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07:41:49< lisppaste> You may have noticed that lisppaste has been reconnecting a lot lately. I've been trying to come up with a temporary solution to keep lisppaste connected while freenode experiences some instability. I have set them to reconnect every four hours now; this should be a little less noisy in busy channels.
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07:59:11< akh> It talks!
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08:13:58 * akh really wishes I knew why cvs-1.12.12 didn't work properly.
08:17:04< akh> Maybe I'll try it again by hand...
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08:18:26< akh> Teach me to maintain a package that people actually use.
08:19:28< chris01> he
08:20:27< akh> The specialty-interest packages are much easier to deal with.  Nobody notices if they're broken, nobody gripes about updates, ...
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08:24:50< akh> hmm...how would I go about making a UFS disk image?
08:26:08< akh> nm--figured it out
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08:27:36< zizban> trying pkgsrc?
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08:29:09< akh> No, I'm checking whether the default case sensitivity option for cvs is set at compile-time by the filesystem where the build tree lives.
08:31:31< akh> Because if it is, then I need to force case sensitivity for everybody.
08:31:55< zizban> ah
08:34:59< akh> I probably should have done it already, but the language in the configuration help led me to believe that this was set at runtime.
08:35:05< akh> (so OK)
08:35:41< akh> However, looking at configuration output, there was a case sensitivity check...
08:36:04< zizban> I see
08:36:51< akh> So it's probably done at compile time--why do the check otherwise?
08:37:32< akh> Maybe there wasn't a smarter way to do it, but this seems asinine--why set option based on where it's _built_?
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08:39:35< zizban> I dont know Unix is weird sometimes
08:41:59< akh> Yeah.
08:49:08< bbraun> akh?
08:49:35< akh> yup
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08:50:04< bbraun> so, talked to cryo about the wiki stuff, and he made a root fink page you can build off: http://wiki.opendarwin.org/index.php/Fink
08:50:17< akh> bbraun: Cool!  Thanks much!
08:51:03< chris01> akh, bbraun: thanks for the wiki!
08:51:12< akh> Maybe I can persuade newmanbe to copy everything over.
08:51:14< chris01> are we going to move everything over?
08:52:06< akh> chris01: Sure.  It's not _too_ hard because everything is in my experimental tree--including formatting.
08:52:27< akh> (in text files)
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08:53:09< akh> Better finish today's upload.
08:54:29 * zizban is sorting through pile of files previous person left
08:59:18< chris01> akh: did you check in your recent changes to the wiki in your exp dir?
08:59:29< akh> I'm working on that right now.
08:59:38< chris01> ah.. sorry. ok.
09:00:54< akh> That should do it.
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09:05:32< akh> I've put a notice up about the transition.
09:07:54< akh> Ugh--I just installed in /home/$HOME instead of /Users/$HOME 
09:08:11< akh> This cross-platform stuff is murder on the brain.
09:09:14< zizban> on solaris it's /home/export/$USER
09:09:26< zizban> and Irix it's /usr/people/$NAME
09:09:32< akh> heh
09:09:34< zizban> confused yet>
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09:10:00< akh> In this case it wasn't bad because I just wanted a test installation outside of the standard environment.
09:10:39< zizban> cool
09:10:41< chris01> akh shall i help you move pages to opendarwin?
09:10:41< akh>  /home/$USER is as good as /Users/$USER
09:10:59< akh> chris01: Sure.  That would be great!
09:11:17< chris01> ok, i will start right now. Don't know how far i will get.
09:11:22< chris01> will inform you.
09:11:34< akh> I need to reboot this computer to Panther to validate and commit a couple of packages, so you'll have to rely on the CVS files.
09:12:40< chris01> sure, that's where i wanted to take the info from anyhow.
09:12:50< akh> Works for me.
09:18:31< akh> Urgh--there was _nothing_ in the cvs-1.12.12 build log to indicate why it throws "memory exhausted" errors.
09:20:41< zizban> I'm exhausted :)
09:20:47< akh> Heh
09:21:09< akh> But you at least know _why_ you're exhausted.  ;-)
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09:26:59< cianhughes> My apologise is this sounds incredibly dodgy, I have just received an encrypted message and dug out my old PGP key, unfortunately I can't remember it's secret key, is my best bet to try a brute force attack on my secret key's password, what is the best way to do this (I was thinking a perl script feeding passwords to gpg utility)
09:27:18< zizban> heh
09:27:22< akh> Or so you say... ;-)
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09:33:43 * akh enjoys using cvs to check in the cvs.info file.
09:36:17< chris01> akh: check out http://wiki.opendarwin.org/index.php/Fink and http://wiki.opendarwin.org/index.php/GCC
09:36:50< chris01> akh: one thing i am not sure about: shouldn't the link to /GCC be something like /Fink/GCC or /Fink_GCC ? 
09:37:35< akh> chris01: Probably.  I have a MediaWiki testbed here, so let's see how newmanbe did it when he copied an earlier version.
09:38:38< chris01> oh right... forgot about that one.
09:38:47< chris01> what was the link there?
09:39:04< akh> http://ldx3.psfc.mit.edu/~hansen/mediawiki/
09:39:37< akh> But it looks like it's the same way--the pages are flat rather than hierarchical.
09:45:22< akh> *grumble*
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09:53:41< akh> OK--gotta "Pantherize" (so my homedir will changes).
09:53:46< akh> change
09:53:50< akh> biab
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09:55:57< zizban> ditto
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09:56:58< RangerRick> so I've been fighting xml import in perl for like a week
09:57:08< RangerRick> I was reading the xml file in, and then running an xml parser over it
09:57:17< RangerRick>  and it kept turning latin1 characters into incorrect utf8 stuff
09:57:35< RangerRick> I changed my code to tell the xml parser to parse the file directly, rather than reading it into a string first
09:57:38< RangerRick> and now it magically works
09:57:41< RangerRick> @&#*$&*&!
09:57:50< RangerRick> stupid utf8 crap
09:58:01< RangerRick> There's More Than One Way To Screw It
10:01:01< RangerRick> http://cellar.org/iotd.php
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10:02:35 * akh feels so behind the times now that I'm on Panther.
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10:04:13< akh> Of course, the fact that I'm a bit lagged due to being on an external drive doesn't help.
10:19:09< chris01> akh: we probably should have a link back to the Fink wiki homepage on all our wiki pages on opendarwin.
10:19:34< akh> Agreed--otherwise navigation will get nasty.
10:19:46< chris01> yup
10:20:29< akh> I guess the only major concern is overlap with a pre-existing page.
10:20:40< akh> But that's easy enough to deal with, I guess.
10:21:04< chris01> yes
10:21:20< chris01> Shall we go ahead as it is done with the GCC page?
10:21:34< akh> I don't see a reason why not.
10:22:49< chris01> ok
10:22:57< akh> And if people complain about the flat web structure, there's nothing _I_ can do to fix it.  ;-)
10:22:58< chris01> will work on a couple of more pages
10:23:36< akh> Cool.  If newmanbe shows up he could probably be talked into copying more stuff--since he did it once already.
10:25:24< akh> If I were motivated and knew Perl I'd come up with a textile -> Fink XML converter script.
10:25:25< pogma> akh: Yay! OD wiki pages, good work!
10:25:54< bbraun> you want .info files in xml?
10:26:03< akh> pogma: Thanks.
10:26:13< bbraun> I'd be all about that.
10:26:15< akh> bbraun: For the fink doc source.
10:26:22< bbraun> oh...
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10:26:43< akh> But people have been talking about XMLish .info files, I believe.
10:27:04< pogma> bbraun: Heh, fink info files in XML? Possible, you need to talk to vasi and dmacks though
10:27:45< bbraun> that would be phase 1 of my plans.  phase 2 would be swapping in xar for dpkg and putting the .info file as a xar subdoc.  ;-)
10:29:02< pogma> didn't realize that xar was there yet.
10:29:17< akh> Why xar vs. dpkg ?
10:29:35< pogma> akh: cause bbraun wrote one and not the other :)
10:29:51< akh> Makes sense.  :-)
10:30:03< pogma> also, we hack the heck out of dpkg
10:30:23< akh> Yeah, that'd be a drawback.
10:30:34< akh> Why not go back to stow?  
10:30:36< akh> ;-)
10:32:21< pogma> akh: xar has the potential to be much cooler than dpkg
10:33:06< akh> Nice.  And people would stop asking "can i install Debian Linux packages with Fink?"
10:33:30< pogma> nah, people will still find stupid questions to ask :)
10:34:02< pogma> beer break, back in 5
10:34:30 * akh is thirsty now.   Stupid US timezones
10:35:27< akh> (and the fact that the campus pub doesn't open until 16:00)
10:36:41 * akh misses my grad school days--go to the Student Union at noon, split a pitcher or two, and then be thoroughly unproductive in the afternoon.  ;-)
10:43:58< chris01> akh: did you remove the mediawiki pages from your machine? I can't seem to access any pages from http://ldx3.psfc.mit.edu/~hansen/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page
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10:44:35< chris01> aha, no, it seems to be no longer installed
10:45:15< akh> chris01: I rebooted to a different drive.
10:45:53< Snaggle> akh: do subscriptions to fink lists have to be approved by a person?  I'm not getting the error message that I was getting last night, but I'm not getting any response either besides the automated confirm request
10:46:29< akh> Snaggle: Not normally.
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10:47:03< Snaggle> sigh
10:47:07< chris01> akh: ok, no problem.
10:47:26< pogma> Snaggle: what is the problem?
10:47:30< chris01> akh: how do you like the links to the main page on http://wiki.opendarwin.org/index.php/GCC ?
10:48:24< akh> chris01: Good--but maybe call it "Fink wiki main page" to avoid confusion with the "real" fink main page.
10:48:51< chris01> ah.. right. That's better.
10:49:20< Snaggle> pogma: I got a new domain a couple days ago and was transferring my fink lists subscriptions to an address there.  SF bounced me w/ an error saying that the domain did not have a postmaster@ address and would not subscribe me...
10:50:18< Snaggle> I fixed the postmaster@ error and tried to resubscribe, but SF kept giving the same error but it was saying that it was using the result of the earlier verification...
10:50:47< pogma> sounds like sf.net support request time
10:50:52< Snaggle> Now when I try to subscribe, I get the confirm request like last time, but rather than getting an error in response from SF I get nothing
10:51:22< pogma> what list? and what address do you want to be sunscribed as?
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10:52:46< Snaggle> beginners, users, and devel with fink at snaggledworks.com
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10:55:20< pogma> -beginners, at least shows you subscribed
10:55:31< Snaggle> really?
10:56:18< Snaggle> that's good.  I guess it's just succeeding silently now...
10:56:44 * Snaggle waits for someone to post about using Debian linux packages with Fink
10:56:51< pogma> not -devel though, did you reply to all the confirmation mails?
10:57:19< Snaggle> yay!  finally got a welcome from -beginners
10:57:45< pogma> just subscribed you to -devel
10:57:58< Snaggle> got that too
10:58:10< Snaggle> thanks
10:58:14< pogma> you're on your own now then :)
10:58:31 * Snaggle thwacks SF with a pogo stick
11:00:04< chris01> Anybody familiar with MediaWiki? The first list should be numbered (only top level) on http://wiki.opendarwin.org/index.php/The_10.4_tree
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11:03:20< akh> chris01: use '#' for a numbered list.
11:04:09< chris01> akh: yes, but that doesn't work with the bulleted items inside a # tag
11:04:25< chris01> or at least it didn't work right away as i tried it.
11:04:40< akh> ## ?
11:06:15< akh> biab--rebooting (and that way my mediawiki test site will be up)
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11:12:43< akh> phew!  Back on Tiger.
11:12:54< akh> chris01: the mediawiki site _shoutd_ be back up.
11:12:59< akh> should
11:15:19< cirdan> yo
11:15:26< akh> hey
11:15:48< akh> umm...who's been leaking SPAM?
11:16:57< pogma> not I
11:18:27< akh> Cyrillic characters are a bit of a giveaway.  ;-)
11:19:03< akh> Urgh--my mit.edu account needs to learn that "eBay Safe Harbour" is a phisher.
11:20:27< akh> It's been good about capturing a lot of the spam but this one seems to have eluded the filter.
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11:38:11< akh> ugh--they're spamming the -admin addresses now.
11:38:24< akh> !alicekill spammers
11:38:24< Melian> I want to kill spammers, I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill spammers. Kill. I wanna see spammers's blood and gore and guts and have spammers's veins in my teeth.  Eat spammers's dead burnt body.  I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL! and I jump around with akh, yelling "KILL, KILL"
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11:40:00< akh> That'll do.  Thanks, Melian.
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12:09:01< chris01> akh: most of the *top level* pages are now ported to the new wiki (expect gnome)
12:20:25< runelind>  * NewOrleans has quit IRC (Excess Flood)
12:20:28< runelind> hehehehe
12:28:40< Murr> ouch
12:29:05< runelind> indeed
12:29:45< RangerRick> anyone remember how to put a raw [ in mediawiki?
12:34:37< RangerRick> instead of putting all the "back to fink" links, you could add a gcategory
12:34:39< RangerRick> Category: Fink
12:35:03< chris01> RangerRick: that makes sense. Didn't know about the category stuff.
12:35:16< chris01> Unfortunately my Fink Time (tm) is over today... :(
12:35:32< chris01> so, if you feel like changing it, that would be great.
12:35:38< RangerRick> yeah, I can mess with it some
12:35:54< chris01> also, the gnome page is still not moved.
12:39:32< Murr> hmm, I wonder how accurate the GasPriceWatch widget really is
12:39:48< Murr> they list regular in the 70130 ZIP code as $2.30
12:43:44 * akh should download that
12:48:31< akh> Murr: The price for the station near where I live is right--but I'm pretty sure the one nearest my work isn't.
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12:50:46< Murr> and the price for teh 70130 ZIP code definitely isn't
12:51:20< akh> Maybe there's some stations that haven't updated skewing the resutls.
12:51:23< akh> results.
12:51:57< Murr> point is that noe of the stations in that ZIP code are likely to be operational at all
12:53:39< akh> Ah--bit slow on the uptake here.  ;-)
12:53:55< akh> (And I didn't use the USPS Zip verifier widget)
12:54:24< akh> Guess the price could be the same even if the available quantity is 0.  :-)
12:54:44< Murr> same for Biloxi, Miss.
12:54:54< Murr> I would think that some stations there are operationsal
12:55:04< Murr> but prices listed are around $2.40
12:56:01 * RangerRick is updating the gnome wiki page
12:56:04< akh> Whomever does the price reporting must be otherwise occupied.
12:56:11< akh> RangerRick: Cool.
12:59:32< akh> hmm...I didn't realize that I didn't have bundle-kde installed.  Just when I think I'm out they drag me right back in...
13:00:23< Murr> hah
13:00:27< Murr> dept of false hopes
13:00:53< akh> At least I've built the most nasty, time-consuming parts of it.
13:00:53< Murr> I read "Australian Science Makes the Regenerating Mouse" and was hoping for a Mouse that could reverse my RSI
13:01:10< Murr> instead it's just a stoopid rodent with superpowers
13:01:15< akh> D'oh!
13:01:35< akh> That would have been a huge seller, too.
13:01:44< Murr> they better keep a good eye for those, building traps might be difficult
13:02:27< Murr> I'm imagining a Mouse like the X-Man Wolverine
13:02:43< Murr> Trap breaks its neck, it crawls out & regenerates
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13:03:56< akh> And they definitely should avoid the adamantium skeletons on those.  ;-)
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13:04:49< Murr> actually there ARE scarier thoughts
13:04:56< Murr> the Pyro mouse, e.g.
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13:05:07< akh> Yup.
13:05:19-!- cirdan [n=chris@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit]
13:05:26< Murr> or the Rogue mouse
13:05:28-!- cirdan [n=chris@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #fink
13:05:40< Murr> regenerates by sapping someone's life energy
13:06:40< akh> That'd suck for the cat.  :-)
13:07:55< Murr> cats would have tons of fun with Bightcrawler mice
13:08:15< Murr> sure, they'd never catch one, but hunting them would keep them busy forever
13:08:58< akh> heh
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13:12:22< Murr> ah no, I think it's Toad mice I'm thinking of
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13:43:18 * akh wonders where all the n00bs are.  Back in school or something?
13:44:34< zizban> around here, yes
13:44:42< zizban> started today and tomorrow
13:48:30< gecko2> how can i force a complete rebuild of override.db, proxies.db and the shlibs.db ?
13:50:21< akh> gecko2: From a HEAD fink possibly 'fink index --full'
13:50:36< gecko2> not realy
13:50:41< akh> I wasn't sure.
13:50:45< gecko2> i moved the old one in an other folder
13:50:57< gecko2> but a --full didn't created them
13:51:08< akh> hmm
13:51:37< gecko2> a full oly created the finkinfodb and the index.db
13:51:45< gecko2> only*
13:53:03< gecko2> (0.24.99.cvs-20050831.132)
13:54:19< akh> hmm...I don't even have a shlibs.db anywhere.  I've got finkinfodb, index.db, and override.db (0.24.99.cvs-20050901.1842)
13:55:20< gecko2> hmm, or is the shlibs.db an old now unused part of fink?
13:55:54< gecko2> -rw-r--r--   1 root  fink    41600 29 Aug 06:56 shlibs.db <-- well the lastchange date isn't very old
13:56:14< gecko2> -rw-r--r--   1 root  fink  2447805 31 Aug 13:27 proxies.db <-- same here
13:56:40< gecko2> except that the use of the proxies.db isn't realy clear on the first view
13:56:46< gecko2> really*
13:57:10 * gecko2 looks in the changelog
14:02:43< gecko2> ahhhhh
14:03:09< gecko2> 2005-08-26: * Shlibs.pm: Don't use a DB, since it the shlibs list needs to be regenerated so often (every time a package is installed or removed!). Instead re-generate on demand, like Fink::Status.
14:03:38< gecko2> yea, but a --full should make the demand
14:03:53< gecko2> but it looks like, that it doesn't do that
14:03:54 * akh thought I lost my -shlibs stuff for a minute there. ;-)
14:04:44< gecko2> hm, looks like the -full command isn't complete yet =)
14:05:06< akh> I'm not too surprised.
14:05:33< gecko2> hehe
14:05:50< gecko2> well, now for what is the proxies.db file for? =)
14:06:01 * gecko2 starts searching the fink source =)
14:09:58 * zizban wonders if he'll regret scheduling two appoints in east longmeadow on the same day
14:10:10< akh> Probably.
14:10:28< zizban> its only 60 miles from my office
14:10:30< zizban> :P
14:11:25< akh> Are they close together in time?
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14:12:17< akh> It would be bad if you had to do it twice in one day.
14:12:32< zizban> 2 hours apart but I space them out because I have to actually my way to both
14:12:49< zizban> find my way
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14:13:10< akh> Probably about as good as you can get, then.
14:13:14 * zizban is looking forward to a fun day in east longmeadow
14:13:16< zizban> yepper
14:13:30< akh> Is there such a thing? :-)
14:13:52< dmacks> akh: I think we're fully mirgated to wiki@od
14:13:57< zizban> heh
14:14:01< akh> dmacks: cool.
14:14:07< dmacks> We're also mi_gr_ated.
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14:14:21< akh> Also cool.  ;-)
14:14:41< dmacks> You agree, RangerRick?
14:17:28< dmacks> Is this thing official and stable enough to be linked from Fink@SF?
14:17:59< zizban> that's two different things
14:18:05< zizban> official AND stable
14:18:07< zizban> :)
14:18:36< dmacks> Yup:) We need both. Although "at least as stable as the rest of fink's web services" isn't much of a hurdle:(
14:18:42< zizban> heh
14:19:29 * akh is playing with the numbering/bulleting on the 10.4 Tree page.
14:19:48< RangerRick> dmacks: I think so, yeah
14:19:56< dmacks> akh: Is fun, no?
14:20:16< akh> dmacks:  not too bad--I figured it out pretty quickly.
14:20:37< dmacks> Faster than I figured out tables and heading/TOC issues prolly.
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14:25:40< akh> chris01: Check out the new http://wiki.opendarwin.org/index.php/The_10.4_tree
14:25:59< akh> (I figured out how to nest bullets inside the numbered list)
14:25:59< chris01> akh: wow! I am impressed!
14:26:17< akh> #* and #** did the trick
14:26:35< chris01> i see
14:27:29< akh> I guess it's all migrated now.
14:28:01< chris01> that was pretty quick...
14:29:01< akh> RangerRick must have had a slow day at work--I didn't do anything myself.
14:29:15< RangerRick> I only did gnome, and added the categories to all the paages
14:29:27< RangerRick> vim did the heavy lifting of translating the tables from the other wiki format  :)
14:29:32< akh> heh
14:29:51< akh> We probably need to put in the back-links like chris01 did for the 10.4 tree page.
14:30:06< akh> Silly nonhierarchical wiki.  ;-)
14:30:18< RangerRick> well, I made category:Fink redirect to the main fink page
14:30:29< RangerRick> so anything with category7:fink in it will have a backlink
14:30:33< akh> Ah
14:30:37< RangerRick> Category:Fink that is
14:30:47< RangerRick> although that doesn't give one at the top, I suppose...
14:31:04< akh> Can't have too many links back, IMO
14:31:21< akh> Since I know who's going to get flak about it.
14:33:16< zizban> you?
14:33:42< akh> Most likely, yes.
14:34:00< RangerRick> :)
14:34:16 * RangerRick is asking on the mediawiki page if there's a template link to put the category list at the top too
14:34:30< RangerRick> s/page/channel/
14:34:31< akh> cool
14:41:00< cirdan> yoyo
14:41:03< cirdan> hey RangerRick 
14:41:46< RangerRick> howdy cirdan 
14:42:55 * akh likes the section edit stuff.
14:43:26< cirdan> anyone good at regexes?
14:43:34< cirdan> or even ok?
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14:44:36< Airo> I know something
14:44:40< Airo> Canät promise anything
14:44:44< Airo> can't even
14:44:46< cirdan> vasi.
14:44:53< cirdan> ever use mp3/media rage?
14:44:57< Airo> jope
14:44:59< Airo> nope :)
14:45:07< Airo> Typoing a lot tho
14:45:20< cirdan> heh
14:45:37< cirdan> mediarage can use a regex to parse a filename and make media tags
14:46:12< cirdan> HP1_Dsc_02_Trk_01.mp3 is such a filename
14:46:18< Airo> ok
14:46:48< cirdan> i need a regex for it...
14:47:02< Airo> There are some really good manuals for it
14:47:12< cirdan> then i can have $#=$3 for the disc # and so on
14:47:59< Airo> but like /(.*)_(.*)_(.*)/
14:48:22< Airo> And then you good relate to them with \0 \1 and \2 etc
14:48:46< cirdan> it uses the PCRE regex engine, or something like that
14:48:55< Airo> I think I always used this http://www.regular-expressions.info/
14:49:06< Airo> Then that's a good one
14:49:26< cirdan> ah
14:49:27< cirdan> hmm
14:49:43< Airo> There's all you need, me thinks
14:52:16< RangerRick> /^(.+?)_(.+?)_(\d+)_(.+?)_(\d+).mp3$/
14:52:19< RangerRick> /^(.+?)_(.+?)_(\d+)_(.+?)_(\d+).mp3$/
14:52:20< vasi> cirdan, if you already have metadata for something (ie: ID3 tags) that's usually the best way to do things :-)
14:52:34< vasi> akh, thanks for keeping the wiki going :-)
14:52:41< RangerRick> yeah
14:52:44< cirdan> vasi: there is no metadata, i wanna automate adding it
14:52:48 * RangerRick would love to move the documentation to it, really
14:52:49< cirdan> there's like 1k files
14:52:54< akh> vasi: No problem.
14:53:04< Airo> was .+? many chars or 0-1?
14:53:04< cirdan> RangerRick: no more need for the faq anyway :-)
14:53:07< RangerRick> would be really nice to document each of the Fields: and have them show in the category list, be searchable, etc.
14:53:22 * cirdan usually doesn't like wiki's though
14:53:45< akh> For now we can stick to having the two be separate.
14:53:58< RangerRick> I didn't used to
14:54:03< RangerRick> but I'm really learning to like them the more I use them
14:54:08< RangerRick> perfect for community stuff
14:54:15< zizban> yepper
14:54:30< vasi> .+? is one or more characters, preferably less
14:54:34 * akh started one for work--we use it to upload files that go over the mail server limit.
14:54:41< vasi> akh, is the gnome page gonna be movable though?
14:54:51< akh> vasi: In what sense?
14:55:13< chris01> akh: we are still missing the incremental indexing page in the new wiki. I am moving it right now.
14:55:31< vasi> oh wow, you already managed it, i'm impressed
14:55:35< cirdan> hehe
14:55:37< RangerRick> akh: at work we use ours for all kinds of stuff, requirements docs, tracking projects, etc.
14:55:40< vasi> heh, that's a silly way to use a wiki
14:56:24< akh> We do other stuff too--I have a hierarchical tasklist (which really needs updating).
14:56:29< RangerRick> it's nice because anyone can add their comments/etc a project doc without lots of "oh, you have the old version of the word doc"
14:56:34< akh> Yup
14:56:50< vasi> hey cirdan, weren't you working on a new bug tracking system?
14:56:55< cirdan> yeah
14:57:00< cirdan> fink.sf.net/bugs
14:57:10< akh> RangerRick: especially when people don't do revision control.
14:57:12< cirdan> cmdline interface too
14:57:19< vasi> the SF.net trackers are really annoying
14:57:28< vasi> yeah, wiki's great for that kinda stuff
14:57:29< cirdan> yup
14:57:56< vasi> oh it's the debian thing?
14:58:05< cirdan> yeah\
14:58:14< cirdan> it's 97% ready
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14:59:03< vasi> alright i've got class, see y'all later
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14:59:38< chris01> akh: any other pages missing?
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14:59:49< akh> I'm not sure.
15:01:01 * akh added a page for people to put their requests for documentation:  http://wiki.opendarwin.org/index.php/Documentation_Jottings
15:03:27< akh> chris01: I think that's it--that looks like the only relevant page that wasn't on the top-level
15:04:51< akh> Hmm:  http://ct.zdnet.com.com/clicks?c=417747-1393310&brand=zdnet&ds=5&fs=0
15:06:06< akh> (Looks like MA is going to OpenDocument for records)
15:07:41< akh> I wonder if I could start refusing MS Office attachments...
15:07:45< akh> ;-)
15:08:44< akh> (unfortunately MIT isn't a state school, so I probably can't)
15:08:47< cirdan> hehe
15:08:50< cirdan> do it anyway
15:08:58< cirdan> require all .bz2 latex docs ;-)
15:09:23< RangerRick> got some help on making templates
15:09:27< RangerRick> you just add "[[Fink|Fink wiki main page]]
15:09:30< RangerRick> erp
15:09:38< RangerRick> add "{{Fink_Header}}" to the top and bottom of the page
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15:10:06< akh> cirdan: A good number of the docs I get _are_ tex files already (generally uncompressed)
15:10:37< cirdan> :-)
15:10:38< akh> But /me got flak for posting a gzipped tar archive on the Wiki because our Windows machines couldn't open it.
15:10:38< cirdan> nice!
15:10:44< cirdan> hah
15:10:48< cirdan> winrar can
15:11:02< akh> Yeah--nobody installed it.
15:11:24< akh> And I'm not providing IT support for Windows.  ;-)
15:11:59< akh> later, all
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15:13:01< RangerRick> werd, all updated to use Fink_Header now
15:14:15< RangerRick> which you can edit by editing Template:Fink_Header
15:16:33< Amgine> Anytime, RangerRick.
15:16:44< RangerRick> :)
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15:20:21< cirdan> hey RangerRick it doesnt seem to work too well, the regex
15:20:23< cirdan> here's an example
15:20:45< cirdan> (\d+)\s*-\s*(.+)\s*-\s*(.+)\s*-\s*(.+)
15:21:01< cirdan> for 03-artist-album-title
15:21:12< RangerRick> I gave a regex that matched the file you said (or should)
15:22:03< RangerRick> can't speak for how they do it
15:22:13< cirdan> yeah, and they have like no docs on it :-(
15:22:30< cirdan> know what the \s* is for?
15:22:30< cirdan> spaces?
15:22:54< RangerRick> yes
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15:28:52< dmacks> split() is prolly more efficient than capturing results from the regex
15:29:05< cirdan> dmacks: this is in the program mediarage
15:29:30< dmacks> Oh, you're trying to understand, not write something from scratch?
15:29:38< cirdan> yeah
15:29:45< cirdan> just make a regex to match parts of the filename
15:33:19< dmacks> If I'm trying to parse fields separated with a consistent delimiter, split() is lots easier to write and understand also:)
15:35:24< dmacks> Someting like: my($track,$artist,$album,$title) = split /\s*-\s*/, $string
15:39:50< dmacks> bbraun: distfiles-msgs list distribution is working again. Thanks!
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15:43:10< newmanbe> Uh oh.
15:43:22< newmanbe> I've gotten to the point when people asign me work when I'm not here...
15:43:41< dmacks> It's an honor, no?
15:44:31< newmanbe> I'm not sure...
15:46:35< newmanbe> Bah, I made irssi change the color for a channel I'm an op in to test, now it logs everything that is said to window 1.
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16:17:15< newmanbe> Sigh, OpenDarwin totally needs a Gopher-based Wiki.
16:17:33< Amgine> Gopher-based?
16:17:46< newmanbe> Amgine: You new here? :)
16:18:03< Amgine> I'm not really here... I'm with Wikimedia Foundation sorta...
16:18:14< newmanbe> Ah.
16:18:58< Amgine> I'm somewhat familiar with the software, and willing to be an IRC faq on it.
16:19:06< newmanbe> Well, if I was a mean person, I'd tell you that the World Wide Web is the worst thing to happen to the Internet and that the Wikimedia Foundation is not helping.
16:19:16< newmanbe> But good thing for you, I'm not. ;)
16:19:24< newmanbe> Amgine: Gopher is not software.
16:19:38< Amgine> <chuckle> I happen to agree. Gopher, iirc, is a protocol.
16:19:39< newmanbe> It is the only common place standardized virutal file system.
16:20:23< dmacks> Amgine: Ah.../me was trying to figure out who this unknown person was editing the fink wiki:)
16:20:50< Amgine> <considers> I don't believe file-based wikis are very robust.
16:21:09< newmanbe> Gopher does not have to be file-based.
16:21:22< newmanbe> I know a server that is at least partly uses MySQL.
16:21:27< Amgine> I was just creating an example, dmacks. You have, btw, taken over that wiki very nicely. Way more than 50% of the articles.
16:21:43< dmacks> heh:)
16:22:28< Amgine> <nod @ newmanbe>
16:22:49< newmanbe> And I'm not sure what considers means by robust.
16:23:22< dmacks> We're using it especially as a whiteboard for on-going development, which is on-going in many different directions.
16:23:25< Amgine> Well, speed, efficiency, and ability to push the hardware to its maximum.
16:24:13 * newmanbe laughs at someone saying that Gopher doesn't have speed.
16:24:53< dmacks> Given its current lack of widespread support in software, the speed is often zero.
16:25:05< dmacks> That's bad.
16:25:06< newmanbe> dmacks: Gecko supports it.
16:25:08< cirdan> or oo
16:25:22< Amgine> I'm not saying it doesn't have speed. I don't know. But when you describe it as a virtual file system I have to wonder.
16:25:23< cirdan> i used to like gopher
16:25:23< newmanbe> And who cares if they are using Microsoft Internet Explorer? ;)
16:25:32< newmanbe> cirdan: oo?
16:26:20< dmacks> gopher rocked. Then http+html rocked much harder.
16:26:33< newmanbe> Amgine: The file system information is transmited in plain text with a fairly short line per directory/link/movie/sound/image.
16:26:44< newmanbe> Or even HTML if you really want it to.
16:27:00< Amgine> Yes. And how quickly can the hd respond?
16:27:09< cirdan> newmanbe: inf.
16:27:10< cirdan> :-)
16:27:15< newmanbe> Inf?
16:27:28< cirdan> infinity
16:27:29< cirdan> bah
16:27:32< cirdan> !ga newmanbe 
16:27:32< Melian> newmanbe sucks...  :-p
16:27:45< newmanbe> Melian: forget ga
16:27:45< Melian> newmanbe: i didn't have anything called 'ga' to forget
16:27:51< cirdan> mwahahaha
16:27:57 * newmanbe wonders how it is you implemented that.
16:28:06< cirdan> ]:-D
16:28:18< newmanbe>  /join #blootbot
16:28:23< newmanbe> Heheh. :)
16:28:36< cirdan> i still won't tell ya
16:28:37< dmacks> That'd confuse the hell out of my deaf friends.
16:28:47< newmanbe> dmacks: What would?
16:28:50< cirdan> dmacks?
16:28:59< dmacks> Beginning a sentence with "ga"
16:29:11< cirdan> oh
16:29:12< cirdan> hah
16:29:24< newmanbe> I'm sure it is some mean acronym or something.
16:35:24< cirdan> !wtf ga
16:35:26< Melian> Gee...  I don't know what ga means... 
16:36:17< newmanbe> cirdan: Of your own invention I meant.
16:37:00< cirdan> newmanbe: you were the once that gave it to Melian in the first place
16:37:05< cirdan> i think it was go away or something
16:37:43< newmanbe> I have no idea what you are talking about.
16:37:53< newmanbe> All lies! Lies from a Gopher traitor!
16:39:21< cirdan> :-p
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16:54:36< newmanbe> !alicekill fink
16:54:36< Melian> I want to kill fink, I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill fink. Kill. I wanna see fink's blood and gore and guts and have fink's veins in my teeth.  Eat fink's dead burnt body.  I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL! and I jump around with newmanbe, yelling "KILL, KILL"
16:54:45< newmanbe> It is compiling an httpd!
16:54:54< newmanbe> And not even telling me!
16:54:58< newmanbe> Well, it might have.
16:55:12< newmanbe> It could be the apr thing that has been giving me a headache.
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17:14:29 * newmanbe tacks a wack at apr.
17:14:40< newmanbe> I mean chris01.
17:14:51< newmanbe> Cause of my problems the whole time.
17:15:13< newmanbe> It wouldn't have been at all possible to allow a package and it's crypto varient for a Depends:.
17:17:28< mcp> evening
17:17:40< newmanbe> mcp: Hello.
17:18:21< mcp> anyone using kde 3.4.2 on tiger? I experience many segfaults all over the place, kdeinit, kwin, kmail and so on
17:18:39< newmanbe> No, I rarely ever use X11.
17:18:54< newmanbe> You'd have to ask RangerRick when he is not RangerAway.
17:19:08< RangerAway> the only segfault I've seen is kaddressbook which is a known issue which I'm working on
17:19:14-!- RangerAway is now known as RangerRick
17:19:25< RangerRick> if it's all segfaulting, something's seriously wrong
17:19:28< mcp> hmm
17:19:30< RangerRick> do you get any crash logs?
17:19:33< mcp> yes
17:19:44< mcp> in kmail for example, edit an account *boom* segfault
17:20:02< mcp> compiled with xcode 2.1's gcc4
17:20:11< RangerRick> gcc4??
17:20:15< RangerRick> how are you doing that?
17:20:40< RangerRick> fink's kde is still built with 3.3
17:20:50< mcp> ok, then gcc3 ;)
17:20:58< RangerRick> (phew)
17:21:10< RangerRick> kmail (and anything else that links kaddressbook) is part of that known issue
17:21:22< RangerRick> kdeinit and kwin are a whole other matter
17:21:22< mcp> where do you set that? I don't see a GCC line in the info files
17:21:54< RangerRick> it's got GCC: 3.3 in all of them that I'm aware of, if not it's a bug  :)
17:21:59< mcp> ok
17:22:00< mcp> :)
17:22:00< RangerRick> also   export CC=gcc-3.3 CXX=g++-3.3
17:22:10< mcp> k
17:22:49< mcp> .oO(it would be nice if Firefox native would be as fast as firefox in x11 ;( )Oo.
17:23:18< mcp> RangerRick: did you find the error why kmail and anything that links to kaddress segfaults?
17:23:18< RangerRick> damn, kaddressbook is still crashing in gpgme
17:23:27< mcp> ok
17:23:28< mcp> :)
17:26:36< mcp> btw, i've got an built error with koffice
17:26:45< mcp> don't have that handy right now :(
17:27:15< RangerRick> mcp: something about libkvcard?
17:27:30< RangerRick> if so, selfupdate
17:27:34< mcp> yep, if I remember correctly
17:28:15< mcp> k
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17:30:06< mcp> codeman@pbook:[/Users/codeman] # dpkg -l|wc -l
17:30:07< mcp>      645
17:30:09< mcp> and it grows ;)
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18:09:29< dmacks> RangerRick: Youmaybe wanna add a Wiki page about this system-openssl thing and how a maintainer can write a merged package (Provides/Depends/whatevers to give a decent upgrade path)?
18:09:49< RangerRick> dmacks: sure
18:09:55< dmacks> Thx.
18:10:59 * RangerRick realizes his dpkg package accidentally depends on libgettext3-dev instead of -shlibs  ;)
18:11:17< dmacks> A perfect testing ground for my new IBD alternative!
18:11:54< RangerRick> you've got IBD working?
18:12:02< dmacks> *alternative*
18:12:18< RangerRick> which is?
18:12:35< dmacks> http://wiki.opendarwin.org/index.php/InheritedBuildDepends#Alternate_solution
18:12:39< newmanbe> RangerRick: He can't tell you Mr. Wacko-Elitist Potty Mouth.
18:12:56< RangerRick> newmanbe: go to hell!
18:12:56< RangerRick> :)
18:13:19< RangerRick> dmacks: I'd originally proposed that, but I think max (or maybe drm?) shot it down
18:13:26< RangerRick> if it was max, maybe this time we can do it  ;)
18:13:33< RangerRick> oh
18:13:35< dmacks> I can't believe you saw fit to speak to him even enough to say that.
18:13:44< RangerRick> I remember why you can't do it
18:14:03< RangerRick> foo-dev depends on gettext-dev
18:14:05< dmacks> Hmm...was before my'n'vasi's time.
18:14:22< RangerRick> when you try to build something that builddepends on libgettext3-dev, it can't remove gettext-dev
18:14:27 * newmanbe wonders what timezone the gopher server is keeping its logs in.
18:14:32< RangerRick> it breaks replacing dev packages
18:14:37< newmanbe> Oh wait, it's the first today.
18:14:48< newmanbe> Activity on the Gopher server!
18:15:03< newmanbe> Reading ever log for fink.
18:15:10< dmacks> libgettext3-dev:Replaces/Conflicts:gettext-dev no?
18:15:14< newmanbe> Quite a few times at that...
18:15:18< RangerRick> dmacks: yes
18:15:23< RangerRick> and then dpkg tries to remove it
18:15:29< RangerRick> but won't because something still depends on it
18:15:49< dmacks> Nope...fink would have already removed whatever depends on it.
18:16:03< dmacks> (see first *done* item in "implemenation plan"
18:16:29< RangerRick> hm
18:16:45< RangerRick> which breaks "useful for people using Fink to install -dev for their own (!fink) uses"
18:16:57< RangerRick> since we remove packages out from under them
18:17:39< dmacks> It'll make fink *more* useful (vs the current very-difficultly-useful). And it will prompt before doing this
18:19:29< dmacks> (given that BD already removes packages out from under them, at least this will give them consistent sets)
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18:34:52< cirdan> yo
18:37:14< dmacks> eh?
18:44:53< dmacks> meh
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18:45:49< cirdan> hey drm
18:46:05< drm> hi cirdan
18:46:17< drm> pogma, you awake?
18:46:34< cirdan> yup
18:46:36< cirdan> he is
18:47:45 * drm needs pogma's libtool expertise
18:48:07< pogma> hi
18:48:56< drm> pogma, i'm finally getting back to something from last fall: making a libiconv package which behaves properly no matter the status of gettext
18:49:14< drm> pogma: you might remember this, because you helped me with the version of it I had last fall
18:49:58< drm> what we do is build gettext during the building of libiconv and force linking to the just-built copy
18:49:59< pogma> yeah, build both in one .info file, one of them twice
18:50:20< drm> and there was some magic to get it to not relink, which you supplied
18:50:54< drm> anyway, today i am back to this, trying to make it work with the lastest libiconv (under the theory that if i am doing it, i might as well update)
18:51:03< drm> but the "don't relink" magic isn't working
18:51:18< drm> which i'm assuming means that they are using a different version of libtool than before
18:51:30< pogma> Hmm, what libtool version?
18:51:41< cirdan> hmm
18:51:44< drm> (the trick before was to replace relink_commands with nothing, in .la files)
18:51:45< cirdan> anyone here use php5?
18:51:49< drm> pogma: how do I tell?
18:52:20< pogma> ./libtool --version
18:52:35< drm> bah, that's too easy :)
18:52:39< drm> 1.5.10
18:52:52 * cirdan needs the magic for the config files
18:53:00< pogma> okay, that doesn't relink on darwin anyway
18:53:31< drm> well, i im getting "warning: remember to run 'libtool --finish /fink/lib"
18:53:37< pogma> ignore it
18:53:43< drm> and then it is linking something during "make install" which fails
18:53:49< drm> becuase it finds the wrong copy of the lib
18:53:50< pogma> eek
18:54:27< pogma> put it in exp somewhere and I will look a little later (gotta shower, put clothes on and so on sometime)
18:54:28< drm> there is a strange line...half a sec
18:54:37< drm> pogma: will do
18:58:19< drm> pogma: ok, its in experimental/dmrrsn/libiconv.info (for reference, the old one from last fall is still at experimental/dmrrsn/base/libiconv.info)
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19:16:15 * akh has the vague urge to subscribe people who post frequently to the lists but aren't subscribed.
19:16:52< akh> On 'no mail' of course.
19:19:15< newmanbe> akh: So volunteering be to do work now are you?
19:19:34< cirdan> akh: not a bad idea
19:24:53< akh> I'll start keeping records now and if somebody posts twice they're subscribed.
19:25:31< akh> newmanbe:  It's actually _less_ work:  I'll be able to assume more of the message queue is SPAM and not bother reading it for content.
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19:28:37< newmanbe> akh: I was talking about the wiki.
19:30:27< akh> newmanbe: ah--I had a parse error on your sentence.  ;-)
19:30:46< akh> I figured since you did the first MW conversion.
19:30:51< akh> ..
19:31:01< akh> But it's pretty much all moved now.
19:31:11< akh> Feel free to contribute in any case.
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20:02:06< akh> hmmm...mailing lists seem lagged...
20:02:18< akh> (at least for the stuff I moderated through)
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20:04:12< zizban> must be you
20:06:24< akh> must be
20:08:38 * akh can accept that.  ;-)
20:08:58 * newmanbe blames SourceForge.net.
20:09:17< akh> newmanbe:  Most likely.
20:09:26< akh> They're starting to show up now.
20:09:49 * akh is just jonesin' to tell the guy who posted to -core to RTFF
20:11:35< zizban> heh
20:11:41< cirdan> ?
20:11:47 * cirdan looks
20:11:58< akh> I don't have it here yet on gmane
20:12:00< zizban> is it the same guy who went off about whacko elitists?
20:12:10< akh> Nah, just somebody with a broken head
20:12:19< zizban> ah
20:13:11< akh> That one should be "You installed stuff that overwrote your system files, dumbass!  It's not our fault."
20:13:13< newmanbe> zizban: What was the subject/list for that?
20:13:30< zizban> I dunno off hand
20:13:49< zizban> The mail was posted here to mock but I'm not on any lists
20:14:07< newmanbe> You're not!!!!
20:14:14< zizban> hello no, sir :)
20:14:51 * akh can fix that.
20:15:02< akh> ):-)
20:15:15< zizban> heh
20:15:18< akh> But I won't, unless you post twice to a list.
20:15:29< zizban> I appreciate that :)
20:15:46< akh> And you wouldn't _receive_ any mail, anyway.
20:16:18< akh> The "post-only" option is underutilized by the general community IMO.
20:16:18< zizban> woor
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20:25:47< cirdan> grr
20:25:51< cirdan> Melian: ping
20:27:19< cirdan> !botsnack
20:27:20< Melian> cirdan: aw, gee
20:27:37< akh> Seems alive at any rate.
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20:36:12< newmanbe> !gopher
20:36:13< Melian> i heard gopher is like HTTP and anonymous FTP, but better.
20:36:24< newmanbe> !forget gopher
20:36:24< Melian> i forgot gopher, newmanbe
20:36:32< newmanbe> You can have authenticated Gopher.
20:37:27< akh> Authenticated gopher?  Whodathunk it?
20:37:52< newmanbe> Yeah I know. Haven't been able to get it working though.
20:38:31< cirdan> heh
20:38:44< cirdan> newbie:foo@gpher.com
20:40:14< newmanbe> I don't get that.
20:41:11< pogma> user:pass
20:41:20< newmanbe> Ah.
20:45:20< newmanbe> cirdan: A newbie in Gopher doesn't stay one for long. ;)
20:47:35< pogma> 'cause they won't stay for long? :-p
20:51:05< akh> heh
20:51:55< akh> Gopher:  the Betamax of file transfer protocols
20:52:47< akh> newmanbe:  I assume you've read http://www.scn.org/~bkarger/gopher-manifesto
20:55:49-!- RangerRick is now known as RangerAway
20:58:06< akh> hmm...maybe I rejected the message from "broken-head" guy.
21:04:23< pogma> has someone actually installed any 10.4.3 seeds can tell me if DYLD_FALLBACK_LIBRARY_PATH bug is fixed
21:04:39< pogma> radarweb wnats feedback on the bug and I don't feel like downloading seed
21:05:58< newmanbe> I've read the Gopher Manifesto before.
21:07:25< newmanbe> Most of the HTTP links in it are broken.
21:08:43< akh> pogma;  just a sec--I'll reboot my remote machine to my 10.4.3 test drive.
21:09:27< newmanbe> Hmm, talk is cool. No body to use it with but myself though. :(
21:09:36< akh> On the wiki?
21:09:40< newmanbe> 'Cept it's broken for me on Mac OS X.
21:09:48< newmanbe> No, UNIX talk and ytalk and friends.
21:09:53< akh> ah
21:10:16 * akh used to use the VMS "telephone".
21:10:39< newmanbe> Hmm, I have two computers playing music and the radio on all at once.
21:11:23< newmanbe> I'm Lt. Commander Data, Junior!
21:11:57< akh> Are you playing the violin, too?
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21:12:10< newmanbe> No, I've given that up. I play the contrbass now.
21:12:20< newmanbe> 'cept Data's sort'a dead.
21:12:25< akh> Yeah
21:12:43< newmanbe> Because Brent Spiner's a cheap'o.
21:12:48< akh> heh
21:15:23< akh> grr...bless and I aren't getting along.
21:16:12 * akh would prefer not to have to use OSXVnc just to set my boot partition.
21:16:14< newmanbe> Yeah, it must be a fake priest or something. ;)
21:16:38< akh> hah
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21:17:09< newmanbe> RangerAw1y!
21:17:40< akh> Why not?  There's two away incarnations of the Ranger
21:17:56< newmanbe> Hehe.
21:18:00< newmanbe> He's really away.
21:19:57< akh> meh--_had_ to use VNC to set my partition for some reason.
21:20:35< newmanbe> Hmm, I'm going to see if I can get a .app for NeXTStep to compile.
21:21:03< akh> May as well
21:22:10 * akh is bummed:  the GNUStep apps on my Debian box won't work anymore because of freetype2 errors.
21:22:57< cirdan> sucks
21:23:25< newmanbe> akh: It is of course a Gopher client. :)
21:23:43< newmanbe> Hmm, first .Z I've ever gotten.
21:23:58< cirdan> haha
21:24:01< akh> newmanbe:  Can't say that I'm surprised
21:24:19< newmanbe> lol
21:26:32< akh> pogma:  It looks like 10.4.3 does indeed fix it.
21:27:00< akh> (the latest seed anyway)
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21:27:41< akh> Good ol' 8F20
21:28:42< pogma> that's great, thanks akh 
21:28:48 * pogma responds to bug
21:29:08< akh> no problem (other than trying to switch my box remotely)
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21:38:34< akh> Well, on that happy note, I can declare victory and go to bed.
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22:57:55< cougar`> Hey all
22:57:59< cougar`> I can't get fink to build
22:58:11< cougar`> Can't set build lock for links (0.99-2)
22:58:32< drm> !lisppaste
22:58:33< Melian> You can use lisppaste to paste errors at http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink , instead of flooding the channel.
22:58:51< drm> cougar: can you use lisppaste to paste your error msg please?
22:59:08< cougar`> Sure
22:59:11< cougar`> But from where?
22:59:32< drm> as much as you can
22:59:34< cougar`> I guess....
22:59:40< cougar`> Okay, here it goes
23:03:09< lisppaste> cougar` pasted "Build Failure" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/11316
23:03:27< cougar`> That's just cool :P
23:03:58< drm> yeah :)
23:04:20< drm> try "fink remove openssl097-dev"... that should let you continue
23:04:52< cougar`> thanks!
23:05:16< cougar`> Don't I need that?
23:06:09< cougar`> OK running now
23:06:21< drm> the -dev packages are only used for building other packages, and during a big multiple build sometimes there are conflicting -dev packages
23:49:10< cirdan> Melian: dpkg -l foo
23:49:15< cirdan> Melian: -l foo
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