1hour from work.
15:47:00 * dmacks wants an AirPort non-extreme that doesn't cost substantially more, even used, than the Extreme one.
15:47:06< newmanbe> A new car house!
15:47:22< akh> newmanbe: Yeah, I could go for one of those, even.
15:47:58< akh> dmacks: Extreme < Ordinary?  Seems counter-intuitive
15:48:15< newmanbe> Heh, that's Apple for you. ;)
15:48:40< akh> "Think different."
15:48:46< newmanbe> The 80211.b ones are like, antiques.
15:48:52< dmacks> akh: Yeah, but true. Apple Store wants $79 Extreme, and doesn't even carry the old one at all. On-line, I'm seeing ca. $110 for refurbished old.
15:48:55< newmanbe> Of course they're so expensive.
15:49:20< akh> dmacks:  ah--
15:49:41< newmanbe> dmacks: You should just give me the computer and get one that supports AirPort Extreme. ;)
15:49:44< dmacks> ...and I hear OS X drivers for PCI-based ones suck.
15:50:02< dmacks> Yeah, the only catch is that "get one" step:)
15:51:10< dmacks> ...unless you're offering one?
15:51:28< newmanbe> Heh. You can have this eMac. :)
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15:52:17< dmacks> Actually, the eMac here has better just-about-everything than the machine in question.
15:52:55< akh> hehe
15:53:39< newmanbe> Or you can just send me a AirPort not-round Basestation and it's bye bye Mac OS X.
15:53:46< newmanbe> AirPort Express, that's it.
15:54:25< akh> Linux, shminux
15:54:55< dmacks> You on a linux box right now akh?
15:54:56< newmanbe> I'd be using the same applications mostly anyway.
15:55:53 * dmacks wondering what /usr/share/xmodmap is...
15:56:10< akh> dmacks: Nope.
15:56:12< newmanbe> Not on my computer.
15:56:24< akh> Later, though.
15:56:30 * newmanbe guesses taht it's a modification map for X11.
15:56:43< newmanbe> But that's just me. ;)
15:56:43< dmacks> Not urgent or even that important...just a msg that flashed by in the new libxklavier
15:56:52< akh> I'll dlocate it when I get home.
15:57:08< dmacks> thx
15:57:22< akh> yup
15:58:35< akh> time to go
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15:59:34< asari_sleep> hi
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16:03:11< asari> Long ago, I had set up bindist.hnd.jp.asi.finkmirrors.net .. 
16:03:13 * dmacks wonders if copying 10.3's gnome-games.deb to 10.4 solves graphics issue. Or else copying lib-I-can't-remember-which 10.4->10.3 causes it.
16:03:20< asari> almost forgot that 
16:05:08< asari> it's also available as http://fink.sodan.ecc.u-tokyo.ac.jp/bindist/ .
16:05:13< dmacks> Cool!
16:05:33< dmacks> Which OS X, and which x11?
16:05:57< asari> Just mirrors from the master.
16:06:07< dmacks> Ah okay.
16:06:15< asari> someone here had kindly told me
16:06:26< asari> told me how to.
16:08:31< asari> If everything is OK, I want DNS properly set.
16:09:27< asari> so that anyone can access by bindist.hnd...
16:11:40< asari> Sometimes bindist.finkmirrors.net is very slow (from Japan), so I'm happy if we could offer an alternative.
16:22:33< asari> am.. who should I talk with, about this?
16:23:47< RangerRick> that's a good question
16:23:51< RangerRick> best bet would be to mail fink-core
16:24:07< RangerRick> we're in the middle of needing to rework our mirrors
16:25:00< asari> okay
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16:41:06< dmacks> Dear GNOME: Thanks for changing how scrollkeeper gets called. It makes updating our ports that much easier when we have to rework our patches and configure flags.
16:42:17< RangerRick> heh
16:42:42< mcp> :)
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16:49:27 * newmanbe wacks vim.
16:49:54< newmanbe> If I am in the group that has write privledges, I don't care if I'm not the owner!
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17:19:22< mcp> does osx support multiple ips on an interface, interface aliasing or similar?
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17:22:56< brendan> yes
17:23:38< mcp> ok, found it out
17:23:39< mcp> thanks
17:23:40< mcp> :)
17:27:46< dmacks> Hooray...Fink's wiki breaks Safari's <table> renderer.
17:28:06< newmanbe> Yay!
17:28:13< mcp> hehe
17:28:20< newmanbe> Death to Tables! Death to HTML! Long live plain text!
17:28:45< dmacks> Looks okay in lynx:)
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17:30:39< brendan> w3m is the One True Text Browser
17:31:47< newmanbe> No, University of Minnesota Gopher is!
17:33:30 * brendan hopes gopher isn't contagious
17:34:43< dmacks> No, but you can get some diseases from the its years-old carcas:)
17:34:46< Murr1> heh
17:35:01< Murr1> it's not contagious, it's more threatened, going on extinct
17:36:04< dmacks> Good point.
17:36:27< newmanbe> !comfort newmanbe
17:36:28< Melian> There, there, newmanbe.  It's OK.  I'm here for you.
17:39:52< newmanbe> !cure dmacks Murr1 and brendan 
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17:55:30< newmanbe> Hmm. /me wonders why some .info and .patch files are chmod +x.
18:18:39< asari> is pogma here?
18:18:55< asari> thanks for your response!
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18:34:00< pogma> asari: hi
18:35:06< asari> hi
18:37:09< asari> Ah, sorry for my having used Kanji for From: header..
18:38:42< pogma> that's just the way your mailer is set up, no worries
18:39:14< pogma> do you have a hostname for that machine that we can just add to the mirrors?
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18:40:37< asari> am.. we have "fink.sodan.ecc.u-tokyo.ac.jp" 
18:41:15< asari> so I can easily set up Mirror-apt: http://fink.sodan.ecc.u-tokyo.ac.jp/bindist/bindist
18:41:36< asari> .. which is already set up.
18:43:42< pogma> okay if we just use that?
18:43:51< asari> No problem
18:44:15 * asari find "Hosted By ISC" in http://fink.sodan.ecc.u-tokyo.ac.jp/bindist/bindist/
18:45:44< pogma> okay, gotta get the kid ready for hoikuen, bbl
18:46:12< asari> itterassha-i
18:48:39< dmacks_away> newmanbe: +x is how the person committed it.
18:49:24< newmanbe> And do they just like being silly or is there a reason behind it?
18:49:48< dmacks_away> The former I assume. Some .xml are the same way.
18:50:34< dmacks_away> Maybe someone was using some drive that didn't understand unix permissions so everything becomes a+rwx?
18:51:04< dmacks_away> I think one needs direct access to the CVS server to fix it.
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19:44:22< akh> meh
19:44:42 * akh doesn't know why I'm wasting time on the GNOME games stuff.
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19:46:31< dmacks_away> Well, it could be a bug in libsvrg or whichever one is different version in 10.3 vs 10.4
19:48:26< akh> dmacks_away: Yeah, could be.
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20:03:36< akh> crap:  forgot that I get the _EVP_idea errors here 
20:03:48< akh> !lart gnome-vfs-ssl
20:03:48 * Melian beats gnome-vfs-ssl over the head with a microkernel
20:04:09< akh> (I'm guessing that's it, anyway)
20:06:55< dmacks_away> vasi: Hope you don't mine my editing you/your mentee's "shlibs/splitoffs" wiki page.
20:07:18< vasi> i haven't seen it yet, but it's a wiki
20:07:22< vasi> so do whatever you want
20:07:28< vasi> if i really hate it, i'll revert
20:07:28< akh> yup
20:08:00< akh> Or put nasty stuff in his description page.  ;-)
20:08:06 * pogma added Asari's bindist mirror
20:08:47< Maka> thanks
20:09:32< Maka> hi vasi
20:09:39< pogma> Maka: now you have to bug drm, dmacks_away , vasi , RangerAway etc to make a release
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20:10:09< akh> mostly drm
20:11:16< pogma> btw, did a quick test, installed nano, seems to be better speed than opendarwin from here :) thank you
20:11:33< asari> good :)
20:12:38< asari> well, sorry,  I can't understand "bug" as a transitive verb 
20:12:56< pogma> lol
20:13:23< vasi> hi maka
20:13:28< vasi> aka asari
20:13:30< asari> hi :)
20:13:45< pogma> bug means to ask, repeatedly
20:14:10< vasi> any particular reason you'd like a new release of something?
20:14:19< akh> New mirror, right?
20:14:23< vasi> (and what exactly do you want a new release of?_
20:14:25< pogma> fink-mirrors has new apt mirror
20:14:30< akh> => new fink
20:14:46< vasi> akh, yeah i want that too, we're working on it :-)
20:14:53< akh> (/me consults the random constellation generator)
20:14:59< vasi> new fink-mirrors, you're best off bugging drm or RR
20:15:10< vasi> akh, we'll need a new scheme for 0.25.x!
20:15:27< akh> vasi:  supersymmetric particles.
20:15:35< akh> "stop squark"
20:15:38< vasi> *sigh* physicists...
20:15:43< akh> hehe
20:15:57< vasi> try picking something that *doesn't* scare other ppl, k? :-)
20:16:13< akh> Rabbit breeds?
20:16:43< vasi> just watch you find the Man-Eating Bunny
20:17:02< akh> dmacks_away: I can't just move the deb around--there's a compat. version issue with librsvg2-shlibs.
20:17:15< akh> vasi: with nasty pointy teeth, I know...
20:17:22< vasi> uh ok, what did i do with librsvg2?
20:17:29< pogma> japanese vegetable names
20:17:53< akh> vasi: Dunno--it's the major differing dependency for gnome-games between 10.3 (good) and 10.4 (bad)
20:18:14< akh> I've downgraded to last stable, and now am rebuilding gnome-games.
20:18:28< vasi> ah, i bet the knew gnome-games uses SVG images?
20:18:38< akh> Yup.
20:18:39< vasi> it needs to depend on librsvg2-gtk then
20:18:56< akh> ah
20:19:44 * akh checks the deps
20:20:09< akh> Ah, not there.
20:20:17< akh> Depend, or BuildDepend ?
20:22:09< akh> Must be a depend
20:22:41< akh> yup, that's it.
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20:25:47< vasi> hi beniamino...haven't looked at your new stuff yet, i'm working through my queue
20:25:52< vasi> soonish :-)
20:26:11< beniamino> vasi: hey there. no hurry :-)
20:27:38< beniamino> dmacks_away: i thought i'd hidden that wiki page well enough that no-one would find it for a while...
20:27:48< beniamino> ... then suddenly i'm thinking 'did i write that???'
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20:29:09< dmacks> beniamino: heh:) I saw it on the "recent changes" list, thought "what the heck is that page?"
20:29:45< dmacks> followed by "hey, good idea, lemme add some details that I got tired of re-re-re-explaining to folks"
20:30:41< vasi> dmacks, beniamino: be sure to point miga to that page whenever she's back from $location{miga}
20:30:44< beniamino> yeah, cool. i'm happy your first reaction wasn't 'shit, must delete this before anyone starts believing it1'
20:30:59< dmacks> hehe
20:31:05< vasi> i promised her i'd write a shlibs tutorial, and now you guys did it already?
20:31:19< akh> dmacks: /me committed the change to gnome-games
20:31:44< dmacks> This is more annotated-docs than tutorial (at least in the first half I read before I got side-tracked)
20:31:45< beniamino> vasi: it's just a start
20:31:51< vasi> i know :-)
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20:32:34< akh> megahal!
20:32:47< dmacks> akh: Cool thanks.
20:32:56< beniamino> dmacks: probably. i guess 'tutorial' should be 'read if it's the first time you're doing this'
20:33:13 * dmacks contemplating backporting libwhatever-it-was to 10.3, saw it was more complicated than "change %v and MD5", gave up:)
20:33:45< dmacks> beniamino: I made that distinction because we already have a (web) doc called the "tutorial".
20:34:28 * beniamino loves wikis.
20:34:41< pogma> which miga bugs me to expand to include a shared library example every time she's here :)
20:34:53< dmacks> We don't even have librsvg2-gtk in 10.3:)
20:35:04< dmacks> pogma: ...which was 2 months ago. WTF?
20:35:28< pogma> she's run away with dmalloc!
20:35:37< beniamino> i used to be de facto sysadmin for our group (neuroscience lab). then i dumped the sysadmin parts of my brain to a wiki.  now everyone else is sysadmin :-)
20:36:13 * dmacks looked at the new lib-version for croco also...again, too much for me brane.
20:37:08< beniamino> vasi: also _you_ wrote much of it :-)
20:37:28< dmacks> megahal: Do you know the policy?
20:37:30< megahal> dmacks: You know i love you.
20:37:39< dmacks> *blush*
20:38:48< vasi> dmacks, i wouldn't be surprised if croco and rsvg2 can both go direct to 10.3 as-is
20:39:02< vasi> i've just never had occasion to check
20:40:30< vasi> dmacks, also i see you're playing with libxklavier....kindly ensure that it doesn't play games with XKB
20:40:44< vasi> it used to try to use XKB, which would cause weird crashes
20:41:19< vasi> no idea if it still does
20:42:05< beniamino> where
20:42:08< beniamino> oops
20:42:55< dmacks> vasi: I used the same hack on the new libxklavier as in the old, which is documented "this patch is here b/c OS X doesn't do XKB"...I think it no-ops around the actual kxb stuff.
20:43:44< dmacks> XKB is one of two back-ends that can be used, and I don't understand how or if either one works, so I'd be happy to disable xkb completely if you prefer.
20:44:25< beniamino> beniamino
20:44:28< beniamino> oops again
20:44:32< vasi> vasi
20:44:33< dmacks> I can't find a bugzilla for that package at all, so dunno where to ask about it.
20:44:35< dmacks> dmacks
20:44:39< pogma> lol
20:44:48< dmacks> No, you're pogma, pogma.
20:44:49< vasi> c'mon pogma, you know you wanna
20:45:07< beniamino> :-)
20:45:30< dmacks> Who's gonna be Captain Over?
20:46:46< akh> Nah, I'm over that.
20:47:15< vasi> dmacks, it might be best to just disable XKB...i'm not sure if you could do that when i patched out the XKB stuff
20:47:24< vasi> maybe i just missed it
20:47:42< vasi> anyway, i'm not sure what's the right thing to do, we may want to talk to the gnome people
20:47:59 * akh thinks of the new travelocity commercials.
20:49:00< akh> Or the recent King of the Hill rerun.
20:50:03 * newmanbe thinks akh watches to much television.
20:50:40 * akh is well below the US national average, thank you.
20:50:52< dmacks> Okay, I'll have ./configure fail to find the XKB header.
20:50:56< newmanbe> U.S. a nation? Peshaw.
20:51:09< vasi> dmacks, it appears there's an ENABLE_XKB or some such
20:51:21< akh> newmanbe: sure.  I probably average about 3 hours/day.
20:51:24< vasi> so we could probably just switch the ENABLE/DISABLE part in configure
20:51:27< vasi> :-)
20:51:42< newmanbe> Maybe an hour a week for me.
20:52:36< akh> newmanbe: I agree that's healthier.  /me watched less until I got a DVR box to record the Daily show every evening.
20:53:24< vasi> hmm, damn table on the gnome page managed to mess itself up again
20:53:27< vasi> wiki tables really suck
20:54:33< beniamino> vasi: yes they do. but you can use html tables if you prefer. which is unlikely :-/
20:54:49< vasi> html tables kinda suck too, though
20:55:00< vasi> would be nice to just keep a tab-delimited file or something
20:55:07< vasi> and have it auto-generate the table
20:55:17< newmanbe> s/html tables/HTML/
20:55:18< vasi> but i'm too lazy to implement that atm :-)
20:56:12< beniamino> if you put a space at the start of the line, you get fixed-width font. that is the lazy man's table
20:56:47< akh> Or you could use LaTeX to generate the table then upload the file.  ;-)
20:57:27< akh> That wouldn't be a PITA   9.9 
21:00:42< vasi>   All 'information' contained herein is probably wrong
21:00:44< vasi> heh
21:03:32< vasi> dmacks, what would you think of a 'fink env $pkg' command....that installs all the BDeps, and outputs a bash command to setup the environment?
21:03:52< vasi> so you could just   eval `fink env foo`  and then manually perform the build
21:04:27< akh> That'd be good for the roll-your-own people.
21:04:40 * akh adds my mentee's package to Fink.
21:04:44< vasi> yay!
21:05:43< beniamino> vasi: that would be cool... just 'make clean' instead of deleting and unpacking everything again
21:06:45< vasi> well i usually test packages by doing manual builds just-like-fink-would...so this would facilitate that
21:06:51< vasi> i'll put it on the list for 0.26
21:07:14< akh> Nice.
21:07:29< akh> So we're going 0.26 => 1.0 ?
21:07:52< vasi> um, not really
21:07:58< vasi> we're going 0.26 to $something
21:08:01< akh> heh
21:08:09< vasi> but we have a list of things that definitely should be there before 1.0
21:08:22< akh> Smart dep engine?
21:09:28 * akh wishes I knew what the deal with Aqua-unison and ssh keys was.  It -used- to work.
21:09:36< newmanbe> Trained monkeys?
21:10:00< akh> newmanbe: For what, the dep engine?
21:10:13< newmanbe> Ayup. :)
21:10:16< vasi> akh, i have my long term plans re the dep engine
21:10:22< akh> Yah
21:10:24< vasi> won't be able to tell you for a while if it will work
21:10:57< akh> ah
21:11:15< beniamino> so what's the deal with gettext 0.14? builddeps: libgettext3-dev and gettext-tools, deps: libgettext3-shlibs ? if you just need to link against the shlibs?
21:11:15 * akh eagerly awaits testing it in HEAD. :-)
21:12:17< beniamino> akh: what _exactly_ is unison-aqua's problem? it's when you're using a ssh keys with a passphrase?
21:12:30< akh> Yeah.
21:13:02 * akh hasn't tried moving my keys out of the way yet as a test.
21:13:10< beniamino> so unison-aqua is the client? 
21:13:17< beniamino> i.e you're sitting at it
21:13:22< akh> Yup
21:13:58< beniamino> when did it work?
21:14:04< akh> Many versions ago.
21:14:08< akh> Like 2.9.1
21:14:23< beniamino> ooohhhh.. before the aqua interface
21:14:43< akh> Maybe later--I remember the Aqua interface working.
21:15:18< akh> moving my keys files didn't help.
21:16:24< akh> ah, well
21:16:36< beniamino> akh: i'll look into it. 
21:16:41< akh> cool
21:17:59< beniamino> of course, if you weren't paranoid, you wouldn't need a passphrase :-)
21:18:27< akh> your point being,,,
21:18:32< akh> ;-)
21:25:56< dmacks> Yay, KDE build finished!
21:27:27< akh> Shh!  RangerAway will pull a wacko-elitist-potty-mouth and update something else!
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21:34:41< beniamino> akh: d'you know how i give a passphrase to an existing key?
21:35:03< akh> beniamino: It's been a while--
21:35:16< beniamino> fair'nuf
21:36:37< akh> And now that you mention it, I never did figure it out.  :-(
21:36:48 * akh always has to enter my password at those promps.
21:37:29< akh> Ah, found a link:  http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=761&group_id=1#passphrase_usage
21:37:35< akh> (for SF keys, anyway)
21:39:26< dmacks> akh: How does "Depends: macosx | x11" work?
21:39:46< akh> dmacks: fsk
21:39:55< dmacks> ?
21:40:12 * akh was enjoying my margarita and missed it.
21:40:40< akh> The package built and validated, though.
21:40:51< dmacks> Well thanks a hell of a lot...for not giving me some of the bev.
21:41:50< akh> Sorry.  Next time.
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21:42:27< dmacks> (Also seems odd that something that "provides a c interface" isn't -shlibs-ified.)
21:42:41< akh> hmm--the dep on macosx was for openGL stuff that Darwin lacks.
21:42:56< akh> dmacks:  Yeah, but there's no libs
21:43:09< dmacks> Just template classes?
21:43:13< akh> yup
21:43:28< dmacks> Then no need for GCC field?
21:43:34< akh> wait--there's 1 .a file
21:44:15< dmacks> Well anyhoo, *something*'s strange there when you get a chance.
21:44:43< akh> I'll hit it right now
21:45:14 * dmacks -> bed right now. ta...
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21:45:28< akh> omg, I'm going to bed later than dmacks.
21:47:39< akh> (but not much later--the margarita and beer are making me slee........
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23:52:21< brendan> So I'm trying to update gsasl9 and move the shared lib that matches the soname from -dev to -shlibs. But if I do nothing or I put in a Conflicts: gsasl9-dev (<< 0.2.8-1), I get an error upgrading. I could put a Replaces in there too I guess, but it seems weird to have gsasl9-shlibs Replaces gsasl9-dev (<< 0.2.8-1). Is it the right way?
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