--- Log opened Fri Sep 02 00:00:51 2005 00:07:57-!- drm [n=drm@ip68-108-245-119.sb.sd.cox.net] has joined #fink 00:26:05-!- shres [n=sshreyas@202.144.95.244] has joined #fink 00:42:51-!- KraMer [n=mark@adsl-70-240-205-240.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:48:42-!- drm [n=drm@ip68-108-245-119.sb.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:49:34-!- eno-away [n=eno-away@adsl-64-164-3-19.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:56:11-!- KraMer [n=mark@adsl-70-240-205-240.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #fink 01:00:16-!- cianhughes [n=cian@cian.ws] has joined #fink 01:07:24< gecko2> for what can i use "Flags" (fink.conf) 01:07:50-!- mbroeken [n=broeken@hst32165.phys.uu.nl] has joined #fink 01:07:55< gecko2> btw, that config option is not explained in the man 01:09:06-!- beniamino [n=ben@adsl-66-124-233-134.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 01:11:48-!- beniamino [n=ben@adsl-66-124-233-134.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #fink 01:17:15-!- pell [n=pellican@artemis.gaelicwizard.net] has joined #fink 01:30:12-!- pell [n=pellican@artemis.gaelicwizard.net] has quit [] 01:30:17-!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has quit ["Common Lisp IRC library - http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-irc"] 01:30:23-!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has joined #fink 01:32:31-!- ringerc [n=craig@dsl-202-72-144-62.wa.westnet.com.au] has joined #fink 01:36:18-!- beniamino [n=ben@adsl-66-124-233-134.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 01:42:35-!- sid77 [n=sid77@host-84-222-61-218.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #fink 01:48:03-!- cianhughes [n=cian@cian.ws] has quit [Client Quit] 01:53:22-!- runelind_ [n=mattias@c-67-174-106-90.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #fink 02:02:03-!- knghtbrd [i=quacked@d172-104.uoregon.edu] has left #fink [] 02:05:45-!- runelind [n=mattias@c-67-174-106-90.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:23:44-!- sid77 [n=sid77@host-84-222-61-218.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has quit ["http://slackintosh.workaround.ch/"] 02:30:24-!- eno-away [n=eno-away@adsl-64-170-123-227.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #fink 02:55:41-!- sid77 [n=sid77@host-84-222-61-218.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #fink 03:09:35-!- shres [n=sshreyas@202.144.95.244] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 03:34:35-!- shres [n=sshreyas@202.144.95.244] has joined #fink 04:32:16-!- hennker [i=flullup@dsl-082-082-234-211.arcor-ip.net] has joined #fink 05:30:05-!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has quit ["Common Lisp IRC library - http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-irc"] 05:30:18-!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has joined #fink 06:34:29-!- sid77 is now known as sid77_ 07:15:16-!- sid77_ is now known as sid77 07:15:21< sid77> re 07:19:47-!- kbroderick [n=kbroderi@rich-dsl6-236.greenmountainaccess.net] has joined #fink 07:28:34-!- cianhughes [n=cian@cian.ws] has joined #fink 07:32:12-!- drm [n=drm@ip68-108-245-119.sb.sd.cox.net] has joined #fink 07:35:12-!- akh [n=akhansen@ldx3.psfc.mit.edu] has joined #fink 07:35:45< drm> morning 07:36:38< akh> morning--up early? 07:37:17< drm> somehow, i never fully made the time zone change when i moved... been getting up at 5 am pacific 07:37:48< akh> Could be worse. At least you hadn't been used to 5AM Eastern. 07:38:37< drm> friend of mine in north carolina who grew up on a farm gets up at, like, 4:30 or 5:00 every day, no matter what time zone he's in! 07:38:52< drm> anyway... are we set with the new wiki? 07:39:06 * drm hasn't really looked 07:39:47< akh> I think so. 07:40:07< drm> i was wondering if we should put a link to it from the fink website, then 07:40:22< akh> It's in my "planned" list on the wiki. ;-) 07:40:32< drm> :) 07:40:51< akh> I thought I'd put the link in the "Resources" area on the main page. 07:41:15< drm> also, it would be nice to find a way to back it up into CVS without you having to do so by hand (like you were doing with the old one) 07:41:34< drm> akh: "Resources" area sounds good 07:42:35< akh> I'll see if I can find out anything--I never figured out if MediaWiki supports page exports--maybe a plugin is needed for that. 07:43:44< drm> pogma, did you get a chance to look at libiconv? i can just lisppaste some of the output from my build run if you want 07:54:16-!- sid77 is now known as sid77_ 07:58:10< akh> Heh--just found a way to make the wiki more hierarchical. 08:06:23-!- geewz [n=gregreed@ppp122-142.static.internode.on.net] has joined #fink 08:09:13-!- sid77_ [n=sid77@host-84-222-61-218.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has quit ["http://slackintosh.workaround.ch/"] 08:13:11< pogma> drm, sorry it had just failed to build when I had to go out 08:14:45< drm> np 08:20:59-!- sid77 [n=sid77@host-84-222-61-218.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #fink 08:21:34< pogma> drm: Look in libiconv/src/Makefile.in 08:22:02< pogma> case "@host_os@" in 08:22:09-!- sid77 is now known as sid77_ 08:23:10< drm> yeah, that looks like the source of the prob 08:23:34< drm> hard to know what they think they are doing :/ 08:23:39< pogma> I have no idea 08:24:49< drm> there is a comment just before that 08:25:09< drm> looks like he is trying to work around a solaris problem 08:25:30< drm> anyway, i will fix that with a patch and see how it goes...thanks! 08:28:37< akh> mmm...new undocumented fink feature...*i* in "fink list" for installed packages that are sans local debs. 08:30:02-!- geewz [n=gregreed@ppp122-142.static.internode.on.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 08:31:04< akh> Or is it for sans package descriptions? 08:32:06< akh> (the package I was looking at had both issues) 08:45:25-!- kbroderick [n=kbroderi@rich-dsl6-236.greenmountainaccess.net] has quit [] 08:46:19-!- RangerAway is now known as RangerRick 08:53:16< akh> Before I commit it, does anybody want to give feedback on my proposed addition to the Resources on the main page? 08:53:24< akh> My demo is at http://ldx3.psfc.mit.edu/~hansen/web/index.php 08:57:40-!- Fang [n=Fang@2002:53c5:cc89:1:0:0:0:1] has joined #fink 08:58:11-!- runelind_ [n=mattias@c-67-174-106-90.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:59:25-!- drm [n=drm@ip68-108-245-119.sb.sd.cox.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 09:02:28-!- muesli [n=muesli@mail.muehlhaeuser.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:07:29-!- shreyas [n=sshreyas@202.144.95.243] has joined #fink 09:11:07-!- mbroeken [n=broeken@hst32165.phys.uu.nl] has quit [] 09:14:13-!- shreyas [n=sshreyas@202.144.95.243] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 09:17:27-!- shres [n=sshreyas@202.144.95.244] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:17:44-!- cirdan_ [n=chris@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #fink 09:17:58< akh> hmmm...emacs21-nox has been borked for a while and we've gotten the first report of a problem today? 09:18:15< akh> Probably because it's not runtime borkage 09:18:30-!- cirdan [n=chris@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:19:58< RangerRick> yeah, that's crazy 09:20:20< akh> And I'm not sure the maintainer's still active. 09:20:24-!- muesli [n=muesli@mail.muehlhaeuser.de] has joined #fink 09:20:39< akh> I think my suggested fix is probably the right one. 09:20:40< RangerRick> no idea 09:21:19< akh> Heh--gonna be some pissed-off Panther users today. 09:21:59< akh> (new oo.org rev) 09:22:11< RangerRick> hehe 09:22:23< RangerRick> no one makes them update-all 09:22:40< akh> True: and the motivation for the new rev looks legitimate. 09:23:01< akh> It's probably bad for functionality. 09:23:10< RangerRick> oh? 09:23:33< akh> Log Message: Disable IPv6 for Panther. 09:24:07< RangerRick> ah, yeah 09:24:37< akh> So people will stop complaining about crashes and complain about having to rebuild, instead. :-) 09:24:50< cirdan_> morning 09:25:04< akh> 09:25:09< RangerRick> hehe 09:25:15< akh> morning, cirdan_ 09:25:17-!- cirdan_ is now known as cirdan 09:25:35< akh> correct tag punctuation is overrated. 09:25:40< RangerRick> "because you're too lazy to write an automated build system for us" 09:25:44< pogma> well, we really are not providing the service that we should, for all the money that fink makes from our users 09:26:00< RangerRick> hah 09:26:05< pogma> I mean, hey, RangerRick is raking it in :) 09:26:07 * akh thinks I've got a business model that can correct that. 09:26:27< akh> (not making money from users -- can't do much about the KDE conspiracy) 09:27:41< akh> ;-) 09:29:47< akh> heh: "This looks like a bug in emacs21-nox. It illegally depends on a builddepends-only package. I'd recommend the death penalty." 09:30:05-!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has quit ["Common Lisp IRC library - http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-irc"] 09:30:13-!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has joined #fink 09:31:08-!- shreyas [n=sshreyas@202.144.95.244] has joined #fink 09:31:33< akh> If we killed people for every bad dependency we'd have no maintainers left. :-) 09:33:03< RangerRick> problem solved, no more maintenance nightmare 09:37:12-!- emp [n=emp@70.57.239.37] has joined #fink 09:38:14< akh> Other than not fixing anything, of course. :-) 09:38:48-!- geewz [n=gregreed@ppp122-142.static.internode.on.net] has joined #fink 09:53:19-!- ringerc [n=craig@dsl-202-72-144-62.wa.westnet.com.au] has quit ["zzzz"] 09:57:19-!- shreyas is now known as shres 10:01:19-!- geewz [n=gregreed@ppp122-142.static.internode.on.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 10:05:29-!- emp [n=emp@70.57.239.37] has left #fink ["Leaving"] 10:33:37< cirdan> KFontInstall control module got disabled from compilation 10:33:37< cirdan> because of missing FreeType 2.x libraries/headers. 10:33:48< cirdan> You're missing libsmbclient from samba 3.0 10:33:49< cirdan> KDE will not be able to browse windows shares without it, 10:33:52< cirdan> consider installing it. 10:35:48< RangerRick> does 10.3 have samba 3? 10:35:52< RangerRick> I know 10.4 does 10:36:01< RangerRick> I've considered putting together a samba-dev package 10:36:41-!- beniamino [n=ben@adsl-64-164-10-189.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #fink 11:09:28-!- beniamino [n=ben@adsl-64-164-10-189.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 11:18:53-!- beniamino [n=ben@adsl-64-164-10-189.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #fink 11:18:54-!- beniamino [n=ben@adsl-64-164-10-189.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:23:32-!- beniamino [n=ben@adsl-64-164-10-189.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #fink 11:38:07-!- shres [n=sshreyas@202.144.95.244] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 11:47:54-!- Fang [n=Fang@2002:53c5:cc89:1:0:0:0:1] has quit ["Famous last word #4: "A truck? Where?""] 11:54:56-!- shres [n=sshreyas@202.144.95.243] has joined #fink 12:22:30-!- cianhughes [n=cian@cian.ws] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:22:42-!- cianhughes [n=cian@cian.ws] has joined #fink 12:26:46-!- beniamino [n=ben@adsl-64-164-10-189.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 12:49:09-!- JesseW [n=chatzill@pdpc/supporter/student/JesseW] has joined #fink 13:18:08-!- JesseW is now known as JesseW_away 13:23:54< akh> So the reports of the crypto tree's demise were greatly exaggerated... 13:26:00< RangerRick> hehe 13:26:05< RangerRick> forgot about gnupg and gpgme11 13:26:19< RangerRick> trying to figure out a way to get them in main, but that will take a policy change I think :) 13:26:33< akh> heh 13:30:04-!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has quit ["Common Lisp IRC library - http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-irc"] 13:30:10-!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has joined #fink 13:31:39< akh> Ah! The day just doesn't feel right without building some component of KDE. ;-) 13:33:38-!- JesseW_away [n=chatzill@pdpc/supporter/student/JesseW] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:35:24-!- JesseW [n=chatzill@pdpc/supporter/student/JesseW] has joined #fink 13:35:27-!- JesseW is now known as JesseW_away 13:37:06-!- sid77_ is now known as sid77 13:37:28< sid77> re 13:39:48-!- Murr [n=neeri@A17-202-20-71.apple.com] has joined #fink 13:41:40-!- JesseW_away [n=chatzill@pdpc/supporter/student/JesseW] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:42:24< akh> "cleanup --bl" looks like it doesn't clobber working buildlocks. 13:42:31< akh> Always a good thing. 13:42:47-!- JesseW [n=chatzill@pdpc/supporter/student/JesseW] has joined #fink 13:42:52-!- JesseW is now known as JesseW_away 13:50:08-!- dmacks [n=dmacks@netspace.org] has joined #fink 13:54:14< akh> dmacks: You failed to destroy my system with your "cleanup --bl" ;-) 13:54:30< dmacks> drat 13:54:37< akh> Clearly you're not trying hard enough. 13:55:37< dmacks> Did you try the special ";rm -rf /" flag? 13:55:46< akh> forgot 13:56:12< akh> I'll try out drm's gettext and libiconv--those should be destructive. 13:57:56< akh> Cool --works for one lock and two locks, so by induction it should work for infinite locks. 13:58:56-!- shres [n=sshreyas@202.144.95.243] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:03:55< dmacks> ...assuming the locks are spherical, obviously. 14:07:41< akh> Or zero-size points. 14:12:44< akh> GAAH--shot my build in the foot by swapping out libiconv-dev right at the time that kdepim3 was looking for libiconv.dylib. 14:13:36< dmacks> heh 14:14:32< dmacks> Do you think we need to support buildlocks from multiple machines using the same (remote-mounted) fink? 14:14:50< dmacks> (i.e., should the lock struct include the machine name?) 14:15:53< akh> Hmm...do people do that? 14:16:07< akh> use the same fink on multiple boxes 14:16:40< dmacks> Dunno. No reason it *shouldn't* work, but IIRC someone said it didn't work too well. 14:17:07-!- knghtbrd [i=quacked@d172-104.uoregon.edu] has joined #fink 14:17:14 * dmacks wondering whether every build process should *automatically* remove all stale locks. 14:17:58-!- knghtbrd [i=quacked@d172-104.uoregon.edu] has left #fink [] 14:18:39< akh> dmacks: Can't see a good reason why not. That would cut the error reports down to just borked status files. 14:20:20 * akh hates when people don't define their abbreviations. 14:20:31< akh> Then I have to look the damn things up. 14:20:52< dmacks> If people have locks on a shared/mounted fink, that would nuke "everyone else's" locks. 14:20:59< akh> ah 14:21:20< akh> But just everybody else's stale locks? 14:21:41< akh> I could see where nuking active locks would be bad. 14:22:06< dmacks> No, it would nuke everyone else's *all* locks. (lock struct stores the PID of the fink process that created it; cleanup checks "is that PID alive?") 14:22:21< akh> ick 14:23:25< dmacks> Guess I should store `uname -n` or somesuch in the struct? 14:23:36< akh> yeah 14:24:20< akh> RangerRick: I've gotta head out, but did you see the "AUP violation" message? 14:26:11< dmacks> What good are the "category" tags of wiki pages? 14:27:06< dmacks> (...since none of their links seem to lead anywhere) 14:27:14< akh> dmacks: You can see all of the items in a given category together. 14:27:27< dmacks> Ahhh! 14:27:40< dmacks> Is that automatic? 14:27:48< akh> Yup 14:28:10< akh> Other than the Fink category, which leads back to the main page. 14:28:51< dmacks> ...and Admins, Core, Fink Documentation, GCC, Gnome, and Xar, that lead nowhere. 14:29:24< akh> Oh--guess it's not automatic. 14:29:52< akh> BTW--I'm working on renaming all of our pages from foo to Fink:Section:foo 14:30:32< akh> That way we can definitely avoid collisions with the main OpenDarwin stuff. 14:30:32< dmacks> Good idea. 14:30:45< dmacks> (or od can avoid collisions with the main Fink stuff:) 14:30:53< akh> Exactly. Moving the pages works more or less automatically. 14:31:16< akh> There's redirects--which I've been been replacing. 14:34:18-!- JesseW_away [n=chatzill@pdpc/supporter/student/JesseW] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:34:33< akh> Now GNOME works (though there's only one item in the category) 14:34:51< akh> (I just created a page and the contents were generated automatically) 14:35:27< akh> Time to head out. 14:35:42< dmacks> g'nite 14:35:44-!- akh is now known as akh_gone 14:36:32-!- JesseW [n=chatzill@pdpc/supporter/student/JesseW] has joined #fink 14:36:36-!- JesseW is now known as JesseW_away 14:42:09-!- vasi [n=vasi@modemcable133.147-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #fink 14:42:50-!- JesseW_away [n=chatzill@pdpc/supporter/student/JesseW] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:01:42-!- JesseW [n=chatzill@pdpc/supporter/student/JesseW] has joined #fink 15:01:45-!- JesseW is now known as JesseW_away 15:14:31< RangerRick> akh_gone: wha? 15:14:39 * RangerRick doesn't know what an AUP is :) 15:21:32< dmacks> "Acceptible Use Policy" perhaps? 15:21:35< gecko2> for what can i use "Flags" (fink.conf) 15:21:35< gecko2> btw, that config option is not explained in the man 15:22:03 * gecko2 repeated his question from few houres ago =) 15:22:05< dmacks> You can not-touch the field...I think it's for internal status information right now. 15:22:17< vasi> yeah, exactly 15:22:28< gecko2> ahh 15:22:52 * gecko2 moves the entry to the developer dection of his fink.conf 15:22:56< gecko2> section* 15:23:49< dmacks> vasi: I'm still getting occasional 0-second timeouts for prompts (I have never added any categories to my fink.conf). Is something goofy in the default handler? 15:24:19< vasi> i've not observed that :-( 15:24:24< gecko2> the other question is: i still wait for a response to my update submission of joe 15:24:50< vasi> any particular prompt where this occurs? 15:24:50< gecko2> since a bit over a month 15:25:15< vasi> gecko2, we unfortunately have limited manpower :-( 15:25:31< vasi> if you ask around on-channel, you'll probably find someone with time soon 15:25:37< dmacks> I *think* it's during swappy-code, but I'm usually in the middle of lotsa builds when it happens and forget to write down the exact situation:( 15:25:41< vasi> but i can't commit to it until 0.25 is out 15:26:20< gecko2> vasi: i would submit it myself, if i were a developer =) 15:26:25< gecko2> but i'm not 15:26:35-!- sid77 [n=sid77@host-84-222-61-218.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has quit ["http://slackintosh.workaround.ch/"] 15:26:55< vasi> gecko2, i know you're trying to help :-) 15:27:22< gecko2> yep 15:29:11< vasi> dmacks, does it print "assuming default"? 15:29:27< vasi> or just act normal but time-out immediately? 15:29:46< vasi> and does it actually print "TIMEOUT:..." 15:29:47< vasi> ? 15:35:56< dmacks> It does *not* print TIMEOUT, can't remember other details. 15:41:37< vasi> hmm, very weird 15:48:32-!- shres [n=sshreyas@59.92.129.113] has joined #fink 15:53:55< RangerRick> are drm's gettext packages supposed to be testable? :) 15:57:21< RangerRick> ah, looks like I had old files sitting around 15:57:26-!- JesseW_away is now known as JesseW 16:03:46-!- drm [n=drm@kitp121.itp.ucsb.edu] has joined #fink 16:04:17< drm> RangerRick: did you do "cvs up" in my directory before copying? 16:05:24-!- Albie [n=ambs@bl7-0-183.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #fink 16:05:30< RangerRick> drm: yeah, false positive 16:05:36< RangerRick> I'd copied your directory from earlier 16:05:40< RangerRick> and then cvs up'd and copied again 16:05:44< RangerRick> there was some overlap of old/new packages 16:05:52< RangerRick> deleting everything and re-copying seems to have allowed it to continue 16:05:58< drm> ok, cool 16:06:39< drm> jfm noticed a weirdness with what libiconv links to, so there will be a new rev of that one once i figure it out 16:06:46< RangerRick> ok 16:06:54< drm> thanks for the help 16:06:59< RangerRick> sure 16:07:22< RangerRick> phase install failed 16:07:42< drm> lisppaste please? 16:08:12< RangerRick> gettin' there, different machien :) 16:08:17< drm> :) 16:08:31< lisppaste> RangerRick pasted "compile failed for libiconv" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/11333 16:08:33< RangerRick> my bad, compile failed 16:09:09< drm> yeah, it got the wrong gettext...grrr 16:09:15< drm> back to the drawing board! 16:09:22-!- RLD_osx [n=rldempse@66-190-76-181.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com] has joined #fink 16:10:14< drm> how come you have -L/sw/lib in that link line and I don't? 16:10:25 * drm reads the Makefile again 16:10:26< RangerRick> coming from an existing .la maybe? 16:10:37< RangerRick> I can tar up my build dir if you want :) 16:10:47< drm> yeah, that would help...thanks 16:11:11< drm> anyway, i'm "happy" i asked for testers :) 16:11:16< RangerRick> hehe 16:11:23< RangerRick> oh c'mon, just release it! 16:11:36 * drm is not cirdan 16:11:40 * RangerRick is wishing he had a non-crypto/ gnupg and gpgme11 :( 16:11:40< drm> (drm ducks) 16:12:12< RangerRick> also, I thought I was being clever with my unified kde packagse, forgetting that many versions of kdelibs* conflict with their ssl counterparts and vice-versa 16:12:45< drm> yeah 16:12:45< RangerRick> so it's essentially impossible to upgrade in some situations :( 16:12:45< drm> upgrade path is a pain to figure out 16:12:45< RangerRick> I still haven't figured out how to fix it 16:12:45< drm> you may have to change the names or something 16:12:45< RangerRick> I did! 16:12:51< RangerRick> the "real" packages are kdelibs3-unified and so on 16:12:59< RangerRick> but I still have to have kdelibs3 and kdelibs3-ssl for upgrade 16:13:03< RangerRick> well 16:13:14< RangerRick> yeah 16:13:27< RangerRick> nothing depends on them anymore 16:13:39< RangerRick> I'm not sure how people are ending up with kdelibs3 installed though 16:14:00< drm> people mixing stable and unstable, perhaps? 16:14:05< RangerRick> I don't know 16:14:13< RangerRick> I don't see how 16:14:16< RangerRick> ooooh 16:14:18< RangerRick> I know 16:14:24< RangerRick> old stuff that depends on kdelibs3 | kdebase3 16:14:28< RangerRick> or something along those lines 16:14:34< RangerRick> I need to update anything that depends on KDE maybe? 16:14:38< RangerRick> hmm 16:14:49< RangerRick> sad thing is, an apt-update would do the right thing, I think 16:14:57< RangerRick> it would ignore the errors until everything got updated 16:15:03< drm> how can something depend on kdelibs3|kdebase3 16:15:07< drm> that doesn't make sense 16:15:12< RangerRick> er, sorry, kdelibs3|kdelibs3-ssl 16:15:15< RangerRick> getting ahead of myself :) 16:15:18< drm> ah, ok 16:15:29< RangerRick> it's a friggin' mess 16:15:34< RangerRick> once everyone's upgraded, it will be fine 16:15:45< RangerRick> but I've got some stuck upgrade paths and I'm not sure how to repair them ;( 16:18:46< drm> are you gonna email the tarball, or is there a place i can grab it? 16:19:34< RangerRick> I'll have it up somewhere in a sec 16:21:45< RangerRick> http://ranger.befunk.com/misc/libiconv-1.10-2.tar.bz2 16:23:03< drm> safari, or 10.4, wants to put a suffix ".tar" onto that filename... weird 16:23:19< vasi> drm, it's Safari 16:23:25< vasi> it does that to bz2 files 16:23:25< drm> hey vasi 16:23:31< vasi> hiya 16:23:34< drm> well, shame on it! 16:23:46< vasi> i just use wget :-) 16:24:34< vasi> RR, i'll try to get filelight and kdirstat upgraded soon 16:24:45< vasi> is there anything special i've gotta do? 16:26:38< RangerRick> depend on kdelibs3-unified and/or kdebase3-unified instead 16:27:30-!- dmacks [n=dmacks@pdpc/supporter/active/dmacks] has quit ["leaving"] 16:27:37< vasi> yeah, i get that part :-) 16:31:03< RangerRick> shouldn't need to do anything else wacky 16:31:56< vasi> okily doke then 16:32:57 * RangerRick slaps his hfforehead 16:33:11< RangerRick> I never updated bundle-kde to use -unified for kdelibs3 and kdebase3! 16:33:17< RangerRick> no wonder it was forcing ssl users to have kdelibs 16:33:18< RangerRick> ergh 16:33:20 * RangerRick is a dumbass 16:33:51< RangerRick> or, as they say, a whacko elitist 16:36:34< vasi> 16:54:22< drm> why do these idiots have circular dependencies anyway? 16:54:27< drm> libiconv and gettext 16:54:40< drm> man, its a pain 16:55:25< drm> for those just joining us, libiconv builds differently, depending on whether gettext is already installed or not 16:55:35< drm> but gettext depends on libiconv 16:55:37< drm> grrr 16:56:09< RangerRick> yeah 16:56:14< RangerRick> lame lame lame 16:56:18< RangerRick> it's like you've gotta build everything twice 16:56:25-!- Albie [n=ambs@bl7-0-183.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:56:46< drm> but its worse than that... the configure script is checking for what's there... BOTH configure scripts check for BOTH packages 16:57:20< RangerRick> heh 16:59:56< drm> now i am mucking around with configure variables... rather dangerous game 17:00:37< drm> telling configure to *not* look for one of the pkgs 17:00:43< drm> we shall see :) 17:01:00-!- bbraun [n=bbraun@opendarwin/core/bbraun] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:01:37-!- shreyas [n=sshreyas@59.92.129.37] has joined #fink 17:03:52< drm> bbl 17:03:55-!- drm [n=drm@kitp121.itp.ucsb.edu] has quit [] 17:04:17-!- z|bandito [n=z@cpe-66-8-155-153.hawaii.res.rr.com] has joined #fink 17:06:57< cirdan> heh 17:13:23-!- shres [n=sshreyas@59.92.129.113] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:21:59< cougar`> loha 17:22:33< cirdan> Melian: cougar is a stu. 17:22:33< Melian> okay, cirdan 17:23:00< cougar`> Melian: forget cougar 17:23:00< Melian> cougar`: i forgot cougar 17:23:09< cirdan> !opp cougar` 17:23:10 * Melian Mode change "+o cougar`" on channel #fink by Melian 17:26:25-!- citizen_0 [n=user@va-sterling-u1-c5c-a-146.chvlva.adelphia.net] has joined #fink 17:27:59< cirdan> !seen dmacks 17:28:00< Melian> dmacks was last seen on IRC in channel #fink, 1h 52m 2s ago, saying: 'It does *not* print TIMEOUT, can't remember other details.'. 17:30:11-!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has quit ["Common Lisp IRC library - 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