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06:08:00< Bart--> howdy..
06:08:33< Bart--> is it possible to start fink install $package 2 times
06:08:37< Bart--> in 2 terminals?
06:08:38< newmanbe> I'm okay.
06:08:52< newmanbe> No, not in recent versions.
06:09:15< Bart--> newmanbe but it worked
06:09:42< newmanbe> There is a buildlock for the actual building part.
06:09:42< Bart--> i install in one terminal .. "fink install dnstracer" in the other window i start 5 sec. later "fink install wget"
06:09:45< Bart--> hm
06:10:01< newmanbe> Oh, two different packages? You can do taht.
06:10:04< newmanbe> s/taht/that/
06:10:40< Bart--> yeah
06:10:42< Bart--> i did it
06:10:49< Bart--> or how you mean
06:10:54< Bart--> you mean its ok ?
06:11:13< newmanbe> If they are not the same package, yes.
06:11:48< Bart--> ok
06:11:49< Bart--> i understand
06:11:50< newmanbe> It would yell at you eventually if you installed wget in both terminals.
06:11:59< Bart--> ahh i understand
06:12:00< Bart--> k
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06:13:24< Bart--> one more question i have under my freebsd box in fluxbox something like Sloppy Focus in x.org i have it allready worked in terminal.app that i go with the mouse over the terminal and it goes active.. is it possible in x11 under 10.4.2 ?
06:13:29< Bart--> i use the x11 from apple?
06:14:36< cirdan> odd...i've gotten like no list traffic all weekend
06:14:46< cirdan> wonder why
06:15:49< newmanbe> Because it's the weekend. A 'holiday' weekend at that.
06:16:00< cirdan> not even commits
06:16:06< newmanbe> Oh.
06:16:24< newmanbe> That is odd, mww did have a commit to DarwinPorts. ;)
06:16:40< cirdan> !lart newmanbe 
06:16:41 * Melian rm -rf's newmanbe
06:17:05< newmanbe> >
06:17:09< newmanbe> Melian: That doesn't work.
06:17:11< newmanbe> 8)
06:17:36< cirdan> crap...
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06:19:54< cirdan> :-9
06:19:55< cirdan> :-(
06:19:59< cirdan> work...
06:20:19< newmanbe> Yeah, I know. :-(
06:20:29< newmanbe> Yeah, I know. :,(
06:21:54 * newmanbe wacks the public radio guest politician on the radio and goes to give a pro-terrorist speech at University Wisconsin-Madison.
07:03:11< gecko2> gecko@oldmatt:~ $ fink cleanup -h <-- that command should not need sudo
07:07:52< Bart--> gecko2 what do that command?
07:07:56< newmanbe> Oh, that's were I put the code for the trojan.
07:07:57< Bart--> clean the sources?
07:08:00< newmanbe> I mean, yes it does.
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07:13:21< gopherd> Welcome back akh!
07:14:03< akh> But I was just on 11 hours ago...
07:14:19< akh> Hardly a momentous occasion.  ;-)
07:14:28< newmanbe> Oh, okay then.
07:14:32< newmanbe> s/gopherd/httpd/
07:14:42< akh> heh
07:17:52< akh> hmm---wonder why the gst-plugins postinst and prerm scripts are throwing errors?
07:18:11< akh> That _would- probably explain why I can't get amarok to work.
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07:20:49-!- Topic for #fink: Have a question? Check the FAQ: http://fink.sf.net/faq || Latest Installers: 0.6.4 (10.2), 0.7.2 (10.3), 0.8.0 (10.4) || Fink 0.24.10: Cameloparadalis
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07:21:10< akh> clones?
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07:30:36< RangerAway> erk, really?  got the output, akh?
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07:59:10< vasi> any Panther users around?
08:00:32< akh> vasi: I can be, after I'm done with a build.
08:00:59< vasi> it seems there's a number of users who'd really like to see the new unison moved to 10.3
08:01:36< vasi> i'd appreciate if you could test it (and commit it if it works)
08:01:36< akh> Ah--yeah, I saw that thread--I was even thinking about checking the Panther compatibility.
08:01:48< akh> Sure.
08:02:04 * akh is an avid Unison user.
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08:19:05< chris01> hi vasi
08:19:15< vasi> hi chris01
08:19:46< chris01> i  am not sure if i told you yet: apt-ftparchive works fine for me on 10.3. I think it could be moved to stable.
08:23:23< akh> vasi: umm--there's a bit of a problem with the Aqua Unison.app (OS-independent)
08:23:50< vasi> chris, yes i got your message, thanks :-)
08:24:12< vasi> akh, how's that?
08:24:17< akh> There's an option to "install command line tool", which it does, but in /usr/bin.
08:28:22< akh> Unfortunately, I can't think of a way to accommodate this functionality within Fink in any case--this generates an executable that isn't tracked by dpkg regardless of any hacking that might be done to have it create %/p/bin/unison instead.
08:29:03< akh> (and for that matter, I don't know how the latter would be implemented--maybe it could be hacked to do $HOME/bin/unison)
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08:29:27< RangerRick> vasi: I've got a 10.4 box where I can do build-tests
08:29:29< vasi> ah yes, i just assumed "users won't be silly enough to try that"
08:29:43< RangerRick> and I should be able to vnc to it with a port-forward
08:29:48< RangerRick> if you need help  :)
08:29:59< vasi> :-)
08:30:05< akh> vasi:  And on what basis did you assume that.  ;-)
08:30:30< vasi> um, on the basis that the maintainer is new to fink and has already done a lot of work to get this accepted :-)
08:30:44< akh> I'll suggest to the new maintainer that a note be placed in the description then.
08:30:53< vasi> sure
08:31:33< akh> At least it doesn't overwrite anything system-installed.
08:32:12< RangerRick> or patch out that option  :)
08:33:25< akh> That'd be the best (in terms of policy compliance) option, yes.
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08:34:59< akh> Now, once gst-plugins finishes rebuilding, I'll see if the postinst still throws errors, then reboot and see if our unison package works on Panther.
08:35:15< RangerRick> yeah, if postinst fails, please let me know, it Works For Me
08:35:22< RangerRick> (and was a minor version update...)
08:36:12< akh> It may not have been working here for a while.  I purged the old packages before my rebuild.
08:37:11< RangerRick> looks like my boo update is what broke monodevelop
08:38:00< akh> It's a closed system. ;-)
08:38:20< akh> crap:  /sw/var/lib/dpkg/info/gst-plugins.postinst: line 11:  3869 Trace/BPT trap          gst-register --gst-mask=0 >/dev/null 2>&1
08:38:27< RangerRick> dang
08:38:39< RangerRick> can you edit the postinst to put the output somewhere else instead then?
08:38:40< RangerRick> er
08:38:44< RangerRick> duh, or just run gst-register manually
08:38:45< RangerRick> hah
08:38:51< RangerRick> dont' mind me, it's early yet
08:39:55< akh> I also get an error for gst-compprep too.  Looks like my system doesn't like the redirection.
08:40:19< RangerRick> can you gdb those commands?
08:42:03< akh> Well, I found something anyway.  When I sudoed I got our old friend.
08:42:06< akh> dyld: lazy symbol binding failed: Symbol not found: _EVP_idea_cbc
08:42:21< RangerRick> ick
08:43:39< akh> That's seemingly what throws the error.
08:44:48< RangerRick> is it a plugin pulling that, or the main code though?  any way you could get a backtrace?
08:45:10< RangerRick> that's openssl
08:45:17< RangerRick> libcrypto
08:45:27< vasi> at least there's a known fix
08:45:36< RangerRick> vasi: huh?
08:45:42< akh> vasi: Nope.  I have that set.
08:45:43< RangerRick> oh, is this the same 10.4.3 thing?
08:45:55< RangerRick> apple's libcrypto doesn't have idea built in
08:45:59< RangerRick> fink's does
08:46:26< RangerRick> I bet something got switched to system-ssl, and something else needs to builddepend on it
08:46:28< vasi> akh, even with a fallback path it breaks?
08:46:44< akh> Yeah.  lemme try something, though.
08:46:45< vasi> damn
08:47:38< RangerRick> looks like buildconflicts is broken  :(
08:47:49< lisppaste> RangerRick pasted "buildconflicts not doing it's job" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/11418
08:47:52< akh> I think the gnomevfs plugin is what's throwing the error.
08:47:54< pogma> hasn't it always been?
08:48:03< RangerRick> pogma: er?  it's worked in the past
08:48:33< pogma> nah, drm had to rebuild the bindist version of gnucash two releases in a row because of buildconflicts failing to work
08:48:42< vasi> RR, buildconflicts has never worked properly
08:48:53< RangerRick> I've seen it remove things before, can't say when  :)
08:49:05< vasi> it only find one conflict per run of fink, or something weird like that
08:49:07< pogma> yeah, it works until you need it :)
08:49:16< vasi> tbh, i've never closely examined the code
08:49:16< RangerRick> ah, I see
08:49:32< RangerRick> so if there's a depend, and then a conflict, it bombs, that makes sense
08:49:36< RangerRick> well, not sense, but is understandable  :)
08:51:06< akh> RangerRick: My error is strange--gst-register works when I run as a user, but throws the error at gnomevfs when I run as root.
08:51:21< RangerRick> err
08:51:27< vasi> generally, it's better to modify configure/Makefile to ignore stuff you want ignored
08:51:33< vasi> rather than specifying a BuildConflict
08:52:13< akh> vasi: Yeah--but some evil packages just won't be ignored that easily.
08:52:41< vasi> akh, i know...somebody file a bug against BuildConflicts
08:53:15< vasi> for BDO packages, a good solution would be to do something like the dep-swapping check
08:53:54< vasi> where immediately before a build, we look for present BuildConflicts and temporarily remove them for just that build
08:54:16< vasi> (but then there's all kinds of ugliness if a build fails, yadda yadda yadda
08:54:49< akh> Aha!  I figured it out!
08:54:55< akh> (my problem)
08:55:42< pogma> I'm sure your shrink will be unhappy at the loss of fees
08:55:53< chris01> vasi: yesterday I had a build failure with building of autoconf. There is a suspicious "Use of uninitialized value...". Should you want to look at it: http://paste.lisp.org/display/11390
08:56:01< chris01> this was on 10.4
08:56:11< chris01> i don't see this on 10.3
08:56:17< akh> Heh.  One of the analysis tools I use sets DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH.
08:57:03< akh> chris01: It worked for me.
08:57:16< RangerRick> chris01: what fink version are you using?
08:57:23< vasi> chris01, make sure you're using the most recent fink from HEAD
08:57:27< vasi> and do a full index
08:57:31< vasi> (fink index -f)
08:57:55< chris01> this was with the latest cvs fink as of yesterday (when i pasted)
08:58:15< chris01> vasi: the actual problem went away after I updated and reindexed.
08:58:21< vasi> a bug a week or so ago caused your index to get corrupted
08:58:26< vasi> sorry about that
08:58:28< chris01> But the uninitialized thing remained
08:58:30< RangerRick> doesn't an install/inject do an index -f though?
08:58:39< vasi> inject does, yes
08:58:43< chris01> vasi: no problem. Just thought I would mention it.
08:59:01< vasi> but many people have learned by now that usually just copying the *.pm files is much quicker than an inject
08:59:05< vasi> and so some people do that
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08:59:43< chris01> vasi: i always use inject
09:00:03< vasi> sometime after 0.25 is released though, an inject will *NOT* reindex if you don't need it
09:00:16< vasi> chris, really...hmm
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09:01:12< vasi> chris01, well if you see it again be sure to tell me
09:03:04< akh> grr--it wasn't DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH...
09:08:06< RangerRick> I still think it could b something with a package that moved to system-openssl-dev
09:08:07< RangerRick> be
09:08:23< RangerRick> gdb it and we can see what specifically is croaking
09:08:42< akh> Possibly:  though this is the canonical GTK borkage message that we've been getting.
09:09:19< chris01> vasi: ok, i will inform you.
09:10:41< akh> Program received signal SIGTRAP, Trace/breakpoint trap.
09:10:42< akh> 0x8fe0100c in __dyld__dyld_start ()
09:10:55< RangerRick> bt?
09:11:10< RangerRick> if it's gnome-vfs then it probably is the same borkage
09:11:33< akh> bt didn't give me much more than that.
09:11:55< akh> I'll try a rebuild after having removed gnome-vfs*
09:14:54< akh> (-ssl)
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09:16:21< akh> grr...stupid buildlock
09:16:33< akh> Or rather, build conflict.
09:17:03< akh> The build conflict got removed, libgettext3-dev got swapped in, and then the build-conflict got installed again. 
09:17:19< akh> libcdparanoia0-dev
09:18:06< zizban> glory, glory paranoi-a!
09:18:13< RangerRick> I'm gonna try to patch that out, I think
09:18:20< RangerRick> and update it to the newer shout and mikmod libs
09:19:19 * akh will hope that gnome-vfs rather than gnome-vfs-ssl does the trick--can't say I'm too hopeful though...
09:20:18< akh> (vfs2)
09:22:02< akh> Or maybe 10.4.3 will finally come out and make this moot.
09:24:20< RangerRick> you not running the 10.4.3 seed yet/
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09:26:14< akh> RangerRick: Nope.
09:26:56< akh> Garden-variety 10.4.2
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09:32:07 * akh tears a new one on yet another person with an "unsubscribe" message on the main list.
09:36:08< RangerRick> haha, gstreamer released their new dev series.  "The GStreamer team is petrified to announce new releases of GStreamer modules in the 0.9.x development release series."
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09:37:07< vasi> lol
09:37:17< RangerRick> we so need to do that for fink releases
09:37:32< RangerRick> "The fink time is horrified to release the new 0.24.11 release of the fink package manager."
09:39:24< RangerRick> team, I mean
09:42:10< zizban> Fear our release!
09:42:37< pogma> I released a libtool "I am embarrassed to release..."
09:42:54< pogma> Got me a "you have my condolences" email from rms
09:43:01< RangerRick> hehe
09:43:46< zizban> heh
09:44:04< baba> translation time
09:44:17< RangerRick> http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/documentation/plugins.html -- this is awesome, look at their new convention for releasing plugins
09:44:29< pogma> Up 'til that point I had been convinced that the "congratulations" emails sent from rms-at-gnu.org were automated
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09:47:42< zizban> no? personal emails from rms?
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09:49:16< pogma> so he says
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09:57:00< zizban> whatta guy
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09:59:34< pogma> I have to agree (part of the requirement to becoming a maintainer of anything on gnu.org)
10:03:17< pogma> oops, forgot the :-)
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10:24:49< akh> hmm--replacing gnome-vfs2-ssl* with gnome-vfs2* did the trick. 
10:27:39< zizban> you rock
10:28:54< akh> No, GNOME sucks.
10:31:01< cirdan> heh
10:31:29< cirdan> morning
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10:32:46< zizban> gnome rocks now that I figure out how to customize it to my needs
10:33:00< akh> cirdan: Morning
10:33:21< zizban> morning cirdan
10:44:53< runelind> did anyone have any revelations in their sleep about what (process:9190): gringotts-CRITICAL **: The process is setuid root, but I can't lock memory paging
10:44:56< runelind> means?
10:45:30< RangerRick> no clue
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10:57:08< runelind> it compiled fine, just won't run :(
10:57:20< runelind> trying to port an application over to fink
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10:59:00< sid77> there weren't an issue with os x and setuid root programs?
10:59:12< runelind> sid77: I remember there being a security fix for it
10:59:20< sid77> sort of
10:59:31< sid77> I read something on /.
10:59:40< sid77> but long time ago
11:00:29< runelind> 10.3.9 addressed insecure suid
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11:04:28< sid77> here's the story: http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/18/186227&tid=172&tid=179&tid=3
11:05:06< sid77> it says that no setuid scripts can be run
11:06:30< sid77> back to boring java programming :|
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11:10:29< runelind> can I change it to not be setuid root
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11:12:49< akh> Is there a configure option to do that?
11:14:26< zizban> can't you chmod the whole thing?
11:21:02< zizban> muahahaha the boss has left and I'm alone in the building until 1:30
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11:25:27< cirdan> lemme know if anyone uses the new autoconf 1.7, 1.9 and cdrtools
11:26:48< zizban> sure will
11:27:07< cirdan> (translates: test and report!) :-)
11:27:26< RangerRick> te...what?  what's that?
11:27:40< RangerRick> I've used the 1.7, it worked fine for me
11:27:41< cirdan> well, fake it at least, reammy
11:27:54< cirdan> really
11:28:03< zizban> Okay I'm looking at a spar4e quantum fireball here but I have no clue how many gigs it is
11:28:13< runelind> not many :)
11:28:18< cirdan> .7
11:28:20< cirdan> ;-)
11:28:51< zizban> it dosn't say but the western digital one has it printed right on it
11:29:23< runelind> sometimes you can tell from the model number
11:29:35< cirdan> yeah, actuaclly usually u can
11:29:38< cirdan> just google it
11:29:49< zizban> good idea
11:30:33< zizban> that worked. Thanks
11:30:59< runelind> yup yup
11:31:06< runelind> oh well, I guess I'll abandon gringotts for now :/
11:31:27< cirdan> RangerRick: feel like checking my branch? i feel like just committting it to HEAD :-)
11:31:47 * cirdan is using it himself
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11:36:57< RangerRick> what's it do?
11:38:03< cirdan> redoes the osx/darwin version checking and adds dist-upgrade
11:38:21< RangerRick> phear
11:38:27< cirdan> then we can make the 10.4 tree ;-)
11:38:29< RangerRick> I can give it a shot
11:38:44< cirdan> unless you do a dist-upgrade, there is no noticeable difference
11:39:51< cirdan> RangerRick: which is good :-)
11:40:26< cirdan> basically change you're distribution line to not ~/10.4/ and it will stop you from building new packages
11:40:49< RangerRick> 10.4?  or 10.4-transitional
11:40:54 * RangerRick has done nothing with a pure 10.4 tree
11:41:05< cirdan> right now it just matches the current os x version
11:41:28< cirdan> so if your dist doesn't start with 10.4, it'll whine
11:41:30< RangerRick> what I mean is, what effect will being in 10.4-transitional have on it?
11:41:42< cirdan> it'll work fine
11:42:16< cirdan> after the 10.4 tree is released, it'll tell the user that 10.4 is available and they should do a dist-upgrade to upgrade to it :-)
11:42:55< cirdan> but that code hasn't been written, because there has been no discussion on the sequence of tasks it should perform
11:43:09< cirdan> and some of the code I have n oidea how to insert :-)
11:43:27< cirdan> oh, /me mailed -core about the bug tracker
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13:00:53 * akh is glad to be running Tiger again after "Pantherizing" for a while.
13:05:32 * RangerRick pantherized his G4/800 and has has laptop tigerized
13:05:45< RangerRick> I'm amazed at what a speed boost you get out software raid under OSX
13:05:46< RangerRick> the G4
13:06:02< RangerRick> the G4 is actually as snappy as tiger (on a laptop drive) compiling
13:12:59< akh> Nice.
13:13:13 * cirdan can't use sw raid, only 1 drive
13:13:17< cirdan> not much point :-)
13:13:22< akh> Yah
13:14:26 * akh could benefit from it--but I think I want a bigger second drive than just 30 Gigs.
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14:41:06< cirdan> hey dmacks 
14:41:10< cirdan> !seen vasi
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14:41:17< dmacks> hiya
14:41:21< cirdan> vasi: wake up
14:41:21< cirdan> :-p
14:41:40< cirdan> dmacks: do u remember the alt location of the debbugs page that you redesigned?
14:41:47< cirdan> if so, could you reply on -core? :-)
14:41:58< cirdan> it's a slow day there
14:42:09< cirdan> debbugs got a nice facelift, can't wait to update mine
14:42:10< cirdan> :-)
14:43:39< dmacks> Is fink.sf.net/bugs/index2.en.php what you're thinking of?
14:44:08< cirdan> maybe
14:44:41< dmacks> Well then *maybe* I'll respond. Come on, man...work with me here:)
14:44:51< cirdan> yes
14:44:56< cirdan> that's it :-)
14:45:07< cirdan> i tried index2.en.php
14:46:26< akh> Write it down on the wiki
14:46:50 * cirdan doesn't do 'wikis'
14:46:51< cirdan> :-)
14:47:03< dmacks> ...and cirdan wonders why he keeps losing information:)
14:47:09< akh> Then don't.  It doesn't really matter to me.
14:47:59< cirdan> ;-)
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14:49:58< dmacks> (oops)
14:52:39< akh> 'Tis but a minor blip
14:53:35< cirdan> heh
14:53:36< cirdan> bugx
14:56:48< akh> hmm...wonder if we've found an X.org -> Apple's X11 _backwards_ compatibility bug.
14:56:56< dmacks> (/me accidentally control-S'ed the xterm itself...no way to recover:(
14:57:09< akh> oops
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15:04:00< akh> Time for "fink rebuild-dependson foo":  rebuild all packages that depend on foo
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15:04:34< RangerRick> hah
15:04:34< akh> That'd allow x11 regresses.
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15:04:44< RangerRick> but what about dependsondependson foo?
15:04:53< akh> And be horribly painful.
15:05:43< dmacks> Why don't we "just" convince Apple to switch to xorg and keep up with current versions?
15:05:55< akh> dmacks: Because that would take longer.
15:06:03< akh> And be even more painful.
15:06:31 * akh notes the non-appearance of 10.4.3 even after our complaints about the linker.
15:06:58< dmacks> Yabut it'd also be a pain for apple, so it'd redistribute the pain more equitably.
15:07:35< akh> True.
15:08:12< akh> Plus the pain for the users who update only the SDK and not the User package (or vice versa)
15:08:28< akh> (initially, anyway)
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15:08:52< akh> Though that would get transferred back to us.
15:09:30< akh> I'm hoping it's just this package and a FAQ entry will cover it.
15:09:56< gecko2> hm, i got g77 but on the configure of libiconv can not find it
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15:20:15< dmacks> gecko2: So libiconv checks for g77 then crashes if it can't find it (even though libiconv isn't written in fortran)?
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15:25:07< gopherd> lol, I got an e-mail from someone saying how they liked the logs.
15:25:40< gopherd> At five past midnight Central time, a script runs that fixes permissions issues, and they got the error that happens before it is fixed.
15:25:45 * dmacks tries building libiconv with g77 installed.
15:26:01< dmacks> heh:)
15:26:25< dmacks> Maybe it's the same guy who keeps harassing me about web pdb.
15:29:20< newmanbe1> Ben something or other.
15:29:29< newmanbe1> Has a @opendarwin.org e-mail address.
15:29:33< gecko2> dmacks: seems like it works
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15:29:45 * gecko2 linked g77 to /usr/bin =)
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15:29:53< gecko2> just for a try
15:30:14< dmacks> Ahhh, that'd do Bad Things:) So there's no problem to deal with here?
15:31:45< gecko2> dmacks: no, no, no crash
15:31:55< dmacks> okay
15:31:56< gecko2> i simply can't find it
15:32:17< gecko2> it*
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16:07:29< runelind> is there an excel-like application in koffice?
16:09:27< runelind> or in kde in general
16:09:34< newmanbe> Probably.
16:10:01< newmanbe> It wouldn't be KWord or KPresent.
16:10:16< runelind> I thought it was kchart
16:10:41< runelind> oh look, I can install it by itself
16:10:53< runelind> lesee if this is what I need
16:13:36< RangerRick> runelind: kspread
16:14:52< newmanbe> "Is there an Excel-like application [for curses]?" ;)
16:15:27< RangerRick> newmanbe: visicalc in a dos emu?
16:15:33< newmanbe> Hehe.
16:15:40< runelind> RangerRick: ok building it
16:15:49< runelind> have you used it?
16:15:52< newmanbe> Actually don't need an Excel-like application, for curses or otherwise.
16:16:06< RangerRick> runelind: a little
16:16:10< RangerRick> it runs  :)
16:16:10< newmanbe> runelind: He used everything but what makes it seg fault. ;)
16:16:19< runelind> is it everything you hoped for and more?
16:16:21< newmanbe> Yeah, you said that about Kopete too.
16:16:26< runelind> I just need something that can add and subtract
16:16:48< RangerRick> newmanbe: I don't check them every release, but I just checked all of koffice for 1.4.2  :)
16:16:53< RangerRick> er, 1.4.1
16:16:54< RangerRick> or whatever the hell version it is
16:16:57< RangerRick> er
16:17:00< RangerRick> the first 1.4 one I actually released
16:18:24< runelind> kspread seems to be pretty good
16:18:31< runelind> from the review I read
16:18:34< runelind> too bad it doesn't build :)
16:18:58< RangerRick> lisppaste: url
16:18:59< lisppaste> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink and enter your paste.
16:19:36< runelind> I think I got it figured out
16:20:13< runelind> yep
16:20:33< runelind> was just broken pieces left over from when I canceled the build of kchart in favor of kspread
16:20:40< runelind> which sounds like a delicious bread condiment
16:21:01< RangerRick> heh
16:21:08< runelind> I start each morning off with a a kspread and jelly sandwich
16:22:08< dmacks> -fno-vegemite
16:23:24< cirdan> -fovaltine
16:34:40< runelind> vegemite is gwoss
16:35:53< newmanbe> Totalee.
16:35:57< newmanbe> Gn8
16:37:14< RangerRick> good nate
16:37:33< newmanbe> My name isn't Nate.
16:37:39< newmanbe> But I'll be good anyway.
16:39:16< RangerRick> you're the one that said "Gn8", I'm just responding in turn  :)
16:46:01< newmanbe> Fine, spoil my fun!
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16:55:40< runelind> koffice will compile in no time!
16:56:11< RangerAway> longest build in KDE I believe
16:56:13< RangerAway> :)
16:56:13< runelind> these are lies I tell myself to keep myself going ;p
16:58:22< newmanbe> sudo chmod -R a+r /usr/local/gopher/irclogs/freenode/fink/2005/09 <-- Anything wrong with the structure and such of that command?
16:58:32< newmanbe> This folder just doesn't want to change its permissions.
16:58:38< newmanbe> And someone was complaining.
16:59:21< newmanbe> I could try in Finder.app, but that would mean the logger wouldn't work for a bit.
17:00:52< dmacks> That chmod looks fine to me.
17:01:29< newmanbe> Hmm.
17:01:42< dmacks> !lart Installer.app for thinking I need to reboot after upgrading Safari.
17:01:43 * Melian nukes Installer.app with a single large nuke for thinking I need to reboot after upgrading Safari.
17:01:54< newmanbe> !lart Safari.app
17:01:55 * Melian pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps Safari.app
17:02:03< newmanbe> !lart Graphical user interface
17:02:04 * Melian whips out a hot clue gun and makes sure that Graphical user interface is stuck to the floor
17:02:13< runelind> just kill the installer :)
17:02:21< runelind> or use softwareupdate
17:02:41< newmanbe> Eew.
17:03:24< dmacks> I have the .pkg already via SneakerNet...softwareupdate can't seem to handle that situation.
17:03:51< newmanbe> Hmm, what could make a folder not want to change its permissions.
17:04:35< newmanbe> Perhaps the fact that it wasn't really a folder...
17:04:40< newmanbe> Wasn't set a+x.
17:09:01 * newmanbe updates his crontab to take that into account.
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17:27:10< newmanbe> !lart irssi for crashing whenever newmanbe tries to load scripts
17:27:10 * Melian shoves a crumpet down irssi's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that? for crashing whenever newmanbe tries to load scripts
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17:59:31< newmanbe> Okay, my gopherspace needs a really cool name...
18:00:01< newmanbe> First one that gives me a name than wins wins that contest!
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18:05:51< emu_> hi i have just installed fink and im trying to do fink install eterm, which is a package listed at the website, however it says eterm not found
18:05:55< emu_> any ideas?
18:06:08< dmacks> !unstable
18:06:09< Melian> i guess unstable is http://www.finkproject.org/faq/usage-fink.php#unstable , or at http://www.finkproject.org/faq/usage-fink.php#bindist
18:08:24< emu_> is that !unstable to me?
18:08:30< dmacks> emu_: Ayup
18:08:34< emu_> ok thanks
18:08:41< emu_> ive never even heard of fink until today
18:08:44< emu_> so bare with me
18:09:30< dmacks> np. There's someone else who has been here often with a similar IRC nick. Welcome to you!
18:09:53< emu_> thanks
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18:40:38< dmacks> RangerRick: Thanks for the gettext->gettext3 upgrade in gst*
18:40:48< RangerRick> dmacks: ayup
18:42:00< newmanbe> It's contagious.
18:42:28< dmacks> It's only contagious if one relies on implicit depends-of-depends.
18:42:32< newmanbe> Soon we'll all be sayin ayup!
18:42:45< dmacks> Oh that:)
18:43:58< RangerRick> ayup
18:47:06< dmacks> How "nice" of PayPal to freeze $30K in Katrina donations.
18:47:47< newmanbe> Ayup.
18:49:24< RangerRick> indeed
18:49:31< RangerRick> I mean, ayup
18:50:00< dmacks> In funner news, google-maps has a "katrina mode".
18:50:16< newmanbe> In seriouser new, Google is evil!
18:50:21< newmanbe> s/new/news/
18:50:57< dmacks> Wassamatter, they don't have a gopher interface?
18:51:11< newmanbe> Well, that too.
18:51:16< newmanbe> But they are a front for the NSA!
18:58:25< newmanbe> So dmacks and RangerRick, what are your entries to the Name newmanbe's Gopherspace contest?
18:59:08< RangerRick> newmanbe: AssMaster!
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18:59:33< newmanbe> Veto.
18:59:45< RangerRick> Mercury
18:59:46< dmacks> lets-go-pher-a-beer.net
18:59:53< RangerRick> that's the name of one of my mechs, playing MegaMek
19:00:09< newmanbe> Hmm, that one's okay.
19:00:45< newmanbe> Though it kind'a clashes with my hostname scheme.
19:00:49< dmacks> Shame liquor.cabi.net no longer exists:(
19:01:22 * RangerRick used to have dolphininatuna.net that might be free again
19:01:24< newmanbe> Hmm, I have two computers playing music and the radio on at the same time again.
19:01:37< dmacks> Nice RangerRick!
19:01:42< newmanbe> Domain names are overly expensive.
19:01:50< newmanbe> Verisign is greedy.
19:01:56< RangerRick> I ened[Bdidn't end up sending e-mail with it as much as I'd meant to
19:02:00< RangerRick> so I let it run out
19:04:03< dmacks> Better to get an account on an existing host and get creative...a username "asmotron" at any .org makes a good website.
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19:41:51[Users #fink]
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19:41:51-!- Irssi: #fink: Total of 41 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 41 normal]
19:41:52-!- Channel #fink created Sun Aug  3 17:57:20 2003
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19:47:26< drm> cirdan?
19:48:52 * drm has been replaced by a cirdan-seeking bot
19:49:32< RangerRick> http://interpretivearson.com/ddi/
19:50:36< dmacks> <fx="jaws theme">
19:52:24 * drm = shark seeking cirdan :)
19:53:51< drm> ok, i will be back in a couple of hours...maybe he will show his face then :)
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19:54:01< dmacks> shyeah right
20:02:41< newmanbe> I have the name!
20:02:46< newmanbe> Igneous Rock
20:14:37< dmacks> *gah*...hate...cairo...dependencies!
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20:18:51< RangerRick> hm?
20:19:01< RangerRick> trying to update pango and friends?
20:19:37< dmacks> gtk+2. The new version *requires* cairo.
20:19:43< RangerRick> yeah
20:20:12< dmacks> OTOH, that encouraged me to find my XCode CD and fix my busted X11SDK installation:/
20:20:15< RangerRick> which is cool, but will be a lot of work without inheritedbuilddepends
20:20:47 * dmacks wonders if we can just nuke the cairo bits from the .pc and .la
20:22:53< dmacks> Maybe we could "just" rewrite the linker/loader to allow implicit linking?
20:23:18< RangerRick> hehe
20:23:26< RangerRick> you won't be able to nuke them
20:23:31< RangerRick> gtk we[Boh, I see
20:23:34< RangerRick> erp
20:23:40< RangerRick> oh, I see, I mean  ;)
20:23:43< newmanbe> You did that before.
20:23:53< dmacks> ?
20:23:53< RangerRick> yes, it's my friggin' terminal
20:24:10< RangerRick> something about osx + ssh + screen means if I type too fast it flakes out and starts sending control-codes
20:24:24< newmanbe> Then type sloooooowllllllyyyyyyyy.
20:24:40< RangerRick> nah
20:24:46< dmacks> I get the same problem without the screen layer.
20:25:25< RangerRick> hm, ok
20:25:26< dmacks> glitz-0.4.4-1.deb fails validation "Libtool file points to fink build dir."
20:25:33< RangerRick> well there you go then
20:26:23< dmacks> (for libglitz-agl.la and libglitz-glx.la)
20:26:54< dmacks> ...which allows me to put off dealing with cairo yet:)
20:26:57< RangerRick> hah
20:30:53< dmacks> Yeah, it's a bug with how libtool is called or is handling the -L../../src flag in the linking stage.
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20:36:36< dmacks> They are doing some stupid stuff with GLITZ_LIB
20:36:48< dmacks> Please smite upstream.
20:37:33< newmanbe> !smite upstream
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20:48:53< dmacks> drm: He's still hiding
20:49:48< drm> oh well
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20:52:07< drm> akh: i think you will have to rebuild tetex
20:52:23< drm> or rather, tetex-base
20:52:24< akh> drm:  Yup--I already did and it worked for me, too.
20:52:45< drm> i wonder if i should make variants: tetex and tetex-xorg
20:53:07< drm> pain in the ass, to hafta do that!
20:53:35< akh> Yeah.  For that matter, do we know that XFree86-4.5 doesn't suffer from the same problem?
20:53:54< akh> (or rather, produce)
20:54:07< RangerRick> probably does
20:54:10< drm> dunno... i built the binaries against apple's x11
20:54:33< RangerRick> well, I supose tiger's x11 is 4.4, so maybe not
20:54:40< RangerRick> not a lot changed betweeon 4.4 and 4.5
20:54:56< RangerRick> betweeon!
20:55:14< drm> i hate having to test against non-apple x11, to be frank
20:55:27< drm> its not easy to uninstall and reinstall it
20:55:47< drm> what are the advantages of the non-apple ones?
20:56:13< runelind> wee still compiling koffice
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20:57:34< RangerRick> faster, many bugfixes
20:57:54< RangerRick> not as big of a difference as 4.3 -> 4.4, but still better
20:58:03< drm> but xorg is apparently not backward-compatible
20:58:15< RangerRick> thought it was until now  :P
20:58:17< drm> is xfree86 backward-compatible?
20:58:25< RangerRick> we'd have to ask torrey
20:58:33< RangerRick> if you can write up something descriptive on what's happening, I can pass it on
20:58:35< runelind> how do you change the XDarwin icon?
20:58:38< runelind> ugliest
20:58:38< RangerRick> http://ranger.befunk.com/gallery/screenshots/ahn
20:58:41< runelind> icon
20:58:41< runelind> ever
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21:00:49< akh> drm, RangerRick:  I don't recall having seen any similar posts before, so it may just be tetex-base and X.org.
21:01:15< akh> For now, at any rate, until some of the upstream developers decide to put Xorgisms in their code.
21:01:29< drm> akh: the root cause is that some symbol moved from one library to another... this is Not Good
21:01:35< akh> Agreed.
21:01:57< drm> so anyway, here's the question i'm trying to ask cirdan: maybe somebody else knows (but its unlikely)
21:02:03< akh> Any way to find out what other packages might want that library?
21:02:03< RangerRick> this is definitely a bug that Could/Should be fixed upstream
21:02:56< drm> cirdan, you have two different packages, cdrdao and gcdmaster, built from the same source...what's the difference? can i remove gcdmaster from the database?
21:04:13< akh> drm:  According to the Description, gcdmaster is the GTK+ interface to cdrdao
21:05:32< drm> akh: yeah, but i have a hard time figuring out from the rest of the .info file how so
21:05:39< akh> ah
21:06:42< dmacks> RangerRick: Why does glitz have a .patch present but the Patch field commented-out in the .info? And does that .patch, perhaps together with setting a null GLITZ_LIB in configure, fix the .la borkage?
21:07:13< drm> the only difference i can see is "--disable-gtkmmtest"... maybe if you disable it, the gtk stuff is not compiled
21:07:22< RangerRick> probably because I forgot to remove the patch because it used to need one
21:07:33< RangerRick> GLITZ_LIB needs to be set, it needs to link it
21:08:12< dmacks> That's true, but not in the way they do it:)
21:08:48< drm> dmacks, RangerRick: while we are on the subject of .la probs, did either of you build libiconv-10.1-5, and if so, did you get a good libiconv.la file or one with build info in dependency_libs?
21:09:12< RangerRick> I've built it
21:09:17< RangerRick> and I get: dependency_libs=' -L/sw/source.build/libiconv-1.10-5/libiconv-1.10/../_inst/sw/lib'  :P
21:09:29< dmacks> dependency_libs=' -L/sw/build/libiconv-1.10-4/libiconv-1.10/../_inst/sw/lib'
21:09:36< drm> dang it
21:10:22 * dmacks pats 'fink validate'
21:11:07< akh> drm:  ditto here on the 'build' linkage.
21:11:17 * newmanbe pats 'fink check'.
21:11:22< drm> but look at the .info file, guys... what's wrong with my perl -pi -e? and why did this work in rev. 4 but not in rev. 5?
21:11:37< dmacks> Didn't work in rev 4 either.
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21:11:52< drm> really? it worked for me
21:12:17< dmacks> libiconv-dev_1.10-[45].deb both give the same validation failure here.
21:12:34< dmacks> Maybe it depends on what things are installed at compile-time?
21:12:43< drm> maybe
21:12:46< drm> that would suck
21:12:51< RangerRick> it shouldn't, he's completely replaceing dependency_libs
21:13:00< RangerRick> it's not like it's dependent on what's in there
21:13:11 * akh got the same validation problem for -3, too.
21:13:12< drm> well, maybe i should do it in the install_script, not the compile_script
21:13:16< RangerRick> maybe it's the "'s that mess it up?  something's getting evaluated?
21:13:19< drm> just made more sense to do it in compile
21:13:22< RangerRick> oh, yeah
21:13:27< RangerRick> libtool remakes it
21:13:30< RangerRick> on install
21:13:33< RangerRick> (I think)
21:13:38< RangerRick> didn't notice where you were doing it
21:13:40< drm> yeah, something like that
21:13:49< dmacks> That sounds about right for libtool.
21:13:56< drm> ok, i will try... rev 6, here i come :)
21:14:15< drm> dmacks: to be fair, the authors of libiconv are overridding libtool to do that
21:14:25< dmacks> Okay:)
21:14:40< drm> dmacks: its because of the circular dependencies between libiconv and gettext, which are driving me crazy!
21:14:43< drm> (again!)
21:14:46< dmacks> Yup.
21:15:46< dmacks> Kinda like how compiling pkgconfig requires processing gtk+2's .pc file
21:16:53< drm> really? that's hilarious
21:17:26< drm> what is really silly about libiconv/gettext is how mindless their configure scripts are... gettext checks for the presence of xgettext, for example
21:17:54< RangerRick> they're just using defaults
21:18:06< drm> (which is a binary now in the gettext-tools pkg, which is to be built *after* the gettext pkg)
21:18:24< drm> yes i know, but they should *think* about the defaults
21:18:40< drm> just like all the people whose configure scripts check for g++ but then they never use g++
21:19:46< dmacks> Can't remember which pkg refuses to build shared libraries because they assume "no C++ here, so no reason to check compiler names", and without compiler names established they can't figure out how to link a .dylib.
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21:27:57< lisppaste> dmacks pasted "glitz.patch to fix .la" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/11439
21:28:25< RangerRick> bah, you and your "correctness"
21:28:41< dmacks> Wot, did you commit a brute-force fix?
21:28:58 * dmacks reads -commits....ah yes.
21:29:00< RangerRick> :)
21:29:09< RangerRick> I'm a member of the brute squad.
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21:30:39< dmacks> Ya wanna nuke the .patch if y'ain't usin' it?
21:30:53< RangerRick> I can use your patch
21:31:23< drm> hey, how do you tell which lib a symbol in an executable comes from?
21:31:33< dmacks> nm && pray.
21:31:46< drm> jfm said that his xdvi got the symbol from a specific lib
21:31:54< RangerRick> find /sw/lib -name \*.dylib -o -name \*.so -type f | xargs nm | less
21:32:00< RangerRick> /<symbol>
21:32:01< RangerRick> :)
21:32:23< drm> ok
21:32:31< drm> thought it might've been built in :/
21:32:46< RangerRick> might be, for all I know
21:32:55< dmacks> I think there's a gcc flag --why-load or somesuch if you want to see at compile-time.
21:33:46< dmacks> Seems like there should be an easy way to inspect a file to see where it gets its extern symbols (given that gcc can figure it out when it pukes over "indirectly referenced symbol..."
21:33:54< drm> so, can anybody with a non-apple X11 tell me if --XEditResCheckMessages is in LibXmu.6.dylib?
21:34:05< drm> sorry, that was __ at the beginning
21:34:35< drm> and its libXmu.6.dylib
21:35:23< dmacks> -Wl,whyload
21:36:12< RangerRick> so if libgettext3 and some other stuff finally make it to stable, I'll be able to start in on kde to stable
21:36:41< drm> RangerRick...that will be great, but you'll need to wait a little while
21:36:52< RangerRick> drm: what do you suggest for me building binaries?  I've got a box with 0.7.2 bootstraped
21:37:03< RangerRick> I'm going to copy only what I need from current stable to build
21:37:10< RangerRick> and then in theory I can put 
21:37:11< RangerRick> them up in a bindist
21:37:37< drm> RangerRick: yah, that should be fine... or you can use all the binaries from the current bindist
21:37:48< RangerRick> yeah, I've got UseBinaryDist
21:37:49< RangerRick> os
21:37:49< RangerRick> so 
21:37:52< RangerRick> it'll grab 'em
21:37:56< drm> good
21:38:00< RangerRick> man this terminal stuff is annoying
21:38:16< drm> we can put them into 0.7.2-updates when you are ready
21:38:22< RangerRick> ok
21:39:11< newmanbe> Woot! We now have search!
21:39:13< RangerRick> (I'll do 10.4 too eventually, but I'm not set up for it yet)
21:39:23< newmanbe> Not implemented very well, but we have it!
21:39:48< newmanbe> gopher://igneous-rock.homeunix.net/1/Using Search
21:40:10< newmanbe> Or gopher://127.0.0.1/0/Search?Fink if you are lazy.
21:40:53< newmanbe> Or not 127.0.0.1.
21:40:56< newmanbe> Hehe.
21:42:11 * RangerRick wonders if newmanbe will reimplement fink in BCPL next  :)
21:42:22< newmanbe> Hmm?
21:42:34< RangerRick> not relevant to today's technology  ;)
21:42:41< drm> any non-apple X11 folk? look at libXmu.6.dylib please?
21:42:50< dmacks> I'm on Apple's here.
21:43:05< RangerRick> sorry, drm, on apple for compat's sake
21:43:07< drm> RangerRick and akh might not be
21:43:09< drm> ah
21:43:25< RangerRick> I build and I test xorg, but I run apple's x11 when I'm building binaries generally
21:43:47< RangerRick> kde tends to be more compatible with the newer x11', so I leave apple's around to be sure nothing breaks
21:43:48< drm> i'm starting to think that the problem might be with openmotif3... maybe if it is installed at build time, it gets linked in to the binary
21:43:55< newmanbe> Hmm, now I messed up the logs...
21:44:11< newmanbe> Oh, oops, I just made them all executable... Whoops.
21:44:28< drm> oh wait, that can't be right... it IS installed at build time!
21:44:36< drm> according to builddepends
21:44:52< drm> ok, i give up...time for dinner anyway
21:44:54< drm> bbl
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21:45:44< dmacks> libiconv -6 looks good here.
21:47:52< dmacks> Wow, someone took the two 4M memory cards from the LCII I put in my apt's trash-pile.
21:49:17< akh> heh
21:52:23< dmacks> glitz -2 looks clean.
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22:05:04< dmacks> bbl
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22:08:46< cirdan> yoyo
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22:41:15< runelind> *sighs* still building koffice
22:44:54< runelind> I wanted to go spreadsheet crazy tonight baby!
22:49:58< cirdan> hah
22:50:01< cirdan> next week
22:51:54< runelind> mmm synergy rocks
22:52:14< runelind> probably gonna actually pay for it
22:53:21< runelind> someone should write an app switcher for darwinx
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22:53:39< runelind> or just have whatever kde uses run separately
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