--- Log opened Fri Sep 09 00:00:11 2005 --- Day changed Fri Sep 09 2005 00:00:11< dmacks> OTOH, if you have "other" packages higher in tcl's search path, there's not much fink's packages can do about it. 00:01:16< beniamino> tcltk/Jeffrey Whitaker 00:01:45< dmacks> Hmmm...he is usually inactive for a long time, then has a burst of activity now and then. 00:02:07< beniamino> the tcltk port explicitly adds DP/OS X tcl dirs to the search path 00:02:08< dmacks> (that is his current email address...did you get no response) 00:02:28< beniamino> yep, no response 00:04:37 * dmacks reads .patch 00:05:10< dmacks> So Fink's tcl is unable to use packages from apple or dports? 00:06:34< beniamino> afaict, yes. 00:07:11< beniamino> at least.. one of them makes it fail. i moved as much DP stuff as i could find out of the way, and it still failed 00:07:59< beniamino> then i got bored and edited the fink package 00:09:11< dmacks> Please email fink-devel...make sure to mention how long it was that maintainer didn't respond. It's an easy fix (as you saw), but I don't know enough tcl to say why jswhit did that or whether there's some other problem here (meaning your solution is overkill and removes useful functionality) 00:10:46< beniamino> ok will do... i might as well recompile and check whether the apple packages make it sick, or only DP. while i'm thinking about it 00:10:56< dmacks> Yeah 00:22:55-!- dmacks [n=dmacks@pdpc/supporter/active/dmacks] has quit ["leaving"] 00:32:09-!- cirdan [n=chris@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has quit ["leaving"] 00:59:34-!- Melian [n=blootbot@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 01:11:28-!- shres [n=sshreyas@202.144.95.244] has joined #fink 01:23:25-!- sid77 [n=sid77@host-84-222-61-124.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #fink 01:30:07-!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has quit ["Common Lisp IRC library - http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-irc"] 01:30:15-!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has joined #fink 01:41:36-!- mbroeken [n=broeken@hst32165.phys.uu.nl] has joined #fink 01:43:05< beniamino> what fink package provides libz? 01:46:32-!- Melian [n=blootbot@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #fink 01:47:55-!- cirdan [n=chris@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #fink 01:48:09< cirdan> !lart Melian 01:48:09 * Melian puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at cirdan 01:48:18< cirdan> Melian: unstable? 01:48:19< Melian> i guess unstable is http://www.finkproject.org/faq/usage-fink.php#unstable , or at http://www.finkproject.org/faq/usage-fink.php#bindist 01:48:39< cirdan> me random 01:48:43< cirdan> Melian: random 01:48:46 * Melian spins the wheel of knowledge and ponders... parse-error... http://fink.sourceforge.net/faq/comp-general.php?phpLang=en#dpkg-parse-error 01:57:36-!- shres [n=sshreyas@202.144.95.244] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 01:58:37-!- shres [n=sshreyas@202.144.95.244] has joined #fink 03:12:48-!- beniamino [n=ben@adsl-64-164-10-189.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 03:17:36< mbroeken> ma 03:43:25-!- Clef [n=Clef@69-167-25-3.stmnca.adelphia.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:58:05-!- Nikodemus [n=alex@stgt-d9bda683.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #Fink 03:58:15< Nikodemus> Greetings 03:59:53 * Nikodemus has a problem with the binary installer 0.8.0 : It complains my HD wouldn't support symlinks (which is not true :-) 04:02:40-!- Nikodemus is now known as Nicodemus 04:05:29-!- Clef [n=Clef@69-167-25-3.stmnca.adelphia.net] has joined #fink 04:58:19-!- vasi [n=vasi@modemcable133.147-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #fink 05:07:23< Nicodemus> oops ... the problem IS in the faq .. 05:08:16< Nicodemus> but why is that? installer usually asks for identification to an administrator itself 05:30:05-!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has quit ["Common Lisp IRC library - http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-irc"] 05:30:13-!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has joined #fink 05:44:18-!- sid77 [n=sid77@host-84-222-61-124.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has quit ["http://slackintosh.workaround.ch/"] 06:19:08< newmanbe> Silly RangerAway, man pages don't go in %p/share/doc. 06:22:13-!- hennker [i=flullup@dsl-082-083-247-233.arcor-ip.net] has joined #fink 06:23:01< newmanbe> That is quite a patch file though. 07:04:12-!- akh [n=akhansen@ldx3.psfc.mit.edu] has joined #fink 07:15:18< akh> Nice--oo.org has been compiling for about ten hours. 07:15:54 * akh wouldn't want to build it on Panther where the linker is slower. 07:17:39< akh> (and good morning to anybody who's around) 07:18:14-!- sid77 [n=sid77@host-84-222-61-124.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #fink 07:19:13< vasi> hi akh 07:19:23< akh> hi 07:19:31< vasi> good morning to you too :-) 07:20:14< akh> So what's "use Fink;" ? 07:24:31< akh> oops--oo.org has been building for _14_ hours (forgot that the buildlock timestamp is GMT) 07:24:58< akh> Even better. (or worse if it bombs, I guess) 07:26:59-!- sid77 [n=sid77@host-84-222-61-124.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has quit ["http://slackintosh.workaround.ch/"] 07:30:04< akh> hmmm...."fink-core member chris@zubrzycki.org bouncing - removed" 07:30:38< Nicodemus> so ... good bye 07:30:44-!- Nicodemus [n=alex@stgt-d9bda683.pool.mediaWays.net] has left #Fink [] 07:34:14< akh> oops--/me accidentally tried to send an off topic message to gnome-core last night. 07:34:26< akh> Good thing I used an unsubscribed account to do it. ;-) 07:36:42-!- geewz [n=gregreed@ppp122-142.static.internode.on.net] has joined #fink 07:37:08< akh> mmm---GNOME 2.12 packages...*gurgle* 07:37:25< akh> That might shut the lusers up. 07:37:47< akh> Other than the "where' 07:38:01< akh> oops "where's evolution 2.2?" people. 07:43:17 * akh cannot partake of them, however, as gettext-dev can't be swapped out until oo.org is done. 07:45:41-!- cirdan [n=chris@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has quit ["leaving"] 07:46:08-!- cirdan [n=chris@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #fink 07:47:39< vasi> akh, 'use' is the perl way to use libraries 07:47:55< akh> Thought it had to be something like that. 07:48:09< vasi> sorta analogous to '#include' in C or '#import' in Java/ObjC 07:48:16< akh> Ah 07:48:37< vasi> so now if you want to write a perl script that does stuff with fink, you can just put 'use Fink;' at the top and you're set 07:48:53< vasi> (used to be much more complicated) 07:49:09< akh> Makes sense. 07:52:53< akh> heh--xcircuit jumped 2 revisions in about as many days. 07:53:41< akh> Makes it hard to justify moving anything to stable. 07:54:18< vasi> yeesh 07:56:51-!- sid77 [n=sid77@host-84-222-61-124.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #fink 07:57:36< akh> The last rev was up for 3ish weeks, so it was OK to move. 07:57:43< akh> (by that metric) 07:59:09< akh> (and worked) 08:00:17-!- geewz [n=gregreed@ppp122-142.static.internode.on.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 08:01:06< cirdan> hey vasi can u also put the vim line in the new files you create? :-) 08:01:39< vasi> cirdan, i personally don't mind if the vim lines go all through fink 08:01:52< vasi> check with dmacks, and if it's ok by him, go crazy 08:02:07< vasi> i use TextWrangler anyhow :-) 08:02:07< cirdan> vasi: i meant could you add them when u do the emacks line 08:02:12< cirdan> :-p 08:02:40< vasi> cirdan, i don't 'do the emacs line', i just copy the boilerplate license and such from an older .pm 08:02:47< cirdan> oh 08:02:49< vasi> so if it's not in the old one, it doesn't get copied 08:03:29< vasi> i'm in the middle of checking out your dist-up branch, you'll be glad to know 08:03:40< vasi> btw, if anybody sees TheSin, yell at him for me 08:03:59< cirdan> what do u want me to yell? 08:04:03< vasi> his Shlibs stuff looks like it might end up the last thing holding up 0.25 08:04:12< cirdan> ok 08:04:20 * cirdan goes to yell real loud... 08:04:29< cirdan> well, when he wakes up 08:04:43< vasi> heh 08:13:36-!- shres [n=sshreyas@202.144.95.244] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:15:47 * akh tries to figure out why cvs-1.12.11 is OK but 1.12.12 breaks. 08:16:32< akh> (though the one reported complaint with the latter will go away in a few weeks when daylight savings time is over) 08:16:47< cirdan> heh 08:16:51< cirdan> did they change DST? 08:17:01< cirdan> i say just get rid of it :-) 08:17:08< cirdan> it's annoying 08:17:34< akh> Apparently 1.12.11 doesn't like timestamps with "D" in their name. 08:17:44< akh> (i.e. middle digit) 08:19:01< akh> But 1.12.12 is nonfunctional on OS X using the same configure params 08:19:26< vasi> weeeeird 08:19:49< akh> Yup. I'm taking a couple of screenlogs, and if I find anything obvious I'll send a diff upstream. 08:20:03< akh> And if _I_ don't I'll post one on fink-devel. 08:20:39< akh> It's a "memory exhausted" error when ssh is used. 08:22:02< cirdan> oh 08:30:35< cirdan> grrr 08:30:43< cirdan> compilier error when building a new kenel :-( 08:34:47< akh> ick 08:35:10 * akh found a suspicious -L/sw/lib here 08:37:38-!- RangerAway is now known as RangerRick 08:38:02< akh> Especially in view of the fact that I don't have any of the *FLAGS vars set. 08:38:40< akh> Silly upstream people. 08:40:54< akh> (maybe--just notice that I put --prefix=/sw in configure) 08:40:59 * akh noticed 08:41:04< cirdan> haha 08:41:12< pogma> :) 08:41:36< pogma> And I just went and downloaded cvs :) 08:41:48< akh> What version? 08:42:05< pogma> the one you're talking about 1.12.12 08:42:16< pogma> to try and reproduce 08:42:22< akh> Heh. 08:42:51< akh> I'll see what I get now with another build attempt--the error is reproducible regardless of the --prefix setting, though. 08:43:18< akh> hmm: checking how to link with libintl... -L/sw/lib -lintl -liconv -Wl,-framework -Wl,CoreFoundation 08:44:30< akh> Whereas our 1.12.11 has checking how to link with libintl... -lintl -liconv 08:44:36-!- sid77 is now known as sid77_ 08:44:49< pogma> with the same gettext? 08:45:18< akh> I guess so: checking where the gettext function comes from... external libintl 08:45:24< akh> (both) 08:45:51< akh> dunno how that would produce a hideous memory error though. 08:47:41< akh> I'll try a more controlled experiment. 08:50:04-!- muesli [n=muesli@mail.muehlhaeuser.de] has quit [Connection timed out] 08:50:40-!- muesli [n=muesli@mail.muehlhaeuser.de] has joined #fink 08:50:42< akh> (i.e. my 1.12.11 build was via fink, and I'll try it by hand instead) 08:51:10-!- ringerc [n=craig@dsl-202-72-144-62.wa.westnet.com.au] has joined #fink 08:51:29< akh> That way the environment is identical. 08:54:20 * akh would love to be able to blame upstream rather than having missed something obvious. 08:55:19< pogma> akh: #3 0x0006af60 in pagealign_xalloc (size=0) at pagealign_alloc.c:184 08:55:47< pogma> seems to be failing to allocate a block of zero length 08:55:51-!- joab [n=joab@c-7168e155.73-1-64736c20.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #fink 08:56:05< akh> That would be bad, yes. 08:56:15< pogma> not fink stuff anywhere in my paths, still fails 08:56:42-!- sid77_ [n=sid77@host-84-222-61-124.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has quit ["http://slackintosh.workaround.ch/"] 08:57:45< akh> Interesting--I wonder why I don't see this on my Linux box. 08:58:30< pogma> different implementation of mmap I betcha 08:58:41< akh> Could be. 08:59:14< akh> Wonder if it's something that can be fixed by a patch... 09:00:14< akh> Guess I'll peruse the mailing lists this weekend and see if anybody else on OS X has seen this. 09:05:52-!- mbroeken [n=broeken@hst32165.phys.uu.nl] has quit [] 09:11:50-!- cirdan [n=chris@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:12:15-!- Melian [n=blootbot@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:17:09-!- geewz [n=gregreed@ppp122-142.static.internode.on.net] has joined #fink 09:23:02-!- jtyler_ [n=jtyler@iphost-64-56-130-194.edm.wiband.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:23:04-!- jtyler__ [n=jtyler@iphost-64-56-130-194.edm.wiband.net] has joined #fink 09:24:27< joab> does anyone know why i keep getting ^[[A when i press the "up" key in some console applications? 09:24:34< joab> in both Terminal.app and xterm 09:25:14< joab> it works in the shell and also in mysql (go to previous entry in history) 09:25:27< akh> What's an example of one that doesn't work? 09:26:18< pogma> akh: the way cvs is trying to use mmap always fails on darwin 09:26:26< joab> akh: hugs for example 09:27:25< akh> joab: It _might_ have something to do with your TERM environment (but I'm not sure)--I'll take a look here. 09:27:38-!- shres [n=sshreyas@59.92.151.9] has joined #fink 09:27:47< joab> akh: also, i've set Terminal.app to switch backspace to delete (or the other way around) and now it does not work in hugs but in all other things i've tried 09:28:12< akh> pogma: so it should be reported as an upstream bug? 09:28:19< joab> akh: TERM is xterm 09:28:27< pogma> akh: yes 09:28:32< akh> (or "as a bug to upstream") ;-) 09:29:46< akh> pogma: Any way to patch around it? 09:30:06-!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has quit ["Common Lisp IRC library - http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-irc"] 09:30:10-!- beniamino [n=ben@adsl-64-164-10-189.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #fink 09:30:12-!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has joined #fink 09:31:36< pogma> akh: they are trying to mmap /dev/zero which does not work on darwin. 09:31:50< lisppaste> pogma pasted "bit of gcc configury" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/11505 09:32:34< akh> Ah 09:32:48< pogma> I suggest that you ensure that HAVE_MMAP is not defined 09:33:04< akh> Sounds good. 09:35:29< akh> Found a #define HAVE_MMAP 1 in the config.log, so that's clearly being set. 09:36:32< akh> It shows up in the 1.12.11 configure log as well, though. 09:37:05< pogma> akh: yeah, but there are probably source code changes between 1.12.11 and 1.12.12 :) 09:37:18< akh> Clearly. :-) 09:39:58< pogma> looks like that file is from gnulib 09:40:01-!- chris01 [n=chris01@84-73-56-45.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #fink 09:40:20< chris01> hi 09:40:38< joab> hello 09:44:47< akh> joab: Up-arrow on hugs works here with TERM=Apple_terminal (on Terminal.app) 09:45:00< akh> sorry: Apple_Terminal 09:45:14< joab> akh: thanks! gonna check it out 09:45:26< akh> ok 09:46:01< joab> same problem again :/ 09:46:11< akh> hmm... 09:46:35< joab> could it be something with the keymap? 09:46:35-!- geewz [n=gregreed@ppp122-142.static.internode.on.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 09:46:38-!- mdmonk-away is now known as mdmonk 09:46:42< joab> it's a swedish one :) 09:47:05< akh> joab: That's possible, I guess. 09:48:11< pogma> akh: I sent a report to bug-gnulib 09:48:23< akh> pogma: Thanks! 09:51:04< joab> akh: what jeycode do you get in xev when you press the up key? 09:52:03< akh> joab: 85 09:52:32< joab> same here... what about the value on the third row, that says keycode? 09:53:06< akh> 134 09:53:17< joab> exactly the same 09:54:20< joab> although... when i run xev from Terminal.app the keypresses don't show up at all. i only get ^[[A in the terminal 09:55:13< akh> Same here. 09:55:29< joab> weird 09:55:58< akh> w00t! pogma's idea gives me the possibility of a working cvs-1.12.12 package. 09:56:16< akh> (builds and runs sans memory errors now) 10:00:51-!- das_ [i=das@sparky.doit.wisc.edu] has quit ["Leaving"] 10:01:34-!- Melian [n=blootbot@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #fink 10:04:24-!- das_ [i=das@sparky.doit.wisc.edu] has joined #fink 10:06:52-!- cianhughes [n=cian@cian.ws] has joined #fink 10:08:04-!- cianhughes [n=cian@cian.ws] has quit [Client Quit] 10:11:14-!- cianhughes [n=cian@cian.ws] has joined #fink 10:11:32-!- joab [n=joab@c-7168e155.73-1-64736c20.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [] 10:16:25-!- Melian [n=blootbot@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has quit ["adios amigos"] 10:16:44< akh> and oo.org goes on... 10:23:18-!- Melian [n=blootbot@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #fink 10:24:11< chris01> vasi: still here? 10:24:16< vasi> yep 10:24:31< vasi> what's up? 10:24:41-!- Melian [n=blootbot@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 10:24:49< chris01> i got the " uninitialized value" thingy again... 10:25:45< vasi> uh oh... 10:25:49< vasi> it's reproducible? 10:25:50< lisppaste> chris01 pasted ""uninitialized value" problem" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/11507 10:26:17< chris01> this is with fink cvs updating to the latest gettext packages 10:27:26< vasi> hmm, ok....can you tell me exactly what you see on those two lines of PkgVersion.pm? 10:27:50< chris01> yup, just a second 10:28:56-!- Melian [n=blootbot@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #fink 10:30:18< lisppaste> chris01 annotated #11507 with "lines around 4514" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/11507#1 10:31:21< lisppaste> chris01 annotated #11507 with "line 4382" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/11507#2 10:32:09< chris01> so, the problem seems to be with the %ENV variable. 10:32:14< chris01> strange 10:32:31< vasi> yeah, like you have something in %ENV set to undef... 10:33:05< vasi> ok, so you can reproduce this error? 10:34:07< vasi> if you can, then put this text just before 4514: 'use Data::Dumper; print Dumper \%env_bak;' 10:34:27< vasi> you can put the same thing in front of 4382, but with \%ENV instead of \%env_bak 10:35:05< chris01> yes, it appear every time i build something. 10:38:09< chris01> vasi: rebuilding now 10:38:41< vasi> so now when it gets to that spot, it'll print out the contents of %ENV (or whatever) 10:39:13< vasi> so find one of those "uninitialized variable" messages and show me the nearby dump 10:39:21< chris01> yup 10:46:37< akh> urg. Why am I going to the trouble to build openoffice.org when NeoOffice/J satisfies my needs? 10:46:53< akh> A--I'm doing it for the users. 10:47:02< akh> (yeah, that's the ticket!) 10:48:58-!- Melian [n=blootbot@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has quit ["adios amigos"] 10:52:38< vasi> chris01, i've gotta go...send me any info you gather, vasi@users.sf.net 10:52:59-!- Melian [n=blootbot@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #fink 10:53:11-!- vasi [n=vasi@modemcable133.147-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has quit ["Client exiting"] 10:53:13< akh> !wb Melian 10:53:14< Melian> Welcome back Melian, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chaos. 10:54:16-!- cirdan [n=chris@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #fink 11:01:40< runelind> hrm, so was gnome-desktop not the right package to compile for gnome? 11:05:57< akh> runelind: Depends. 11:06:50< akh> For rootless X you need "gnome-panel" at a minimum. 11:09:00< runelind> ah 11:09:35< runelind> install0ring 11:10:37< akh> gnome-desktop is mostly just icons. 11:10:45< runelind> heh yeah it looks like it 11:10:55< runelind> will this enable me to run nautilus and the such? 11:17:18< akh> Probably. I'll check the deps. 11:19:29< akh> You can certainly install nautilus if it doesn't show up automatically as a depend. 11:20:09< runelind> well I'm sure this will take forever to install :) 11:20:27< akh> Yeah, but less time than KDE or OO.org. 11:20:44< runelind> I need faster procs :/ 11:20:58< akh> Don't we all? :-) 11:21:52< runelind> but must wait for the mactels 11:22:04< akh> *gasp* 11:22:20< akh> Heresy! 11:22:23< runelind> why? 11:23:00< runelind> if it means faster computers, that's a good thing 11:23:07< akh> Actually I don't know--I was echoing the common opinion from here. 11:23:27< runelind> how much of a rework will it be for fink? 11:23:42< runelind> someone said it already partially works 11:25:04< akh> I believe Fink will support both x86 and PPC when the day comes. 11:25:32< runelind> I wouldn't think it would be that hard to port it over 11:25:52< akh> fink itself doesn't need porting as such, since it's Perl. 11:26:34< runelind> and it seems like we're mostly grabbing generic sources 11:26:47< RangerRick> and most of the softwqare in fink was probably written on linux x86 in the first place 11:27:00< akh> That, too. :-) 11:27:18< RangerRick> so unless we're doing stupid things in the patches, it should be pretty safe 11:27:25 * RangerRick wonders how many people did stuff like: 11:27:28< RangerRick> #ifdef __APPLE__ 11:27:34< RangerRick> #define BIG_ENDIAN 1 11:27:34< RangerRick> or whatever 11:27:57< akh> And don't forget about stupid things in the upstream sources. 11:28:03< akh> (see above) 11:28:06< RangerRick> right 11:28:13< RangerRick> more what I meant 11:28:22< RangerRick> if they're in our patches, the should be easy to find 11:28:23< akh> Either way. 11:28:28< akh> Yup. 11:29:24< akh> So it's mainly a question of what configure flags and Darwin/X86 patching are needed. 11:32:45< runelind> gnome-panel is done 11:32:58< runelind> still no nautilus 11:33:50< runelind> I'll just install it 11:35:16< akh> Right. 11:35:41-!- chris01 [n=chris01@84-73-56-45.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [] 11:37:42< runelind> does the gnome cd burner also do dvd's? 11:38:08< akh> I'm not sure: none of my boxes has a DVD burner so I've not tried. 11:38:19< akh> (and the one I'm on now doesn't even have a CD burner) 11:39:14< runelind> I'll have to add that in 11:39:25< runelind> it would be nice if i could find a replacement for toast 11:39:27< akh> You could just do "bundle-gnome" 11:40:11< runelind> heh ok, well I'll look into that once nautilus has been finished 11:40:30< akh> That'll give you everything you need to run gnome fullscreen, much less rootless. 11:40:43< runelind> hopefully I won't have to compile as many extras as nautilus required quite a few deps 11:41:09< akh> At this point you may not have more than a couple of packages left to satisfy the bundle. 11:46:05-!- ferringb [n=bharring@gentoo/developer/ferringb] has joined #fink 11:57:55< akh> Man, the oo.org build process makes KDE seem easy. 12:01:00< ferringb> heh 12:04:15 * akh can't get over the rolling its own python and mozilla 12:06:01< ferringb> actually... kind of curious about the build process for fink. 12:06:27< akh> The 'fink' package itself? 12:06:34< ferringb> are all fink dpkg's forced to use /sw/* binaries? fex, script that requires perl, is it /sw/usr/binb/perl, /usr/bin/perl, or which perl ? 12:06:49< ferringb> moreso the convention's y'all are following for the pkgs in your repository :) 12:07:35< RangerRick> yes, fink is totally self-contained with the exception of a few things (X11, perl in some cases, etc.) 12:07:35< akh> In general we try to use the builtin stuff when feasible. 12:08:28< akh> And the local fink tree can have any name it wants--unfortunately if it's not "/sw" then the official binaries won't work. 12:08:29< ferringb> RangerRick: how do you castrate autoconf hardcoded defaults then? 12:08:46-!- beniamino_ [n=ben@adsl-64-164-10-189.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #fink 12:08:57< ferringb> RangerRick: danke on the kde ports btw; where rather nice when I was using osx :) 12:09:13< RangerRick> depends on what they're doing 12:09:26-!- beniamino_ [n=ben@adsl-64-164-10-189.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit [Client Quit] 12:09:28< RangerRick> if they're building perl modules, we patch or hand-speicfy 12:09:55< RangerRick> if it's just them calling perl to run some script during the build, who cares which one it uses 12:10:34-!- Murr [n=neeri@A17-202-20-71.apple.com] has joined #fink 12:10:39 * ferringb nods 12:10:57-!- shreyas [n=sshreyas@59.92.130.178] has joined #fink 12:11:00-!- regeya_ [n=shane@adsl-sp3-cdale176.micgi.com] has joined #fink 12:16:28-!- beniamino [n=ben@adsl-64-164-10-189.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:21:02-!- shres [n=sshreyas@59.92.151.9] has quit [Connection timed out] 12:45:34-!- shreyas_ [n=sshreyas@59.92.130.53] has joined #fink 12:47:37-!- shreyas_ [n=sshreyas@59.92.130.53] has quit [Client Quit] 12:51:13-!- drm [n=drm@kitp121.itp.ucsb.edu] has joined #fink 12:51:51< drm> any reports of trouble with gettext or libiconv upgrades? 12:52:04< runelind> we hates the gettext 12:52:06< runelind> it burns us 12:52:21< akh> drm: other than RangerRick's? 12:52:21< drm> melt, witch, melt 12:52:52< drm> akh: you mean the bit about the wrong stuff in libiconv.la? that's been fixed 12:53:36< akh> drm: No--I meant the one about a file moving to a different splitoff. 12:54:09< drm> ah, yeah... turns out that is a bug in the previous version of gettext which i already knew about and fixed in the new version 12:54:17< akh> Right. 12:54:25< drm> (his bug report preceded the actual moving of gettext to unstable) 12:54:41< akh> I've not heard of anything, otherwise. 12:54:46< drm> cool 12:55:03< drm> then i can move on... to pushing fink-0.24.10 to stable! 12:55:03-!- shres [n=sshreyas@59.92.129.29] has joined #fink 12:55:24< drm> but first, a seminar...bbl 12:55:27-!- shreyas [n=sshreyas@59.92.130.178] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:55:47-!- drm [n=drm@kitp121.itp.ucsb.edu] has quit [] 12:56:16< akh> w00t! 12:56:40< akh> And then we can get 0.24.11 which will have the mirrors fixed. 13:03:51-!- rajesh [n=rajesh@nylug/member/rajesh] has joined #fink 13:04:34< rajesh> umm guys, hi. what's the way to remove fink without just a `rm -rf /sw` ? 13:05:11< akh> That's the accepted method. 13:05:54< rajesh> what if there are multiple services running which are from fink packages? 13:05:57< rajesh> bit ugly 13:27:31-!- sid77 [n=sid77@host-84-222-61-124.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #fink 13:30:06-!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has quit ["Common Lisp IRC library - http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-irc"] 13:30:16-!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has joined #fink 13:43:06-!- rajesh_ [n=rajesh@38.112.8.74] has joined #fink 13:54:30-!- sid77 [n=sid77@host-84-222-61-124.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has quit ["http://slackintosh.workaround.ch/"] 14:14:44 * akh notices that drm is making doc changes. 14:15:45< runelind> huh, when I launch nautilus it launches the entire desktop session 14:15:56< runelind> can't I just launch the file manager by itself? 14:16:14< akh> That, I don't know. 14:16:23 * akh is more KDE-oriented. 14:16:57< runelind> ah, it looked like it opened both 14:18:35< runelind> hrm, can't find gnome-bundle in the tree 14:19:57< akh> bundle-gnome ? 14:28:13< runelind> ah yes 14:28:15< runelind> what a stupid name :) 14:28:43< akh> I guess we could have just called it "gnome" 14:28:50< runelind> yeah really ;) 14:28:58< runelind> so much for me just needing to satisfy a few deps 14:29:03< runelind> this will be a big install 14:29:29< akh> Unfortunately, yes. 14:29:39< akh> You could just install the missing deps, of course. 14:30:36-!- shres [n=sshreyas@59.92.129.29] has quit [Connection timed out] 14:30:51< akh> mmm...fink-0.24.10 in stable. 14:31:53< akh> Time for a new bindist. 14:32:08< runelind> well it should recognize that I have a few of the packages installed and just install the rest, right? 14:32:41< akh> That's right. 14:33:10< runelind> ok, would've been a sad day for me otherwise ;p 14:33:29< akh> Reminds me--I need to update my GNOME and KDE dep tree graphs. 14:33:52< akh> Especially the latter. 14:34:07 * akh contemplates uploading them to the wiki. 14:34:57< runelind> wiki wiki wild wild west 14:36:00-!- ringerc [n=craig@dsl-202-72-144-62.wa.westnet.com.au] has quit ["zzzzzzz *snort* zzzzzzz"] 14:36:44< akh> mmmm....fugly 14:37:23< akh> No more alternative dependency lines, though. 14:40:09-!- rajesh_ [n=rajesh@38.112.8.74] has quit ["leaving"] 14:40:11-!- rajesh_ [n=rajesh@38.112.8.74] has joined #fink 14:41:01< rajesh_> are all the .debs stored in /sw? 14:41:16< rajesh_> hmm , i could just `find` it myself 14:43:33< akh> You could--You can also do ls -l /sw/fink/debs to look for the ones you've built on your machine (this directory stores symbolic links) 14:43:47< akh> And the rest are in /sw/var/cache/apt/archives 14:52:14-!- rajesh [n=rajesh@nylug/member/rajesh] has quit ["leaving"] 14:59:41-!- rajesh_ [n=rajesh@38.112.8.74] has quit ["leaving"] 15:04:11-!- bbraun [n=bbraun@opendarwin/core/bbraun] has joined #fink 15:10:12-!- cirdan [n=chris@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:10:13-!- Melian [n=blootbot@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has quit ["adios amigos"] 15:13:18-!- kbroderick [n=kbroderi@rich-dsl6-236.greenmountainaccess.net] has joined #fink 15:15:48< bbraun> so I take it the "new" (2002) fad is to use the os zlib instead of a fink provided one? 15:16:17< akh> I guess so 15:17:08< bbraun> where possible, is it preferred to list library deps for fink libraries, or os libraries? It seems to me, if fink offers it, fink packages should be using it rather than the os one. 15:17:32< bbraun> zlib being an exception since fink doesn't seem to provide one. 15:18:56< akh> I'm not sure--I think people are inclined to push towards using system-provided stuff. 15:19:14< akh> Hence the move away from Fink's openssl. 15:19:18< bbraun> yuck. I've yelled at the dp folks for doing that, since you'll eventually have problems. 15:19:36< bbraun> alright, I'll just use the system provided ones then. 15:19:38< akh> For openssl the benefits outweigh the problems. 15:19:51< akh> Binary redistribution, for example. 15:20:01< bbraun> only for gpl'd things, afaik 15:20:06< akh> Right. 15:20:42< akh> However, I can't speak for everybody's preferences in this matter. 15:20:56< bbraun> if it's a matter of preference, I won't worry about it. 15:21:11-!- Melian [n=blootbot@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #fink 15:21:15< bbraun> I'd demand using fink provided ones if I were in charge though. =) 15:21:56< akh> Part of the issue is maintainership. 15:22:09< bbraun> vs. stuff just not working. 15:22:29< akh> Yeah. 15:22:44< bbraun> anyway, you've answered my question, which helps me out for the moment. thanks! 15:23:05< akh> Sure--but don't be surprised if somebody else says something different. ;-) 15:23:13< akh> It's kind of a gray area as of yet. 15:23:34-!- akh [n=akhansen@ldx3.psfc.mit.edu] has quit [""heading out""] 15:23:45-!- cirdan [n=chris@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #fink 15:25:36< gopherd> Welcome back cirdan and Melian! 15:27:37-!- Gavrila [n=Gavrila@213-140-16-182.fastres.net] has joined #fink 15:27:54< Gavrila> hi there, is it normal to have all gnome dependencies broken in stable? 15:28:48< newmanbe> No. 15:29:01< newmanbe> Though I can't say I've touched the GNOME or KDE packages in a long time. 15:29:55< Gavrila> newmanbe, I've installed fink and finkcommander... and I haven't been able to install any gnome package (like gnome-terminal for exapmle) 15:30:26< newmanbe> It might be easier to install the bundle package for GNOME. 15:31:13-!- dmacks [n=dmacks@203-137.dialup.cloud9.net] has joined #fink 15:31:27< gopherd> Welcome back dmacks! 15:31:44< dmacks> danke newmanbe^Wgopherd :) 15:31:54< newmanbe> Hehe. 15:32:27< dmacks> Whoa, Cameloparadalis is stable? 15:32:33< dmacks> sweet 15:33:15< dmacks> Gavrila: I can't see your monitor from here...please tell us exactly what you did and exactly what happened...complete commands and error messages. 15:33:19< dmacks> !listppaste 15:33:26< dmacks> !lisppaste 15:33:26< Melian> You can use lisppaste to paste errors at http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink , instead of flooding the channel. 15:36:37< Gavrila> ok 15:37:01< Gavrila> steps were easy: I installed fink some days ago and all seemed smooth 15:37:19< Gavrila> I encounter problems only when trying to insall gnome things 15:37:27< Gavrila> wait while I paste the errors I get 15:38:50< lisppaste> Gavrila pasted "Problem" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/11518 15:39:29-!- newmanbe is now known as portbot 15:39:39-!- portbot is now known as xarbot 15:40:08-!- xarbot is now known as newmanbe 15:41:18< dmacks> Can you apt-get install gtk+2 ? 15:42:05< dmacks> (the binary for gtk+2-2.4.9-8 has been available for many months) 15:46:28< lisppaste> Gavrila pasted "apt-get -s install gtk+2" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/11519 15:46:38< Gavrila> dmacks, 15:47:55< dmacks> Ahhhh...x11 is the root of the problem. 15:48:57< Gavrila> dmacks, is it my fault? I mean should I have read something I didn't? 15:49:11< Gavrila> (did i respect the grammar with thhe tenses??) 15:49:24< dmacks> You didn't install Apple's X11, and fink's x11 pkgs aren't available as binary. 15:49:54< dmacks> Install the X11User.pkg from your Tiger installer disk 15:51:07< Gavrila> dmacks, thanks for your help 15:51:15< dmacks> You're welcome:) 15:51:56< Gavrila> would some of you reccomend me a better terminal than Terminal? 15:52:04 * dmacks wonders why neither the apt error message nor the URLs in it don't mention this situation. 15:52:14< Gavrila> is aterm wrth a try? 15:52:19< Gavrila> worth 15:52:47< dmacks> Dunno...to be honest, I'm happy with xterm. 15:55:34< bbraun> xterm is the one true terminal emulator 15:59:41-!- Bart_ [n=hideout@p5080E399.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #fink 15:59:43< Bart_> anybody here 15:59:54< Bart_> is there a way to add a route to my local os x 10.4.2 client 15:59:57< Bart_> in a gui? 16:00:48< newmanbe> Hi. 16:00:55-!- Bart_ [n=hideout@p5080E399.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 16:00:56< newmanbe> I have no idea what you mean. 16:00:56< bbraun> does Terminal.app count as a gui? 16:01:07< newmanbe> bbraun: Does xterm? 16:01:27< bbraun> bbraun: totally, but I'm not the one with the GUI requirement. 16:01:28< newmanbe> Heck, anything curses could be called a GUI. 16:02:00< bbraun> Bart_: I believe the server product has something for that. 16:02:03< newmanbe> Talking to yourself now are you? 16:02:10< bbraun> yeah 16:02:11< newmanbe> bbraun: Bart_ left. 16:02:25< bbraun> in caase he searches you logs, of course. 16:02:33< newmanbe> Hehe, 16:02:50< newmanbe> I got a semi-working search for my Gopher server. 16:03:09< newmanbe> I messed up a little on sed in getting it to be a functioning directory listing. 16:03:16< dmacks> What, it found 1994? 16:03:44< newmanbe> gopher://igneous-rock.homeunix.net/0/search?1994 16:03:50< newmanbe> You'll just have to find out. ;) 16:05:01< newmanbe> It should find it now that you've said that... 16:05:09< dmacks> heh 16:06:07< newmanbe> The vim in Fink is super-slow in starting. 16:07:28-!- kbroderick [n=kbroderi@rich-dsl6-236.greenmountainaccess.net] has quit [] 16:12:58< dmacks> http://cgi.ebay.com/Original-Painting-by-Pablo-Clay-Picasso_W0QQitemZ7349580537QQcategoryZ20135QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem 16:18:29-!- sid77 [n=sid77@host-84-222-61-124.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #fink 16:22:04-!- RLD_osx [n=rldempse@66-190-76-181.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com] has quit ["Mac OS X - - a better alternative to winblow$"] 16:26:29-!- dmacks [n=dmacks@pdpc/supporter/active/dmacks] has quit ["leaving"] 16:28:26-!- regeya_ [n=shane@adsl-sp3-cdale176.micgi.com] has left #fink ["Leaving"] 16:48:09-!- RLD_osx [n=rldempse@66-190-76-181.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com] has joined #fink 16:55:39-!- ferringb_ [n=bharring@CPE-65-26-255-237.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #fink 16:55:57-!- ferringb_ [n=bharring@CPE-65-26-255-237.wi.res.rr.com] has left #fink [] 16:56:14-!- ferringb [n=bharring@gentoo/developer/ferringb] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 17:08:45-!- cianhughes [n=cian@cian.ws] has quit [Client Quit] 17:14:20-!- Gavrila [n=Gavrila@213-140-16-182.fastres.net] has left #fink ["Leaving"] 17:26:07-!- hennker_ [i=flullup@dsl-082-083-252-021.arcor-ip.net] has joined #fink 17:30:07-!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has quit ["Common Lisp IRC library - http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-irc"] 17:30:13-!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has joined #fink 17:42:08-!- hennker [i=flullup@dsl-082-083-247-233.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:43:28-!- sid77 [n=sid77@host-84-222-61-124.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has quit ["http://slackintosh.workaround.ch/"] 17:49:41-!- Bart_ [n=hideout@p5080E399.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #fink 17:49:46< Bart_> anybody on ;) 17:49:48< Bart_> howdy all 17:50:45< newmanbe> I'm frustrated. 17:51:00< newmanbe> Gopher woes. 17:51:05< newmanbe> But I'm blaming sed. --- Log opened Fri Sep 09 18:12:23 2005 18:14:34-!- gopherd_ [n=irclogge@tor/session/x-3f7f43a7052005bb] has joined #fink 18:14:34-!- Topic for #fink: Have a question? 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Check the FAQ: http://fink.sf.net/faq || Latest Installers: 0.6.4 (10.2), 0.7.2 (10.3), 0.8.0 (10.4) || Fink 0.24.10: Cameloparadalis 18:47:30-!- Topic set by akh [] [Thu Aug 25 10:00:59 2005] 18:47:30[Users #fink] 18:47:30[ Airo ] [ Clef ] [ gopherd_ ] [ KraMer ] [ newmanbe ] [ swix_ ] 18:47:30[ armenb ] [ cls ] [ gzl ] [ lisppaste] [ newmanbe_ ] [ usataway] 18:47:30[ Bart_ ] [ cmeme ] [ hennker_ ] [ mcp ] [ notFeanor ] [ vasi ] 18:47:30[ bbraun ] [ das_ ] [ htodd ] [ mdmonk ] [ pnorman ] [ zorton ] 18:47:30[ BleedAway] [ eno-away] [ jack- ] [ mee_bot ] [ pogma ] 18:47:30[ brendan ] [ Erik____] [ JosephSpiros] [ Melian ] [ RangerRick] 18:47:30[ cirdan ] [ gecko2 ] [ jtyler__ ] [ muesli ] [ RLD_osx ] 18:47:30[ citizen_0] [ gopherd ] [ kito ] [ Murr ] [ runelind ] 18:47:30-!- Irssi: #fink: Total of 44 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 44 normal] 18:47:32-!- Channel #fink created Sun Aug 3 17:57:20 2003 18:47:51-!- Irssi: Join to #fink was synced in 22 secs 18:57:03-!- newmanbe [n=newmanbe@tor/session/x-58a7d8436fafa774] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:57:03-!- gopherd [n=irclogge@tor/session/x-3f7f43a7052005bb] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:57:17-!- You're now known as gopherd 19:00:04-!- newmanbe_ is now known as newmanbe 19:16:15-!- zizban [n=zizban@24-52-0-219.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] has joined #fink 19:21:17< cirdan> brb 19:21:19-!- cirdan [n=chris@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has quit ["leaving"] 19:21:42-!- Melian [n=blootbot@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has quit ["adios amigos"] 19:29:49-!- cirdan [n=chris@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #fink 19:30:00-!- Melian [n=blootbot@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #fink 19:44:15-!- akh [n=akhansen@68-118-244-23.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #fink 19:51:56< akh> 24 hours building oo.org...my poor computer... 19:52:37< newmanbe> You need distcc or something. :) 19:52:50< newmanbe> Did you use the ccache-default package? 19:52:54< akh> Yup. 19:53:00< akh> It's a brand new build though. 19:53:06< akh> So not much was cached. 19:54:00< Bart_> is there a way under 10.4.2 to set a route example for 10.26.34.0/24 that i get via my fbsd in the lan 19:54:13< Bart_> that i can put that things in my enviroment 19:54:18< Bart_> you know what i mean 19:54:31< Bart_> that i change to airport-home example and have that routing seetings? 19:55:26< akh> I don't know, myself--I use automatic routing on my home network. 19:56:03< akh> (which is Mac-less, right now) 19:56:03< Bart_> iīm normaly too but i have now a vpn connection 19:56:35< akh> Ah. 19:56:42< Bart_> i try to route in macosx for 10.26.34.0/24 via my fbsd box 19:57:18< Bart_> and a route for 192.168.1.0/24 via my fbsd 19:57:35< Bart_> or how can i add only once time only for check that routings 19:57:35< Bart_> ? 19:57:40< Bart_> and delete when i donīt like they 19:57:50< Bart_> any idear akh want can i do from command line 19:57:57< Bart_> first i search a way over gui 19:58:00< Bart_> but no chance i thing 19:58:30< akh> All I know from the commandline is "scselect", which only lets you pick from the network settings that are set up via System Preferences. 19:59:11< vasi> akh, never knew about that command 19:59:30< akh> vasi: I think Feanor was the one who clued me into it. 20:01:14< akh> Saves me that valuable minute of not having to open System Preferences. ;-) 20:01:43< zizban> heh 20:02:08 * akh prepares to commit pkg description files for the latest cvs release to my exp dir for testing. 20:02:34 * akh isn't sure the patch that was needed won't have side effects. 20:02:38< zizban> chris-turkels-power-mac-g4:~ zizban$ scselect 20:02:38< zizban> Defined sets include: (* == current set) 20:02:38< zizban> * 0 (Automatic) 20:02:44< zizban> wow, thats minimal 20:02:50< akh> Yup 20:04:00< akh> Ok--oo.org better not fail now. I'm vested. 20:06:20< Bart_> i think there is now way 20:06:34< Bart_> to set routing things in enviorment preferences 20:07:19 * akh wishes my powerbook were out of the shop so that i could help. 20:07:21< zizban> your vested? 20:07:51 * newmanbe wishes he *had* a PowerBook. 20:07:56< akh> Well, it's been building for > 24 hours now, so now I want it to finish. 20:08:06-!- Melian [n=blootbot@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:08:09< akh> newmanbe: Technically it's not mine as such. 20:08:11< zizban> ah 20:08:35< akh> If the package fails early I can send a note to the maintainer and write it off. 20:08:38< newmanbe> A PowerBook without AirPort Extreme to be more precise. 20:08:58< akh> ? Why no Airport Extreme? 20:09:01-!- cirdan [n=chris@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:09:06< newmanbe> So then I could use GNU. :) 20:09:23< zizban> GNU what? 20:09:25< akh> Ah. That whole silly open source thing. ;-) 20:09:28< zizban> GNU Hurd? 20:09:41< Bart_> osx:/Users/hideout root# route add -net 10.26.34.0/24 10.0.1.2 20:09:41< Bart_> add net 10.26.34.0: gateway 10.0.1.2 20:09:42< newmanbe> GNU Hurd is barely functional. 20:09:47< Bart_> so now i set that route 20:09:51-!- Melian [n=blootbot@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #fink 20:09:57< newmanbe> !lart Apple 20:09:58 * Melian judo chops Apple 20:10:04< akh> newmanbe: (which reminds me--I need to find a non-Win faxmodem for my x86 box) 20:10:23-!- cirdan [n=chris@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #fink 20:10:23< newmanbe> I have one that I took from an older computer. 20:10:24< akh> Apparently Debian still can't actuate this one. 20:10:30 * zizban has 30 of them at work--not sure if their win modems 20:10:34< cirdan> not cool... 20:10:36< newmanbe> It has an extra cable that is supposed to connect to the mother board. 20:10:41< newmanbe> Don't know where that oes though. 20:10:45< akh> My old modems are like 28.8 or slower. 20:10:45< zizban> ah 20:10:49< cirdan> you can buy a winmodem driver 20:10:55< newmanbe> Buy? 20:11:01< cirdan> kinda sucks, but it works with most 20:11:02< zizban> well its just a pc card with a driver cd 20:11:06< cirdan> yeah 20:11:17< cirdan> for linux 20:11:21< zizban> if you want one akh, it can be arranged 20:11:27< cirdan> dunno about os x 20:11:32< akh> Or I can reboot to Windows to fax. 20:11:40< akh> Irritating, but... 20:11:41< cirdan> eww 20:11:45< zizban> yuck 20:11:55< cirdan> akh: vmware... 20:11:58< akh> $ 20:12:02< cirdan> jsut fire it up in a window 20:12:09< cirdan> no, just keep getting a demo license 20:12:19< akh> heh--good idea. 20:12:22< cirdan> you can 20:12:42< zizban> edonkey=wmware bliss 20:12:43< zizban> ooops I didn't meant to say that aloud ;) 20:12:43< cirdan> but the linux driver is only like $10 20:12:46< cirdan> zizban: gift :-p 20:12:52< zizban> heh\ 20:13:00< akh> Ah--I've paid more than that for Linux software. 20:13:10< akh> I could live with that. 20:13:20< cirdan> akh: yeah, and free updates for a year 20:13:29< cirdan> but it's tied to that modem 20:13:58< cirdan> ok... 20:14:04< akh> I don't think I'm going to be buying a wintel box for more than a year. 20:14:18< akh> Gotta save up for that Mac/X86 platform. 20:14:30< cirdan> can anyone tell me why device-mapper is doing a double-free on kernel 2.6.13? :-( 20:14:34< cirdan> it makes me sad 20:14:43< newmanbe> !comfort cirdan 20:14:43< Melian> There, there, cirdan. It's OK. I'm here for you. 20:14:44< Bart_> fuck why does my routing not work ;) 20:14:49< zizban> heh 20:14:58< newmanbe> Whoa! You're not Mr. Wacko-Elitist Potty Mouth 20:15:00< cirdan> /kick newmanbe 20:15:02< cirdan> oops 20:15:06< Bart_> osx:/Users/hideout root# route add -net 10.26.34.0/24 10.0.1.2 20:15:10< akh> cirdan: Couldn't say--I just got 2.6.12 last night. 20:16:03< cirdan> akh: i gotta roll my own :-( 20:16:18< cirdan> i use a bad-block relocation feature of evms 20:16:24< cirdan> pretty cool, really 20:16:35 * akh hasn't rolled my own in years. 20:16:56< cirdan> make-kpkg makes it easy... 20:17:02< cirdan> akh: i always use 1 feature that requires it 20:17:06< cirdan> first it was xfs 20:17:08< cirdan> :-) 20:17:19< cirdan> now that's been in the kernel for a while, it's evms 20:17:26< newmanbe> akh: You smoked pot! 20:17:31 * akh remembers the pre-module days. 20:17:36< newmanbe> :-p 20:17:47< akh> newmanbe: I never said that. 20:18:00< newmanbe> 20:16:35 * akh hasn't rolled my own in years. <-- 8) 20:18:29 * akh doesn't see the word "pot" in that. 20:18:33 * zizban first used Linux at 2.2.10 20:18:48< newmanbe> akh: Read between the lines. ;) 20:19:03 * akh pleads the fifth. ;-) mmm...fifth 20:19:22 * cirdan hats SIGABRT 20:19:27< cirdan> hates even 20:19:29 * zizban wishes he could use this to blackmail a job at MIT 20:20:10< akh> Well, considering that _I_ don't have a job with MIT, good luck. ;-) 20:20:11 * newmanbe pleads Article One. 20:20:37< zizban> that's why I was sad. akh 20:20:40< akh> heh 20:20:53 * akh can't remember my first kernel. 20:21:00< akh> It was 1.x.y, though. 20:21:04< zizban> wow 20:21:42-!- citizen_0 [n=user@va-sterling-u1-c5c-a-146.chvlva.adelphia.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 20:21:46< akh> 10 years ago or thereabouts. 20:21:52< zizban> yup 20:22:18< akh> Back in those days printing was a nightmare. 20:22:41< akh> And I had to do my dialup connection over SLIP manually. 20:22:50< akh> (uphill both ways) 20:22:53< zizban> heh 20:23:08< zizban> your WM was twm and you loved it 20:23:28< akh> Yup. 20:23:52 * akh remembers my first distro with Windowmaker. That rocked. 20:24:05< cirdan> mkLinux! 20:24:07< cirdan> w00t! 20:24:13< akh> That was my WM of choice until I got addicted to KDE. 20:24:14< cirdan> my first unix was BSDi 20:24:34< zizban> mine was aix, after Linux 20:24:39< zizban> aix+cde=pain 20:24:41< akh> I guess techically the first one I used was NextStep. 20:24:50< vasi> SunOS! 20:25:07< zizban> Netscape 3.something was the browser 20:25:07-!- beniamino_ [n=ben@adsl-64-164-10-189.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #fink 20:25:16< akh> browser? 20:25:22< vasi> hehe 20:25:28< zizban> heh 20:25:31< akh> In my day there wasn't any "browser". You used Gopher and you loved it. 20:25:35< vasi> i think we're getting too newfangled for akh :-P 20:25:40< cirdan> heh 20:25:47 * cirdan sits akh next to newmanbe 20:25:51< akh> heh 20:26:11< vasi> don't start about gopher again...mcgill used to be *obsessed* with the thing 20:26:39< akh> The UM Gopher client was in the suite of tools that the University of Wisconsin put out when I started grad school. 20:26:42< zizban> heh 20:26:49< akh> (pre Netscape 1) 20:26:51 * cirdan rememvers gopher 20:27:32< akh> newmanbe, isn't RangerRick supposed to be making a UM Gopher client package? 20:28:40-!- pookey [n=pookey@xian.ncuk.net] has joined #fink 20:28:47< akh> OMG--the same version of fink in stable and unstable. That can't be! 20:29:03< pookey> hi all... I have OS X, and fink has installed QT for me, but all letters are appearing as squares in QT applications (i just created a really simple one to test). Any ideas why that migth be? 20:29:33< akh> Bad ownership of ~/.qt ? 20:29:54< akh> (i.e. root, not your user) 20:29:55< zizban> sounds like it 20:30:43< pookey> I just removed ~/.qt, and it still appears the same 20:31:35< pookey> ar.. I wonder if somethings removed the font it needs 20:32:27-!- bkn [n=bkn@c-66-30-12-210.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #fink 20:33:07< akh> Maybe. 20:33:17< pookey> I used something along the lines off monolingual at some point (http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/7758) 20:34:35< pookey> now... I wonder how to revese that damage if that's what I have done... 20:35:06< vasi> i don't think monolingual would have affected things... 20:35:16< pookey> any other ideaS? 20:35:19< vasi> do other X11 programs work ok? 20:35:27< pookey> well, xterm is showing text ok 20:35:36< pookey> I can't think what else to try... 20:35:37< vasi> how about GTK stuff? 20:35:58< vasi> do apps print any messages to the console when you run them? 20:36:37< pookey> nope... I need to install a GTK app I think... 20:37:19< pookey> any suggestoins as to a tiny program to test with? 20:37:30< vasi> what's your LANG? 20:37:45< vasi> um, i think gtk+2 comes with some test programs, not sure 20:38:10< pookey> LANG is not set 20:38:33< vasi> can 20:38:36< vasi> 't think of much 20:38:40< vasi> :-( 20:39:40< pookey> how do I sets my mirrors? half the ones I have configured are dead it would seem 20:40:07< bkn> hi, are there diffs for the packages in fink? i mean for the .patch files so i can what has changed from update to update. 20:40:36< pookey> arr.. fink configure 20:40:53< akh> bkn: There are diffs on the fink-commits mailing list. 20:40:59< akh> You can browse it via gmane. 20:41:26< akh> (subscribing to it is masochistic. ;-) ) 20:41:58< bkn> akh, heheh ;), thank you! i'll check gmane. 20:46:44< pookey> vasi: when I ssh to my dekstop with -X, and export apps, things appear fine 20:47:02< akh> bkn: The longer ones may get cut off. There's also a CVS browser interface. 20:47:24< vasi> i subscribe :-) 20:47:41< bkn> akh, ahh the CVS browser may be easier to read, esp if its color coded diffs. 20:47:44< zizban> your twisted 20:47:46< vasi> pookey, good to know...but i still have no idea why that could hppane :-/ 20:47:56< pookey> vasi: ok, thanks anyway 20:48:11< bkn> where is the cvs interface? 20:48:17 * cirdan sibscribes too 20:48:19< cirdan> sub 20:48:25< bkn> through source forge? 20:48:26< cirdan> and reads the mail 20:48:36< beniamino_> pookey: sudo fc-cache 20:49:20< pookey> beniamino_: well, that fixed it :) 20:49:28< pookey> beniamino_: what did that do? 20:49:40< akh> bkn: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/fink/dists/ 20:50:35 * akh is "subscribed" but on nomail. 20:50:35< akh> (otherwise my commits would need moderation ;-) ) 20:51:03< akh> pookey: It set up your X11 fonts. 20:51:13< pookey> wow, qt designer is so much faster under OS X then it is on my linux box. 20:51:38< cirdan> akh: nuh-uh 20:51:46< pookey> and now I have that working, I'm going to sleep. thanks beniamino_ and everyone else :) 20:59:14-!- zizban [n=zizban@24-52-0-219.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] has quit [] 21:05:59-!- Melian [n=blootbot@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has quit ["adios amigos"] 21:05:59-!- cirdan [n=chris@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:11:12-!- geewz [n=gregreed@ppp122-142.static.internode.on.net] has joined #fink 21:14:11-!- hennker_ [i=flullup@dsl-082-083-252-021.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["leaving"] 21:17:37< newmanbe> akh: He did make it. 21:18:26< akh> newmanbe: Yeah? 21:18:36< akh> What's it called? 21:18:41< newmanbe> gopher 21:18:50< newmanbe> It's only on his #(&)& website. 21:19:07< newmanbe> http://ranger.blablah/misc/gopher.info and gopher.patch 21:19:13< akh> ah 21:21:41< newmanbe> Where he called it a client for a depreciated protocol. 21:22:06-!- mcp [n=hightowe@wolk-project.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:22:23-!- mcp [n=hightowe@wolk-project.de] has joined #fink 21:28:11-!- bkn [n=bkn@c-66-30-12-210.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:29:38< akh> wacko-potty-mouth-elitist. :-D 21:29:51< akh> (in no particular order) 21:30:08-!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has quit ["Common Lisp IRC library - http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-irc"] 21:30:15-!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has joined #fink 21:43:00-!- akh [n=akhansen@68-118-244-23.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:46:03-!- Melian [n=blootbot@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #fink 21:48:45< newmanbe> Woot! 21:49:03< newmanbe> My Gopher server has searching fully working! 21:49:14< newmanbe> gopher://igneous-rock.homeunix.net/7/search 21:55:22-!- Murr [n=neeri@A17-202-20-71.apple.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:55:49-!- drm [n=drm@ip68-108-245-119.sb.sd.cox.net] has joined #fink 22:58:16< vasi> drm, i saw you moved 0.24.* to stable 22:58:21< vasi> glad we got that done :-) 23:00:10< drm> yup 23:00:41< RangerRick> newmanbe: I put it up there for you to add your email address to the Maintainer line and put it in Fink 23:00:49< RangerRick> like I said, I'd help make it, but I'm not going to maintain it :) 23:02:49< RangerRick> (and c'mon, man, that info file is funny!) 23:02:57< RangerRick> http://ranger.befunk.com/misc/gopher.info 23:02:59 * RangerRick grins 23:07:29< drm> vasi: i dunno what schedule you guys are thinking for for 0.25.x release, but i would say there is no hurry...i'm gonna work on a 0.24.11 which has the "fink dist-upgrade" stuff, to be ready for the changeover to the 10.4 tree 23:08:02< vasi> i'd like to get 0.25.x out kinda soonish, just so we can get some of the cool new features to devels 23:08:46< drm> well, if this weren't a factor, when would you release? 23:09:15< vasi> dmacks and i haven't exactly planned it out yet or anything...but if you look at our blockers list, there's not much left 23:09:32-!- RangerRick is now known as RangerAway 23:09:34< vasi> only 3 medium-sized issues left 23:09:55< vasi> 1. dmacks is working on buildlock cleanup (could be delayed to 0.26) 23:10:02< drm> ok...well, if you are ready before i get a 0.24.11 out, let's discuss before you release 23:10:09< vasi> 2. we have to figure out Module::Build 23:10:22< vasi> 3. TheSin has to get his act together and fix the major bugs in Shlibs 23:10:46< vasi> if i don't hear from him soon, we may have to consider Shlibs unsupported for the 0.25.x series :-/ 23:11:03< vasi> i'd like to hear your plans for dist-upgrade 23:11:43< drm> well, the plans aren't completely set yet...i need to look at cirdan's code 23:11:46< drm> but i might redo it 23:12:59< vasi> yeah, i'm just starting to look at cirdan's stuff 23:13:24< vasi> but it's not an issue of the code so much as an idea of what we want to happen 23:13:48< vasi> ie: what should a dist-upgrade DO? 23:18:52< drm> oh, its got to change you over to the 10.4 tree 23:19:11< drm> people will continue to use 10.4-transitional until they run "fink dist-upgrade" 23:19:50< vasi> brb 23:19:54< drm> its gotta be designed to that it will also work for future tree-changes (and 23:20:04< drm> maybe also for people upgrading from 10.3) 23:44:04< drm> rb? 23:51:30-!- geewz [n=gregreed@ppp122-142.static.internode.on.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:51:35-!- shres [n=sshreyas@59.92.132.89] has joined #fink --- Log closed Sat Sep 10 00:00:23 2005 .