--- Log opened Tue Sep 13 00:00:28 2005
00:02:39< pogma> openoffice.org upstream, or fink's openoffice package?
00:04:01< drm> well, i am not following too closely... recent change to the fink package involved replace DYLD_LIBARY_PATH by /path/to/libJPEG:$DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH
00:04:29< drm> man, a busy night for firetrucks
00:13:45< cirdan> hey drm 
00:15:20< drm> hi cirdan
00:15:58< cirdan> have a look at my branch?
00:16:07< cirdan> also has anyone tested fink with the new devtools?
00:16:22< drm> did you have a chance to look at cdrdao and gcdmaster?
00:16:22< cirdan> :-)
00:16:30< cirdan> i thought you did
00:16:47< drm> well, i started to, but only after waiting a while for you to do it
00:16:51< cirdan> oh
00:16:55< cirdan> ok
00:17:03< drm> most likely i'll just omit these pkgs from 10.4 unless they are updated :)
00:17:04< cirdan> i'll update it then
00:17:07< cirdan> :-p
00:17:34< drm> cirdan: we can hope that msachs made sure that the new devtools didn't break fink
00:17:46< drm> but there is no testing that has been done that i know of
00:17:53< cirdan> ah
00:18:09< drm> now that the devtools folks are on this fast release cycle, we need a way to handle this
00:18:09< cirdan> me just saw preview 2 was out
00:18:33< drm> why would they call it preview if it is out?
00:18:33< vasi> later all
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00:18:43< cirdan> seed members only
00:18:54< drm> ok... i don't have a seed anymore
00:19:00< cirdan> oh, really?
00:19:05< drm> so you are breaking your NDA! :)
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00:19:26< cirdan> whitness?  ididn't see no accident!
00:21:30< cirdan> well, g'night then
00:22:03< drm> later
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00:32:53< beniamino> is there a way to get cmd-` to work with fink's xdarwin?
00:33:01< cirdan> no
00:33:16< beniamino> argh
00:33:22< cirdan> use ctrl-tab
00:33:34< cirdan> err, alt-tab
00:33:40< cirdan> or both ;-)
00:34:41< beniamino> hmm.. i just tried all c-t a-t and c-a-t... none of them do anything...
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00:40:21< beniamino> and now my matlab windows jump around all funny :-(
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00:40:40< synd> is it me, or is irssi not finking in 10.4?
00:40:57< synd> says perl5801-core is a dependency
00:41:04< synd> but its not installable
00:41:07< synd> help?
00:49:19< pnorman> checking on my 10.4 system
00:49:31< pnorman> I need to install irssi on it anyways
00:50:11< pnorman> Well, it's started, it's doing configure checks
00:51:02< pnorman> Getting some compile warnings
00:51:27< pnorman> G_VA_COPY redefined, but no errors
00:52:40< pnorman> synd, I'm not having any problems with irssi installation, except a lot of gcc warnings
00:56:35< synd> hmm, alright
00:56:47< synd> how do i completely remove fink?
00:57:12< synd> i could try reinstalling fink, then try with irssi
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01:07:18< pnorman> Don't know, I haven't done that
01:07:29< synd> ah. 
01:07:34< synd> sudo rm -rf /sw
01:07:58< pnorman> What exact command were you using to try to install irssi?
01:08:08< synd> apt-get install irssi
01:08:13< synd> sudo*
01:08:18< pnorman> I did fink install irssi
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01:09:31< synd> hmm
01:09:43< pnorman> fink show-deps irssi shows perl586-core, among others, but nothing else perl related
01:14:47< pnorman> Is there even any irssi development going on anymore?
01:16:24< synd> i dont think so
01:16:32< synd> not sure if it needs it, tbh
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01:16:45< synd> ahh, i installed fink 0.8
01:17:00< synd> did fink install irssi
01:17:00< synd> it worked :)
01:17:02< pnorman> Well, 0.8.9 is the latest version and that's from late 2003.
01:18:18< pnorman> and 0.8.10-rc5 is from mid-late 2004
01:19:16< pnorman> I may need to switch IRC clients at some point, but I haven't found another I like
01:20:53< synd> i love irssi
01:21:08< synd> being able to ssh into it from anywhere is my fav
01:21:29< pnorman> I can get that with bitchx, but I've found the support for multiple servers in bitchx lacking.
01:23:54< pnorman> Also I like never having to reconnect when I put my laptop to sleep.
01:23:58< pnorman> 23:23:32 Irssi uptime: 258d 6h 31m 53s
01:25:02< pnorman> I know I'm behind on updates but I haven't been able to schedule the time to update the computer when I'm actually there
01:25:20< pnorman> It might still be running 10.2 even, but I think it's on 10.3
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02:09:10< joe_oblivian> hi everybody
02:10:17< joe_oblivian> I've got some problems in building Xorg from source. Looks like the open GL libraries do not compile properly... Did anyone else ran into a similar problem?
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03:59:04< geekux> hi
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04:29:48< geekux> hi, i am getting the exact same error as described here: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.os.apple.fink.tracker/4676 . already searched the web but was unable to find a suitable solution. any help would be apprecitated. :)
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06:30:15< irbdavid> hiya, i d/led ethereal with fink, how should i get the program to start though. i get errors when i do it from a terminal, and from an xterm also
06:31:07< irbdavid> display errors
06:31:17< newmanbe> Hello.
06:31:24< newmanbe> From xterm too? Hrmm.
06:31:49 * newmanbe needs to get a gopherpaste bot...
06:32:34< irbdavid> (ethereal:6464): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader module file '/sw/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory
06:32:44< irbdavid> first error display, others are similar
06:33:08< irbdavid> when i installed x11, i didnt use fink, i d/led it from apple IIRC
06:33:49< newmanbe> I'd check the FAQ.
06:33:51< newmanbe> !faq
06:33:51< Melian> methinks faq is at http://www.finkproject.org/faq/
06:34:01< newmanbe> If cirdan ever fixed that.
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07:02:50< joe_oblivian> I've got some problems in building Xorg from source. Looks like the open GL libraries do not compile properly... Did anyone else ran into a similar problem?
07:10:24< RangerAway> joe_oblivian: hard to say without more specifics
07:10:59< RangerAway> paste the actual error to lisppaste
07:10:59< RangerAway> lisppaste: url
07:11:00< lisppaste> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink and enter your paste.
07:14:29< joe_oblivian> RangerAway: ok
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07:47:19< cirdan> morning all
07:47:43< geekux> hey cirdan 
07:48:17< cirdan> heh
07:48:19< cirdan> hey geekux 
07:48:27< geekux> hey got a buffer in your IRC client? ;D
07:48:39< cirdan> maybe
07:48:41< geekux> i've got a little problem i was unable to solve :\
07:48:46< geekux> 11:29 < geekux> hi, i am getting the exact same error as described here:  http://article.gmane.org/gmane.os.apple.fink.tracker/4676 . already  searched the web but was unable to find a suitable solution. any help  would be apprecitated. :)
07:49:21< cirdan> never used it
07:49:25< cirdan> don't even really know what it is
07:49:45< cirdan> did you install fink while 10.3 or 10.4 was installed?
07:50:24< geekux> while 10.4 was installed
07:50:34< geekux> my Mac shipped w/ 10.4.1, that is.
07:50:53< cirdan> ok
07:50:59< cirdan> dunno then
07:51:01< geekux> :(
07:51:15< geekux> all i want to do is compile xmms2 to get a decent audio player :\
07:51:22< cirdan> xmm2?
07:51:37< geekux> but scons won't work as long as python is broken
07:51:41< geekux> cirdan: yeah
07:51:43< cirdan> what's scones needed for then
07:51:48< geekux> it's required for compilation
07:52:59< cirdan> is there a newer upstream maybe/
07:53:10< geekux> of xmms2? or scons?
07:53:16< cirdan> well, RangerAway is the maintainer
07:53:18< cirdan> sons
07:53:20< cirdan> maybe he could help?
07:53:39< cirdan> RangerAway: ;-)
07:53:40< geekux> i installed the latest repo version from source via finkcommander
07:54:16< cirdan> what version is that?
07:54:20< cirdan> dplg -l scons
07:54:22< cirdan> err, dpkg
07:54:33< geekux> hang on
07:55:49< cirdan> geekux: see if there is a later version in unstable
07:55:49< cirdan> fink install scons
07:56:08< cirdan> the repo has stable packages only...
07:56:44< geekux> i set up fikcommander to use unstable branches as well...
07:56:50< geekux> /sw/bin/dpkg-deb: failed to read archive `scons': No such file or directory
07:56:53< geekux> ^ huh...
07:57:06< cirdan> uh
07:57:07< geekux> but scons is installed.
07:57:17< cirdan> you did dplg -l scons?
07:57:24< geekux> oh.
07:57:36< cirdan> pkhg
07:57:38< geekux> i read the "l" as an uppercase "i"
07:57:44< geekux> :D
07:57:45< cirdan> bah
07:57:47< geekux> ii  scons          0.96.1-1       Python-based build tool
07:58:17< geekux> hmm
07:58:20< cirdan> 0.96.1-3 is in unstable
07:58:25< cirdan> try that version
07:58:26< geekux> hm
07:58:34< cirdan> is unstable enabled?
07:58:35< geekux> i thought i was using unstable, wtf
07:58:45< geekux> i enabled it using that checkbox in the finkcommander prefs...
07:58:45< cirdan> the bindist only has stable stuff
07:58:59< cirdan> you only use unstable when building from source
07:59:12< geekux> oh
07:59:14< geekux> hang on then
07:59:21< cirdan> try doing an update-all and see what gets updated :-)
07:59:39 * cirdan usually uses the terminal + screen session
07:59:47< geekux> hm, actually i did install from source
07:59:54< geekux> ssh'ing to my mac box now
08:00:11< geekux> running fink update-all now
08:00:11< cirdan> sudo vim /sw/etc/fink.conf
08:00:21< cirdan> make sure the unstable trees are there too
08:00:29< geekux> hang on :)
08:03:08< geekux> compiling stuff right now :)
08:03:54< geekux> cirdan: $ grep unstable /sw/etc/fink.conf
08:03:55< geekux> Trees: local/main stable/main stable/crypto unstable/crypto unstable/main
08:04:35< geekux> ^ ..tis correct?
08:04:35< cirdan> yup
08:08:15< geekux> hm, it's recompiling a packages now
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08:15:24< geekux> cirdan: bbl, gotta do some rl stuff while shit compiles ;D
08:15:30< geekux> cirdan: thanks for your help so far
08:15:50< geekux> oh
08:16:03< geekux> it's already finished compiling
08:16:04< geekux> ii  scons               0.96.1-1            Python-based build tool
08:16:04< geekux> hmm.
08:16:15< geekux> even after update-all :(
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08:26:06< RangerRick> geekux: 0.96.1-3 fixes that issue
08:26:58< cirdan> geekux: fink selfupdate && fink -y update-all
08:27:58< RangerRick> might want to "fink selfupdate-rsync" just to be sure
08:28:16< RangerRick> instead of relying on what selfupdate is set to do
08:28:30< RangerRick> whose idea was it to let people stay at point releases anyways?  ;)
08:28:39< cirdan> heh
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08:35:30< tbender> hallo.
08:35:56< tbender> im using tiger and tried to build he newes python24 package
08:36:11< tbender> anybody in here who managed that successful?
08:36:48< tbender> i added the unstable tree and used the command fink install python24
08:37:15< RangerRick> paste the error(s) you get to lisppaste 
08:37:17< RangerRick> lisppaste: url
08:37:17< lisppaste> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink and enter your paste.
08:37:41< tbender> ok. thx
08:37:49< RangerRick> like, you're getting a compile error?
08:37:53< RangerRick> or it's just not finding it?  :)
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08:45:25 * akh built it yesterday.
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09:17:44< lisppaste> tbender pasted "fink08 python24 buildbug" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/11643
09:18:37< tbender> hehe
09:18:37< tbender> compile error
09:19:28< tbender> but the error exists since python240... 
09:21:35< pogma> akh: the mmap cvs bug is already fixed in cvs versions of gnulib and cvs
09:21:55< pogma> akh: since may (/me feels foolish for not checking)
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09:26:39< tbender> i tried to build python23, which produces the same error. does anybody know if i need the quicktime-sdk to build python2x?
09:27:25< tbender> thats my first error: In file included from Python/mactoolboxglue.c:27:
09:27:25< tbender> ./Include/pymactoolbox.h:27:33: error: QuickTime/QuickTime.h: No such file or directory
09:28:54< pogma> what gcc version, do you have /System/Library/Frameworks/QuickTime.framework/Headers/QuickTime.h ?
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09:30:31< tbender> i only have /Developer/Headers/FlatCarbon/QuickTime.h
09:30:49< tbender> gcc version 4.0.0
09:31:09< pogma> there's your problem
09:31:28< pogma> you ned to get the quicktime framework back from whereever it disappeared to
09:32:09< tbender> ok... thx... googling for it. 
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09:43:25< Anselme> hi ! this is an english speaking channel ? ou je peux parler en français ?
09:44:29< cirdan_> english
09:45:01< Anselme> i've installed xchat with fink on an ibook G4 but i can't load it ... any idea ?
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09:45:45< tbender> pogma: hi again. thx for your help. I've installed quicktime-sdk and the Quicktimeheader is back now. 
09:46:53< tbender> pogma: do you know somebody, to whom i can write a mail, that in future it will be mentioned on the fink webpage, that you need to install quicktime-sdk?
09:47:17< tbender> sorry for my bad english
09:47:32< Anselme> xchat doesnot appear in the application folder and when i try to open it in a shell, i've got :(xchat:894): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
09:47:46< tbender> anselme: 
09:47:47< tbender> ups
09:47:53< Anselme> i've x11 installed ... what i missed ?
09:48:23< tbender> anselme: you need to open X and start xchat in a x11 xterm
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09:52:07< Anselme> tbender : ok when i do it, i got a "command not found" answer ? 
09:53:21< tbender> anselme: you pathvariable is not set for the xterm
09:53:25< tbender> use /sw/bin/xchat
09:55:47< cirdan_> Anselme: read the faq
09:55:52< cirdan_> !tell Anselme about faq
09:56:15< cirdan_> !cannot
09:56:16< cirdan_>           open display
09:56:32< cirdan_> !cannot open
09:56:35< cirdan_> !cannot open display
09:56:37< Melian> cannot open display is, like, http://fink.sourceforge.net/faq/usage-general.php#no-display
09:56:38< cirdan_> grrr
09:58:57< Anselme> tbender : ok, thanks for the help :) 
09:59:42< tbender> no problem
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10:10:08< tbender> ciao
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10:29:57< akh> pogma: OK
10:30:29< geekux> back
10:30:41< geekux> cirdan: doing that right now :)
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10:54:32< akh> hmmm...RangerRick didn't moderate his own messages through?
10:55:16< RangerRick> oh, yeah, changed e-mail addresses, forgot to go back in and moderate that  :)
10:55:19< RangerRick> I need to go nomail sign up
10:55:25< akh> yup.
10:55:30< RangerRick> I get so much spam at ranger@, I'm trying to deprecate it
10:55:36< akh> Makes sense.
10:55:59< RangerRick> I now need to make one of those little e-mail db one-time mail things
10:56:17< RangerRick> when someone sends to ranger@befunk.com, send something only once to them that says my e-mail's changed
10:56:26< RangerRick> but I haven't gotten aroudn to it yet
10:57:19 * akh is going to have to look back and start subscribing people who post frequently.
10:57:29< akh> (nomail)
10:57:46< akh> Only because I said I would.  ;-)
10:59:13< akh> Actually, I should just suggest that they subscribe nomail and/or offer to do it.
11:02:23< pogma> RangerRick: is any version of sane-backends in stable?
11:02:48< pogma> RangerRick: I suggest that you just move dmalloc's gpgme11 :(
11:03:01< RangerRick> yeah, I was going to move it myself, but I made a fix yesterday, wanted to let that settle down first
11:03:01< akh> pogma: Nope.
11:03:09< RangerRick> not sure about sane-backends
11:03:11< akh> (sane backends)
11:05:37< pogma> I have never gotten any feedback at all on sane
11:06:00< pogma> but it has been there for ages, so feel free to move it
11:19:12< akh> w00t!  /me got my powerbook back.
11:23:19< akh> Now if only RangerRick would stop updating packages while I'm in the middle of updating oo.org... :-)
11:24:23< akh> (but that would induce _huge_ delays)
11:25:25 * akh needs a conditional update.
11:25:44< akh> "fink update <stuff that doesn't build-depend on libgettext3-dev>"
11:30:32< lisppaste> akh pasted "oops! in libshout4 2.1-1" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/11647
11:31:09< akh> RangerRick:  Was the manpage location for libshout-2.1-1 that way by design?
11:37:50< akh> (as last committer)
11:39:16< akh> (%i/shareman instead of %p/share/man)
11:39:35< akh> oops--insert appropriate / above
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11:52:17< akh> RangerRick: Belay that.  :-) 
11:52:25< akh> Found my answer.
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12:10:06< HenkPoley> Could somebody take a look at this bug? I've been asking around yesterday, but nobody knew how to fix it.. http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1289668&group_id=17203&atid=117203
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12:11:56< dmacks> That's a weird one, Henk!
12:17:55< dmacks> You're using Tiger? What verison of the svn-ssl-swig-py23 package do you have? Did your fink compile it or download a precompiled binary of it? How exactly does trac run python? ("python", "/usr/bin/python", "python2.3", etc?)
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12:36:03< HenkPoley> dmacks: yes, I use tiger
12:36:10< HenkPoley> compiled
12:37:28< HenkPoley> Version: i   svn-ssl-swig-py23               1.2.1-11                Subversion - Swig Python bindings (with SSL)
12:38:35< HenkPoley> #!/sw/bin/python2.3
12:38:42< HenkPoley> ping dmacks  ?
12:38:56< dmacks> Dunno man:( Those all seem consistent.
12:39:13< dmacks> Is there some DYLD_* env var being set?
12:39:34< HenkPoley> If i `chmod -d /usr/lib/libiconv.2.dynlib` Apache gives an "internal server error"
12:39:48< HenkPoley> dmacks: if you tell me where to look I'll tell you :-P
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12:40:11< HenkPoley>  /sw/share/trac/cgi-bin/trac.cgi at least doesn
12:40:17< HenkPoley> ..does not
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12:40:35< HenkPoley> And apache should be loading that directly
12:40:55< dmacks> I don't know a thing about trac. I'm just speculating on causes. It's very strange that it's reporting a problem about /sw/lib/libiconv whose details do not match that file.
12:41:26< HenkPoley> Only my libiconv in /usr/lib is 5.0.0
12:41:40< dmacks> Right. That's correct for apple's I think.
12:41:41< HenkPoley> (and is aparantly used somewhere in Apache)
12:41:54< dmacks> Apple's apache or Fink's?
12:42:11< HenkPoley> I use Apple's Personal Webserver (Tiger Client not Server)
12:42:54< dmacks> Maybe apache has already loaded that libiconv, so it doens't bother loading another one (even though this other one is different?)
12:43:27< HenkPoley> The previous time I did a fink self-update I fixed a similar (also linking related) error by reinstalling all packages, maybe I should try that..
12:43:44< HenkPoley> dmacks: probably, but why?
12:43:51< dmacks> Dunno.
12:44:06< RangerRick> that shouldn't affect a cgi, though, dmacks 
12:44:11< RangerRick> unless it's using mod_python
12:44:16< RangerRick> setting DYLD_* in apache would though
12:44:37< HenkPoley> How would I know it uses mod_python (AFAIK I don't)
12:44:42< dmacks> Right. It's gotta be *something* like that.
12:45:10< HenkPoley> python -> "Pattern not found"
12:45:16< HenkPoley> (in httpd.conf)
12:46:14< HenkPoley> bleh, I alsways have to go away at the point where an IRC conversation starts..
12:46:20< dmacks> heh
12:46:49< HenkPoley> anyways, I have my 'tiger' lurking in this channel, so if anything pops into your mind that might fix it
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13:07:19< dmacks> Anyone know whether it's preferable to be using -O3 -funroll-loops -fstrict-aliasing ?
13:07:31< RangerRick> I don't know, really
13:07:47< RangerRick> maybe bbraun or one of the other #od folks would know
13:08:54< cirdan> !tell dmacks about gentoo
13:09:05< cirdan> aww
13:09:11< cirdan> wrong def
13:09:15< cirdan> !gentoo
13:09:15< Melian> methinks gentoo is  "Having seen the Gentoo install instructions, I think I'd rathercircumcise myself." -anonymous.
13:09:18< dmacks> heh
13:09:23< cirdan> !gentoo
13:09:30< cirdan> !gentoo
13:09:30< Melian> "Gentoo Portage on OSX: If you enjoy never knowing what state your system is in, go for it."
13:09:34< cirdan> grr
13:09:36< cirdan> !lart Melian 
13:09:36 * Melian keeps mailing cirdan free America Online CDs until he drowns
13:23:30< htodd> do you guys put an "fc-cache" as a postinstall step to your packages?
13:24:16< RangerRick> in x.org, yes
13:24:21< RangerRick> and a couple of other things
13:24:42< RangerRick> because apple's font cache is messed up on fresh tiger installs
13:24:49< RangerRick> I just got a report of it freezing forever  :P
13:25:10< RangerRick> (yay)
13:28:09< dmacks> ha: http://www.strategypage.com/humor/articles/military_jokes_20057151.asp
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13:40:53< dmacks> RangerRick: Is %p/share/doc/installed-packages for general use (for pkgs that otherwise contain no files)?
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13:45:40< RangerRick> dmacks: sure
13:45:54< RangerRick> it used to be kde-installed-packages or something, but I moved it in case anyone else wanted to use it  :)
13:45:54< dmacks> 'k
13:46:12 * dmacks tries to fix gnome-games yet again.
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14:32:04< dmacks> News flash: having two splitoffs in a .info with the same Package name is a Bad Idea.
14:37:01< RangerRick> haha
14:37:07< RangerRick> you don't say!
14:37:25< dmacks> Oh, but I do.
14:37:46< dmacks> That fink-gnome-core guy is a real idiot.
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15:04:10< geekux> so, where's the ready-to-use Cocoa GUI ;)
15:11:50< RangerRick> FinkCommander, in the fink installer .dmg  :)
15:12:47< geekux> oh, sorry, wrong window :D
15:12:52< RangerRick> haha
15:13:05< geekux> i wanted to ask that question in the xmms2 channel :D
15:13:40< geekux> just compiled xmms2 via scons :)
15:14:56< geekux> hm, i installed w/ PREFIX=/sw. the libs where therefore placed in /sw/lib. but xmms2 doesn't look for them in that place. what variable do i have to set to make my apps look for libs in /sw/lib as well?
15:16:45< geekux> ah
15:16:48< geekux>   defaults write com.sburrious.finkcommander AppleLanguages "(en, de)"
15:16:50< geekux>   defaults write com.sburrious.finkcommander AppleLanguages "(en, de)"
15:16:50< geekux> err
15:16:56< geekux> sorry :)
15:17:06< geekux> it was DYLD_FALLBACK_LIBRARY_PATH
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15:24:16< dmacks> RangerRick: Speaking of Cocoa GUI, where the hell is KDE/Mac?
15:24:35 * akh waits for RangerRick to /kick dmacks.  ;-)
15:26:09< RangerRick> haha
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15:26:43< RangerRick> OK
15:26:50< RangerRick> :)
15:27:04< akh> dang.
15:27:14< akh> Now GNOME will never get updated.
15:27:16< akh> ;-)
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15:28:30< dmacks> If I fix distcc for you, can we be friends again?
15:28:34< RangerRick> he told me to
15:28:39< RangerRick> sure (didn't know it was broken...)
15:28:51< RangerRick> oh, yeah, you'd told me something about it, but I forgot now
15:28:55< RangerRick> BDO or something?
15:29:03< dmacks> libhowl usage.
15:29:08< RangerRick> ah, yeah
15:30:09 * akh doesn't have the clout to _make_ people do stuff.  Just ask my wife.
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15:53:50< mcp> do I need some magic to use phpmyadmin successfully with mysql from osx 10.4? I always get Server not responding
15:53:59< dmacks> Did you start the server?
15:54:33< mcp> dmacks: yes :p
15:54:45< mcp> I can access it via mysql cli
15:54:48< dmacks> 'k (figured I'd better ask the obvious first:)
15:54:54< mcp> :)
15:55:20< dmacks> I haven't used fink's phpmyadmin, but I know others have. Dunno what tricks (if any) were needed.
15:55:28< mcp> the error is "#2002 - The server is not responding (or the local MySQL server's socket is not correctly configured)"
15:55:48< mcp> neither tcp nor socket in config.php.inc will work
15:56:19< dmacks> bbraun was having trouble with geting mysql.sock configured correctly a few days ago.
15:56:42< dmacks> Maybe ask in #opendarwin?
15:56:46< mcp> ok
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16:14:20< dmacks> RangerRick: distcc updated. Not sure if it works since I got but one box to use:)
16:16:35< RangerRick> heh, ok
16:16:42< lisppaste> mcp pasted "apache2-ssl* build depends?" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/11650
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16:23:13< dmacks> mcp: 'fink remove automake1.7'
16:23:56< dmacks> Oh wait, you tried that.
16:24:48< dmacks> ...and it solved the first problem. Now you've got a similar-sounding problem with apr-shlibs, so remove it.
16:24:55< newmanbe> !lart forms that have too small spaces.
16:24:55 * Melian wallops forms that have too small spaces. with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing.  It won't take long
16:25:19< dmacks> (switching among ssl and non-ssl forms is always painful)
16:25:32< newmanbe> !give dmacks Asprin
16:26:10< dmacks> :)
16:26:30< lisppaste> mcp pasted "apache2 blabla build bla" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/11651
16:26:34< mcp> dmacks: guess what? ^ :)
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16:27:26< dmacks> Ahhh...pain.
16:27:34 * newmanbe guesses apache2 didn't build.
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16:27:44< newmanbe> Which is a very good thing for you mcp, even if you didn't know it.
16:28:19< dmacks> How about 'fink install db43-ssh-shlibs'?
16:28:24< dmacks> s/ssh/ssl/
16:28:29< mcp> conflicting with db43-shlibs
16:29:28< dmacks> Really? db43-ssl-shlibs claims to automatically replace db43-shlibs
16:30:22< lisppaste> mcp annotated #11651 with "yes, really" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/11651#1
16:30:52< dmacks> Wow, somethin's pretty busted here.
16:30:59< mcp> ack :)
16:31:25< newmanbe> dmacks: I'm going to ask you questions on chief core-member of the core-member group.
16:31:33< newmanbe> For your confirmation?
16:31:43< newmanbe> s/?/./
16:31:53< newmanbe> What are your views on openssl-system?
16:31:56< newmanbe> :-p
16:32:08< mcp> P.S.: now with fink's mysql (instead of apple's) with phpmyadmin: #1251 - Client does not support authentication protocol requested by server; consider upgrading MySQL client
16:32:09< mcp> lol
16:32:22< dmacks> heh:(
16:32:53< mcp> this sucks
16:33:17< dmacks> dpkg -r --force-depends db43-shlibs
16:33:30< newmanbe> anonlog totally doesn't work on the logs produced by bucktoothd.
16:34:07< dmacks> newmanbe: I am strongly ambivalent about openssl-system
16:34:12< newmanbe> lol
16:34:26< lisppaste> mcp annotated #11651 with "wow, cool. dmacks knows the magic :)" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/11651#2
16:34:55< dmacks> I hate our foo/foo-ssl schizophrenia and swapping/dependency mess, I hate that we can't bindist anything that uses openssl.
16:35:15< dmacks> I dislike relying on apple.
16:35:21< mcp> agreed
16:35:49< dmacks> :)
16:36:15< mcp> okay, now building apache2-ssl and php5-ssl and *blabla-ssl
16:36:16< mcp> :)
16:36:18< dmacks> Right.
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18:02:13< newmanbe> !lart the powers not be for not giving newmanbe a UPS.
18:02:14 * Melian teaches the powers not be the basics, including how to RTM for not giving newmanbe a UPS.
18:02:36< newmanbe> It would have made a little more sense without the non.
18:03:23< gopherd> Not rather.
18:03:49< newmanbe> Having more than one irssi open confuses me. :)
18:04:41< mcp> newmanbe: you said apache2-ssl won't build?
18:05:02< newmanbe> No idea. I wouldn't use Apache. :)
18:05:16< mcp> aha
18:05:22< mcp> what then? IIS? ;)
18:05:30< newmanbe> bucktoothd
18:05:36< newmanbe> No, IIS is icky too.
18:06:07< newmanbe> The storm is disrupting my radio.
18:06:29< newmanbe> Which is why I want the UPS.
18:06:37< newmanbe> Woa, here it is. :)
18:06:48< newmanbe> The National Weather Service lied.
18:07:53< newmanbe> A minuted and a half late.
18:08:07< newmanbe> Woa, light just dimmed.
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18:35:48< goatbar> has anyone done any packaging with python eggs/setuptools?
18:38:02< newmanbe> No idea.
18:38:08< newmanbe> !pdb
18:38:08< Melian> The package database can be found at http://www.finkproject.org/pdb/ .
18:38:29< newmanbe> Or check your local Fink installations.
18:39:21< goatbar> I haven't found any examples.  I can get distutils to work fine for other packages, but no luck with wxOptParse
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20:25:35< akh> wow, quiet night.
20:25:47< akh> was there a netsplit?
20:26:08< newmanbe_> No idea.
20:26:21< newmanbe_> But I just made a paste server in bash!
20:26:26< akh> heh
20:26:41< akh> Cool.
20:26:49< newmanbe_> I might make it avaliable for people to telnet into after some more testing.
20:27:03< newmanbe_> Hope they know how to use vim. :)
20:27:28< akh> Eww.  That'd be our lisppaste backup I guess.
20:27:48< newmanbe_> I could have it ask you if you want to use nano or something.
20:28:06< akh> Probably a good idea for the n00bs
20:28:16< newmanbe_> if package is in section editors and does not reuqire x11 install package :)
20:28:27< akh> yup
20:29:30 * akh thinks I'm going convert my old wiki into a compile log failure repository.
20:30:31< newmanbe_> Hehe.
20:31:58< akh> That way I can post a link when lisppaste is broken.
20:33:08< vasi> generally you should use $EDITOR, no?
20:33:15< akh> That's true.
20:33:20< akh> Good point, vasi
20:33:37< akh> Just like with cvs commits.
20:33:47< vasi> i love that i can use TextWrangler for that :-)
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20:34:59 * akh downloads it.
20:36:25< akh> vasi:  We should make "mentoring" someone to take GNOME over a high priority.
20:37:06< pogma> bbraun: moving here ... either/both of those solutions need a new fink release
20:37:18< bbraun> pogma: yup
20:37:38< bbraun> there's no rush on my part, although it is scary not having control of the mirrors.
20:37:41< vasi> !seen Fingolfin
20:37:41< Melian> fingolfin <Fingolfin@fingolfin.user> was last seen on IRC in channel #fink, 38d 9h 56m 1s ago, saying: 'so... I guess... no way to undelete files on HFS+.... or is there.... ? <sigh>'.
20:38:00< pogma> or at least a fink-mirrors release ... I think teh domain expires fairly soon though
20:38:18< vasi> still no news on the dmalloc situation? ack
20:38:35< bbraun> always an option to try to buy it when it expires, assuming no auto-rereg situation.
20:39:03< pogma>  Expires on: 14-OCT-05
20:39:21< bbraun> might be worth waiting the month and see if we can pick it up after that.
20:40:28< vasi> maybe Fink, Inc ought to (tm) 'fink'?
20:40:56< bbraun> then sue for the domain?  =)
20:41:40< akh> hehe
20:41:47< vasi> well, ask nicely ;-)
20:42:17< newmanbe_> vasi: Using $EDITOR would imply that the person was using their own account.
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20:42:25< newmanbe_> $VISUAL is more 
20:42:31< newmanbe_> "correct".
20:43:57< dmacks> According to bash, $EDITOR is the variable checked when an editor is needed.
20:44:22< newmanbe_> Then it's wrong! Wrong! !rong! Wrong!
20:44:28< bbraun> most things check $EDITOR, few things check $VISUAL
20:44:37 * dmacks nods at bbraun 
20:44:43< newmanbe_> I don't think it would care what nobody has set as $EDITOR.
20:44:54 * vasi goes to rewrite the dep-checking routine
20:45:02< vasi> dmacks, TheSin seems to be alive
20:45:18< vasi> he says he's going to work on the Shlibs bug(s?) this weekend
20:45:25< akh> Yay!
20:45:33< dmacks> VISUAL seems more for text-display things that want to launch an editor (less, for example).
20:45:37< dmacks> vasi: yay!
20:46:29< dmacks> bbraun: Last time finkmirrors was up for renewal, he forgot to renew it; while it was lapsed, all hell broke loose for users.
20:46:31< vasi> woot, some ppl are on the mentoring list already...
20:46:35< vasi> now i gotta pick one :-)
20:47:07< dmacks> Lemme know when you find a sucker^Wtrainee for gnome.
20:47:50< vasi> dmacks, add some gnome packages to the Orphaned page
20:49:09< dmacks> jfm seems gung-ho for taking mozilla:)
20:49:17< akh> And evolution?
20:49:21< dmacks> Ayup
20:49:32< vasi> ooh dmacks, it looks like there's a problem with build-as-nobody on 10.3
20:49:36< dmacks> eh?
20:49:53< bbraun> dmacks: alright, that sounds good, although I'd expect all hell to break loose again, at least until it is reregistered and setup.
20:49:56< vasi> at least it gave some weird errors in phase_install...i think it has to do with the chown'ing
20:50:27< vasi> hmmm....it appears that 'chown -h' on 10.3 doesn't work...but 'chown' without the -h does what chown is supposed to do with -h?
20:50:36< vasi> dmacks, can you check it out further? :-)
20:50:54< dmacks> bbraun: since it's registered "to fink, dmalloc as contact", can't other parts of "fink inc" make the changes with dotster without going through dmalloc?
20:51:08< vasi> we can release a new fink-mirrors real-soon-now if we must
20:51:22< bbraun> dmacks: possibly.  might be able to contact the registrar and explain the situation.
20:51:36< bbraun> dmacks: although someone "in charge" should probably do it.
20:51:45< dmacks> I've used CVS HEAD on 10.3 ever since we added -h, no errors/warnings. I'd love to see what I'mm diagnosing before I start trying to reproduce "some problem someone had doing something":)
20:51:59< pogma> dmacks: they'll email dmalloc and get no response, then they'll do what all good bureaucrats do best ... nothing
20:51:59< dmacks> cirdan's got the paperwork I believe
20:52:11< dmacks> pogma: Excellent!
20:52:13< dmacks> :(
20:55:31< vasi> dmacks, i'll try to reproduce
20:55:49< akh> heh
20:56:02< akh> (looks funny out of context)
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20:57:04< vasi> ha
20:57:13< dmacks> heh
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21:03:10< akh> grr...can't build anything that needs libgettext3-dev
21:04:34-!- asari [n=ASARI@gw.ecc.u-tokyo.ac.jp] has joined #Fink
21:04:38< dmacks> ?
21:05:08< dmacks> akh: Building something big that uses the old one?
21:05:31< akh> oo.org
21:05:38< vasi> crazy
21:05:41< akh> About as big as it gets.
21:05:54< dmacks> Get 'em to upgrade to getttext3 when next they upgrade something else in it?
21:06:25< lisppaste> vasi pasted "chown sucks" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/11658
21:07:13< akh> dmacks: Good idea.
21:07:26< akh> Except that I don't want to have to rebuild it _again_.
21:07:38< dmacks> Right. Hence "when next..."
21:08:08< vasi> dmacks, i think akh means "ever"
21:08:16< dmacks> heh:)
21:08:31< akh> Twice in a week this time.
21:08:43< akh> (so that takes up the whole week)
21:08:47< dmacks> Wow, you must have a fast processor!
21:10:46< akh> Nope--dog slow.
21:10:51< akh> Dual G4/450
21:11:11< dmacks> I'm so confused by chown
21:11:30< akh> Anybody remember what version of gcc came with XCode1.5 + the november2004 update?
21:11:35< dmacks> Even fileutils' vs apple's behave differently!
21:11:55< RangerAway> just a sec
21:11:58< akh> i.e. is version 1666 pre- or post- update?
21:12:03< vasi> we should definitely use apple's chown
21:12:06< dmacks> 1671
21:12:10< vasi> even if it sucks
21:12:19< RangerAway> gcc (GCC) 3.3 20030304 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 1671)
21:12:32< akh> OK--my recollection was right.
21:12:41< vasi> argh...i like perl, but it has this tendency to make me try to write code as concisely as possible
21:12:45< vasi> no matter how ugly it gets
21:13:14< vasi> it's like "ooh, i bet i can do that in one line"..."bad brain! behave!"
21:13:22< pogma> does it work if you do find() and then chown each file/dir/link ?
21:13:48< dmacks> I guess we could 'find -not -type l'
21:13:56< vasi> pogma, i suspect that 'chown -h' on 10.4 and 'chown' on 10.3 do the same thing...not sure?
21:14:20< pogma> lamancha is 10.3, one sec
21:14:33 * dmacks is on 10.3 here also.
21:14:44< vasi> do symlinks have separate ownership from their targets on 10.3?
21:14:50< dmacks> no
21:15:06< vasi> ah, well that explains why chown is different
21:15:10< dmacks> Well they do but they appear unchangeable.
21:15:43< dmacks> With or without -h, the target changes the link does not.
21:15:57< pogma> what file system?
21:16:06< dmacks> HFS+
21:16:18< pogma> aren't links implemented differently on different fs's ?
21:16:24< dmacks> I'mm sure they are.
21:16:35< pogma> so it may be different results on UFS
21:16:49< dmacks> (and fileutils's chown says "Function not implemented" when called on a symlink)
21:17:14< vasi> meh
21:17:45< akh> we've got miga-sign
21:17:48< vasi> hmm, if somebody's .info says something silly like 'Depends: foo | bar (> 5.0-1), iggy'
21:18:00< vasi> one > instead of >>
21:18:07< vasi> what should we consider that to be?
21:18:14< dmacks> vasi: A mistake.
21:18:16< akh> oops--nm:  /me answered really old mail.
21:18:36< vasi> dmacks, yes
21:18:52< vasi> but if it's already on the user's system, i have to count it as *something* for the sake of checking deps
21:19:04< dmacks> It was declared a while back not to try to second-guess that typo.
21:19:28< vasi> yeah, well yell at max, sdl-image still has that problem
21:19:35< dmacks> heh
21:19:37< vasi> (i already mailed him)
21:20:01< vasi> it really confuses the dep-checking algorithm
21:21:11< dmacks> Max was one of the declarers that we shouldn't support non-"dpkg standard" comparison operators:)
21:22:26< dmacks> (fink validate catches it)
21:24:25< dmacks> Okay, so I guess we need a Command::chowname_r() huh?
21:26:10< vasi> or just 'chown_hR'
21:26:14< vasi> or something like that :-)
21:26:50< vasi> hmm, we might want to set up a Fink::Config method for current_user....that for now just returns 'root' or 0
21:27:04< vasi> cuz eventually someone's gonna try user-mode Fink again :-)
21:27:09< dmacks> It's gotta begin chowname not chown (perl's chown operates on uids not names)
21:27:33< vasi> ah
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21:33:09< vasi> dmacks, if i have a hash-ref, do you know of an easy way to hash the whole struct into a unique string value?
21:33:27< dmacks> Storable::freeze ?
21:33:44< RangerAway> join?
21:33:46< vasi> hmm, not sure if it maintains order
21:33:50< RangerAway> unless you need ot it to be repeatab
21:33:52< RangerAway> le
21:34:07< vasi> yeah, same struct should give the same hash
21:35:03< vasi> ah cool, Storable::canonical
21:35:31< RangerAway> my $string = join('', map { $_ => $hash{$_} } sort keys %hash);
21:41:18< dmacks> Y'all please play with Command:chowname_hr
21:48:32< vasi> RR, what if i have the hash { foo => 'bar' }, and the hash { fo => 'o', ba => 'r' } ?
21:48:42< vasi> just to be anal
21:49:01< RangerAway> join ('#'
21:49:11< RangerAway> or whatever you want to do to make it unique  :)
21:50:27< dmacks> freeze [map {$_=>$hash{$_}}, sort keys %hash]
21:50:54< RangerAway> dmacks: why bother freezing it then?
21:50:56< RangerAway> er, mapping?
21:51:02< RangerAway> just freeze \%hash
21:51:39< dmacks> RangerAway: That's what I originally proposed:) Then vasi wanted consistent ordering.
21:52:14< RangerAway> just saying...
21:52:26< vasi> dmacks, you can set $Storable::canonical = 1
21:52:26< dmacks> ya
21:52:37< RangerAway> I was giving the non-storable option
21:53:05< dmacks> vasi: Ayup, /me had never heard of that option before this discussion:)
21:55:35< RangerAway> 'night all, really away now  :)
21:55:41< RangerAway> well, not *now*, but ... now
21:55:42< dmacks> Suuuuuure you are
21:55:42< RangerAway> damn
21:55:46< RangerAway> you know what I mean
21:55:56< dmacks> But do *you* know what you mean?
21:56:25< RangerAway> (not here)
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23:40:05< gecko2> moin
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23:40:58< dmacks> alo
23:54:05< gecko2> breakfasttime
23:54:10< dmacks> yum!
23:54:16< gecko2> =)
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