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apt. 08:29:29< akh> trying to overwrite `/sw/share/man/man1/apt-ftparchive.1', which is also in package apt-ftparchive 08:30:10< RangerRick> whups, have to remove those 08:30:30< RangerRick> or do what we were talking about earlier, and use a static libdb to include it in the main apt 08:31:29< chris01> it would be nice to have the -ftparchive functionality in the default apt. 08:31:44< akh> Yeah--especially since it speeds up "scanpackages" so much. 08:31:52< chris01> It really enhances the UseBinaryDist option a lot... especially if you run your own bindist server. 08:31:59< chris01> akh: as you said 08:32:16< akh> heh 08:33:31< chris01> What about moving fink 0.24.10 to stable? Any news? 08:35:51< akh> Haven't gotten any negative feedback specific to 0.24.9 or 0.24.10, so in my opinion, the powers that be should move it. 08:38:20< chris01> "the powers" = drm ? 08:38:44-!- sid77 [n=sid77@host-84-222-58-151.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has quit ["http://slackintosh.workaround.ch/"] 08:40:14< akh> Yup. :-) 08:40:33< RangerRick> technically, any number of us can do it, but drm's been managing the releases, it's best that he knows what's going on :) 08:40:34-!- shreyas [n=sshreyas@59.92.131.52] has joined #fink 08:42:10< akh> Right. 08:46:34-!- sid77 [n=sid77@host-84-222-58-151.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #fink 08:48:37< chris01> drm: were are thou? 08:48:47< chris01> (or something...) 08:49:54< akh> It's only 6:49 where he is, so probably not up yet. 08:50:25-!- shreyas_ [n=sshreyas@59.92.142.103] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:51:28< pogma> He says that he has less fink time during his sabbatical than he had at Duke 08:51:52< akh> Kind of ironic, that. :-) 08:51:56-!- auslander is now known as alejo 08:52:14-!- vasi [n=vasi@modemcable133.147-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #fink 08:52:47< vasi> hi cirdan 08:57:14-!- vasi [n=vasi@modemcable133.147-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has quit ["Client exiting"] 08:59:21< akh> crud---I didn't get a chance to ask vasi about my HEAD fink breakage. 08:59:29< akh> (as last committer) 09:04:24< akh> s/ ask vasi about / blame vasi for / ;-) 09:08:34< akh> w00t! looks like all of the koffice apps work again. 09:09:34< RangerRick> yup 09:09:54< RangerRick> the scary thing is, I'm starting to understand how the kparts are all loaded at the library-level 09:09:55 * RangerRick phears 09:10:22< akh> Yeah--that seems pretty scary all right. 09:13:12 * akh investigates whether kivio or dia will better suit my diagramming needs. 09:15:11-!- shreyas_ [n=sshreyas@59.92.130.124] has joined #fink 09:25:01-!- shreyas [n=sshreyas@59.92.131.52] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:26:22-!- mbroeken [n=broeken@hst32165.phys.uu.nl] has quit [] 09:32:54-!- bbraun [n=bbraun@opendarwin/core/bbraun] has joined #fink 09:33:00< bbraun> pogma? 09:37:17< bbraun> drm, RangerRick, dmalloc? 09:37:30< bbraun> dmacks? 09:40:32< pogma> hi 09:40:45< pogma> 'sup bbraun? 09:41:32< bbraun> hey pogma. I'm wanting to move distfiles from sancho to our new xserve sampson. I can change the dns for distfiles.opendarwwin, but all the various finkmirrors.net and such entries need to be changed. Who do I harass for that these days? 09:41:39< cirdan> hey bbraun 09:41:43< bbraun> hey cirdan 09:42:02< pogma> bbraun: you're going to love the answer 09:42:11< pogma> begins with a d 09:42:11< cirdan> hehe 09:42:19< pogma> ends in malloc 09:42:26< RangerRick> bbraun: eh? 09:42:34< bbraun> howdy RangerRick 09:42:43< RangerRick> sorry, catching up 09:42:50< pogma> sampson, cool! 09:42:51< RangerRick> was responding to your "drm, RangerRick..." :) 09:42:55< bbraun> pogma: ok, I'll dig up his email. it'd be nice if we could make those CNAMEs instead of A's 09:43:15< pogma> bbraun: CC fink-core 09:43:17< bbraun> RangerRick: yeah, was just looking for one of the old fink cronies for the distfiles question. =) 09:43:40< bbraun> pogma: ok. I'm hoping sampson will be fast enough to allow for more distfile fetching runs per day 09:43:45< RangerRick> cool 09:43:57< RangerRick> yeah, don't knwo why they couldn't be cname's 09:44:02< RangerRick> makes more sense 09:44:03< pogma> keep delilah away though 09:44:32< pogma> thus the cc fink-core, maybe dmalloc can be persuaded 09:45:16< bbraun> ya, composing now. thanks. 09:45:37< pogma> thank YOU! 09:45:44< RangerRick> damn, kaddressbook is crashing again 09:45:49 * RangerRick grumbles 09:45:52< RangerRick> I thought I had that fixed :) 09:47:39< pogma> sampson will become www.opendarwin.org? 09:48:08< pogma> can you mail me sancho? :-p 09:48:14< akh> hehe 09:49:56-!- shreyas [n=sshreyas@59.92.132.13] has joined #fink 09:51:49< akh> hmm... 09:51:59< bbraun> pogma: eventually, yeah, it will become www.opendarwin.org. Right now, it's bugzilla.opendarwin.org and wiki.opendarwin.org. I'll be changing dns today to make it distfiles.opendarwin.org and probably fink.opendarwin.org. www will take a while to migrate, since I want to separate out mailman from www. 09:53:35< lisppaste> akh pasted "Depend: on libgettext3-dev ?" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/11266 09:54:40< akh> Wouldn't suck to move the Fink interim wiki, too--I can't reboot my machine ;-) 09:55:26< akh> RangerRick: The lisppaste is re; your experimental dpkg. 09:55:33< pogma> akh: have you actually asked bbraun about moving fink's wiki to an opendarwin machine? :-) 09:56:03< bbraun> sampson! 09:56:17< akh> pogma; not as of yet. 09:56:44< akh> bbraun: Could we set something up? 09:56:49< bbraun> sure! 09:57:33< RangerRick> akh: weird 09:58:16< akh> bbraun: I'm not wedded to the particular environment that I'm using here--it's easy to install and admin, but if I don't have to be in charge of _everything_ then I'd be willing to change to something that's got more oomph to it. 09:59:10< RangerRick> akh: maybe because of the automatic dep stuff 09:59:13< akh> Could be. 10:00:02-!- shreyas_ [n=sshreyas@59.92.130.124] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:00:46< bbraun> akh: I'm not terribly familiar with wikis, but I'd be happy to give you access to what we have. wiki.opendarwin.org is what we already have set up. 10:01:10< bbraun> if that'll work, great! if not, let me know what you need, and we'll see what we can do. 10:04:04< akh> It's probably fine--I've got a MediaWiki environment here but couldn't get the admin setup to work. 10:04:43< akh> I know some folks who hang out here like it. 10:06:45< akh> So, I'd be more than willing to move what I've got over to an appropriate page there. 10:07:28< pogma> yay! fink's wiki moves to opendarwin.org, news at 11 :) 10:07:36< bbraun> hehe. 10:09:17< akh> It would make my life easier--with my PowerBook going into the shop I'm going to need this box able to be rebooted into 10.3 for maintainership stuff. 10:13:39-!- KsiLaptop [n=Obelisk@d14-69-146-222.try.wideopenwest.com] has quit ["leaving"] 10:27:46-!- geewz [n=gregreed@ppp122-142.static.internode.on.net] has joined #fink 10:29:47-!- chris01 [n=chris01@212.126.165.246] has quit ["bye"] 10:46:34-!- sid77 is now known as sid77_ 10:51:09-!- geewz [n=gregreed@ppp122-142.static.internode.on.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 10:56:52-!- alejo [n=tanks@84-72-237-208.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit ["Oops. 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Check the FAQ: http://fink.sf.net/faq || Latest Installers: 0.6.4 (10.2), 0.7.2 (10.3), 0.8.0 (10.4) || Fink 0.24.10: Cameloparadalis 11:09:39-!- Topic set by akh [] [Thu Aug 25 10:00:59 2005] 11:09:39[Users #fink] 11:09:39[ Airo ] [ cmeme ] [ grub_booter ] [ kbroderick] [ Melian ] [ shreyas] 11:09:39[ akh ] [ eno-away] [ gzl ] [ kito ] [ muesli ] [ sid77_ ] 11:09:39[ armenb ] [ Erik____] [ htodd ] [ knghtbrd ] [ newmanbe ] [ swix ] 11:09:39[ bbraun ] [ Fang ] [ jack- ] [ KraMer ] [ pnorman ] [ usata ] 11:09:39[ BleedAway] [ gecko2 ] [ JosephSpiros] [ lisppaste ] [ pogma ] [ ylon ] 11:09:39[ cirdan ] [ gopherd ] [ jtyler_ ] [ mcp ] [ RangerRick] [ zorton ] 11:09:39[ Clef ] [ gopherd_] [ kane-xs ] [ mee_bot ] [ runelind ] 11:09:39-!- Irssi: #fink: Total of 41 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 41 normal] 11:09:40-!- Channel #fink created Sun Aug 3 17:57:20 2003 11:09:48-!- newmanbe_ [n=newmanbe@tor/session/x-eb161c83ec1d7a7a] has joined #fink 11:09:54-!- Irssi: Join to #fink was synced in 17 secs 11:10:48< akh> That'd be cool--would cut down on list mail about "cannot find foo.dylib" errors. 11:11:09< akh> (at least for stuff that's in the bindist) 11:12:32-!- shreyas is now known as shres 11:16:33-!- shres is now known as change-your-nick 11:16:48-!- change-your-nick is now known as shres 11:22:53-!- kbroderick [n=kbroderi@rich-dsl6-236.greenmountainaccess.net] has quit [] 11:27:02-!- regeya [n=shane@adsl-sp3-cdale176.micgi.com] has joined #fink 11:38:43-!- dmacks [n=dmacks@netspace.org] has joined #fink 11:39:08< akh> dmacks: check my -gnome-core message. 11:39:16< akh> Should be easy to fix. 11:40:35< dmacks> akh: The one you suggested was a typo that I don't understand? 11:41:57< akh> The files are getting packed into root-gnome-doc-utils-0.2.2-1.deb, and fink wants to install gnome-doc-utils-0.2.2-1.deb, if I'm reading it correctly. 11:42:10-!- brainsik [n=brainsik@user-0cceshj.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #fink 11:42:17< dmacks> That sounds like HEAD breakage... 11:42:39< akh> Hmmm...could be... 11:42:46< akh> I'll try another package. 11:43:07< runelind> gotta hate the head breakage 11:43:18< dmacks> Or try an older fink...I've already gotten positive feedback about 0.2.1, and 0.2.2 was just a version-bump 11:43:23< akh> It gives me a headache. 11:43:28< akh> (head breakage) 11:43:32-!- nkuttler [n=nkuttler@dsl-084-058-195-240.arcor-ip.net] has joined #fink 11:43:48< dmacks> It's like banging your HEAD against a -Wall ? 11:43:56< akh> dmacks: heh. 11:44:54 * akh can't quite figure out what the guy with "text file busy" errors on -beginners is doing to have that happen. 11:45:08< RangerRick> I think his system is fuxored, personally 11:45:28< akh> Could be. 11:45:36< akh> dmacks: Yup--HEAD breakage. 11:45:43-!- shres [n=sshreyas@59.92.132.13] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:46:00-!- Murr [n=neeri@A17-202-20-71.apple.com] has joined #fink 11:46:46< brainsik> is there any way to set global flag options. for example, I want all of my packages to compile with -faltivec -mcpu=G4 11:47:06< akh> brainsik: hack fink. 11:47:21< RangerRick> and don't expect support in #fink :) 11:47:38< RangerRick> (if a package doesn't work, I mean) 11:47:42< akh> It voids your warranty. 11:48:23< dmacks> akh: *phew* :) 11:48:36< brainsik> i haven't had any problems so far, but i've been manually editing the .info files 11:48:51< akh> dmacks: I guess it's still "easy to fix"--for vasi ;-) 11:48:55< brainsik> for some packages, the difference in speed is ridiculous 11:49:06< dmacks> :) 11:49:25< dmacks> brainsik: Glad to hear it. 11:49:43< cirdan> brainsik: we can't tune to the ptocessor in fink though 11:49:51< cirdan> well, maybe G3 we could... 11:50:13< RangerRick> what would be cool is to have -powerpc-g3.deb and such :) 11:50:25< RangerRick> but deb isn't as flexible about arches as rpm is 11:50:28< brainsik> well, i understand it being unreasonable for the binary packages, but if you are compiling everything from source, it seems reasonable to be able to set some options for your architecture 11:50:32< RangerRick> wouldn't let you switch out 11:50:52< RangerRick> brainsik: one of fink's design goals is to always create the exact same .deb on every system from a given info file 11:50:59< dmacks> brainsik: Fink policy is that every package compiles the same way for everyone everywhere every time. 11:51:37< dmacks> Otherwise debugging and support becomes virtually impossible. 11:51:48< brainsik> hmm, in what sense? since gcc versions and what ./configure finds can be different for different systems 11:52:02< dmacks> So you're welcome to tweak and hack, and then not ask us for debugging and support:) 11:52:46< akh> brainsik: And that's why we only support whatever the official gcc from Apple for each OS is. 11:52:55< dmacks> brainsik: Fink forces ./configure to always find the same things. That's the whole point of dependencies. 11:53:31< brainsik> dmacks: heh, in theory, yes. but fink doesn't track dependencies so well. this isn't like debian, yet. :) 11:53:48< RangerRick> we would welcome dependency bug reports ;) 11:53:59< brainsik> don't worry, i've submitted some 11:54:12< dmacks> Given that fink uses debian tools under the hood... 11:54:27-!- shres [n=sshreyas@59.92.130.28] has joined #fink 11:55:23< akh> Unfortunately it's harder to automate tracking down missing runtime deps than build-deps. 11:56:03< nkuttler> hm, any ideas why i get a "Bus error" when i use mpg123 inside a screen session, but not outside? 11:56:08< dmacks> Conversely, it's exactly has hard in Fink as in any other package manager:) 11:56:58< RangerRick> nkuttler: freaky 11:57:02< RangerRick> some kind of curses bug maybe? 11:57:22< nkuttler> hm 11:57:33< runelind> CURSES 11:57:42< RangerRick> foiled again? 11:57:55< runelind> no, you just said curses bug, so I had to say it loud 11:57:58< runelind> it's the law 11:58:58< nkuttler> according to /usr/include/servers/bootstrap_defs.h it's a BOOTSTRAP_NOT_PRIVILEGED, whatever that means 12:04:40-!- kbroderick [n=kbroderi@rich-dsl6-236.greenmountainaccess.net] has joined #fink 12:05:04< brainsik> So, sometimes using SetCFLAGS has an effect, and sometimes it doesn't. Any ideas about when these flags don't make it the compile phase? 12:05:38< dmacks> They always make it to the compile phase. Whether the package's compile scripts handle it, however.... 12:06:25< brainsik> oh you mean the compile scripts might ignore the environment? 12:07:13< dmacks> Ayup. It's pretty trivial for an upstream author to write a ./configure that doesn't flags as you expect it would. 12:07:26< dmacks> "doesn't *handle* flags" 12:14:53-!- chris01 [n=chris01@84-73-56-45.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #fink 12:19:28-!- nkuttler_ [n=nkuttler@dsl-084-058-194-067.arcor-ip.net] has joined #fink 12:26:07-!- chris01 [n=chris01@84-73-56-45.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:27:41-!- chris01 [n=chris01@84-73-56-45.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #fink 12:29:51-!- nkuttler [n=nkuttler@dsl-084-058-195-240.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:37:42-!- KraMer [n=mark@adsl-70-240-205-240.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:40:39-!- KraMer [n=mark@adsl-70-240-205-240.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #fink 13:06:48-!- chenz [n=chrissi@p548B6A91.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #fink 13:08:23< akh> I guess RangerRick and I reported the same problem in two separate threads. 13:12:53< dmacks> heh 13:13:56< akh> Teach me not to have gmane on auto-update on my newsreader. 13:15:15< bbraun> heh. when the kde stuff fails to fetch from distfiles, it takes hours to fail through all the mirrors and all the distfiles. 13:15:25< akh> Yup. 13:15:54< bbraun> I've been running the distfiles fetching script, and it's been failing through kde for the last 2 hrs. 13:16:31< bbraun> koffice-l10n-sr-1.4.1.tar.bz2 is what it's failing on at the moment. 13:18:07< bbraun> w 13:18:10< bbraun> oops 13:18:20< dmacks> It takes a long time to compile before failing, it should take a long time to fail fetching too. 13:18:31< dmacks> 14:18 up 5 days, 18:39, 3 users, load averages: 0.04 0.09 0.17 13:18:37< dmacks> USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE WHAT 13:18:37< dmacks> macks console - 12:14 2:04 - 13:18:46< dmacks> macks p1 - 12:14 - ssh netspace 13:18:46< dmacks> macks p2 - 14:18 - w 13:18:52< dmacks> HTH:) 13:18:57< bbraun> heh 13:19:40< dmacks> Software Update wants me to reboot after installing a new Safari? WTF! 13:20:05< akh> tell it to shove off 13:20:09< cirdan> gmm 13:20:20< cirdan> anyone know cyrus here? 13:25:54-!- chris01 [n=chris01@84-73-56-45.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit ["Computer went to sleep..."] 13:29:39-!- shreyas [n=sshreyas@59.92.130.191] has joined #fink 13:36:15-!- auslander [n=tanks@84-72-237-208.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #fink 13:39:20-!- shres [n=sshreyas@59.92.130.28] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:40:14-!- sid77_ is now known as sid77 13:40:22< sid77> re 13:40:37< RangerRick> bbraun: looks like they're messed up, just a sec 13:42:15-!- chris01 [n=chris01@84-73-56-45.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #fink 13:42:21-!- chris01 [n=chris01@84-73-56-45.dclient.hispeed.ch] has left #fink [] 13:42:23-!- chris01 [n=chris01@84-73-56-45.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #fink 13:49:01< akh> http://www.theonion.com/content/node/40076 13:50:40< dmacks> heh 13:55:03< dmacks> There he goes again, holding back 10-20 million potential native KDE users. What a wacko elitist! 13:56:29< akh> 10-20 million? Aren't you off by a few orders of magnitude? ;-) 13:56:45< akh> Like 6 13:56:59< akh> Maybe 5 13:57:10< bbraun> 7 13:57:25< akh> hehe--I guess I'm half of that. 13:57:34< dmacks> C'mon akh: Would some ranter with an address @example.com lie to you on a blog? 13:57:52< akh> Certainly not. ;-) 13:58:06< akh> He probably ranted on the KDE wiki as an AnonymousCoward, too. 13:59:40-!- Albie [n=ambs@bl5-163-245.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #fink 14:03:51-!- Albie [n=ambs@bl5-163-245.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Client Quit] 14:04:17-!- shreyas_ [n=sshreyas@59.92.130.141] has joined #fink 14:06:40< RangerRick> hehe 14:06:56 * akh closes a tracker item. 14:07:11< akh> (since I already made the commit) 14:09:21-!- JesseW [n=chatzill@pdpc/supporter/student/JesseW] has joined #fink 14:09:43-!- sid77 [n=sid77@host-84-222-58-151.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has quit ["http://slackintosh.workaround.ch/"] 14:12:06< dmacks> akh: Don't forget Resolution and Assigned-to 14:12:24< akh> Ah, I forgot the latter. 14:14:22< akh> and the former :-( 14:14:35-!- nkuttler_ is now known as nkuttler 14:14:40-!- shreyas [n=sshreyas@59.92.130.191] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:15:05< dmacks> Yeah, SF Trackers are hella well-suited for how we use them 14:19:14-!- Albie [n=ambs@bl5-163-245.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #fink 14:21:51< RangerRick> man, I so hate the tracker interface 14:22:32< dmacks> ...and text formatting, and attachments handling, and searching, and... 14:22:41< bbraun> bugzilla! 14:23:09< RangerRick> internally, bugzilla is a piece of crap, but it's very streamlined for developer use 14:23:20< akh> You guys are never happy. ;-) 14:23:34< dmacks> RangerRick: so it's perfect for fink! 14:24:16< dmacks> If it didn't have a moderately steep learning curve for newbies, I'd have pushed hard for bugzilla long ago. 14:24:59 * dmacks is still quite open to being convinced it's okay 14:25:10< RangerRick> we should use KDE's modification of it 14:25:15< bbraun> I've got a shiny new bugzilla machine at bugzilla.opendarwin.org. ;-) 14:25:16< RangerRick> they put a really nice frontend for reports on it 14:25:21< cirdan> debbugs! 14:25:23< dmacks> kugzilla? 14:25:28< cirdan> there is a simple cmdline client even 14:25:39< cirdan> but it's in python 14:25:50< RangerRick> yeah, or we could start actually using the debian bug system that's on finkproject.org 14:25:52< cirdan> we could even make a simple web frontend... 14:26:04< RangerRick> if cirdan would ever tell anyone about it ;) 14:26:23< dmacks> What's the learning curve like for complete-newbies? 14:26:24< cirdan> if i could get someone to add a few features to reportbug... 14:26:31 * cirdan knows no python 14:26:41< RangerRick> you could consider posting to -core ;) 14:27:02< bbraun> my posts to -core are held for moderation. 14:27:20< dmacks> How (if at all) does bts handle attachments? 14:27:24< cirdan> of course :-p 14:27:39< cirdan> dmacks: it sotres everything as an mbox... 14:27:41< cirdan> iirc 14:27:50< bbraun> hmm. mrtg from 10.4-transitional/unstable is very unhappy with me. 14:27:52< cirdan> i believe it does do attachments 14:28:04< cirdan> postfix doesn't like me 14:29:04 * RangerRick goes to un-plug -core 14:29:12< dmacks> Maybe it's time for a -devel or -core discussion about what we want in a bug-tracker, and whether bts or bugzilla fit the bill? 14:29:52< akh> bbraun: You could always subscribe to -core with the "nomail" option so that you can post but not have to read. 14:30:25< bbraun> it's open subscriber? cool 14:30:31< akh> Yup. 14:30:51< dmacks> akh: Ah, like everyone does with gnome-core 14:31:03< akh> dmacks: exactly. That's what I do. 14:31:07 * dmacks loves write-only memory. 14:32:59< akh> Makes it easy if you don't actually have to accept input. ;-) 14:35:11< bbraun> hmm. 10.4-transitional/unstable mrtg depends on gd, but gd isn't built with gif support, which mrtg needs. 14:36:11< akh> The maintainer's still active. ;-) 14:36:53< akh> (for gd, that is--for mrtg there's apparently RL time constraints) 14:37:23< akh> But the gd maintainer needs to get off his butt and get fink-0.24.10 into stable first. 14:38:59< bbraun> hehe 14:39:03 * chris01 wonders who that would be 14:39:12< akh> heh 14:39:56< bbraun> modifying .info files in place and re-indexing is apparently no longer supported, eh? 14:40:06< akh> Sure it is. 14:41:03< bbraun> my dists link was pointing in the wrong place. 14:41:08< dmacks> heh 14:41:14< akh> That'd do it. 14:42:31< bbraun> the other good news is this problem exists while using the 10.3 tree too. ;-) 14:52:07-!- shreyas_ [n=sshreyas@59.92.130.141] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:59:05< akh> mmm...consistency. 14:59:35-!- newmanbe [n=newmanbe@tor/session/x-0d3a19492825b879] has quit [SendQ exceeded] 15:08:31-!- RangerRick [n=ranger@sifl.motricity.com] has quit ["and away we go!"] 15:09:50< akh> oy--powerbook won't charge, and I forgot my PDA. Maybe I'll have to buy a book to keep me occupied. 15:10:35-!- Albie [n=ambs@bl5-163-245.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:10:39< bbraun> a book without power? 15:10:47< runelind> made out of actual paper? 15:10:50< runelind> inconcievable! 15:11:06-!- JesseW [n=chatzill@pdpc/supporter/student/JesseW] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:11:37< akh> Yup. Or I could play the game on my cellphone that got downloaded accidentally (cost $4.95) by stray keypresses. 15:11:43-!- asparagui [n=billy@mo-71-0-216-7.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net] has joined #fink 15:11:50< akh> My wife said that was amusing when she tried it. 15:12:05-!- nkuttler [n=nkuttler@dsl-084-058-194-067.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:12:12< akh> Or there's the games on the iPod. 15:12:58< auslander> could anyome give me a pointer on how to get over this error while trying to fink install ethereal 15:13:00< auslander> checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables 15:13:00< auslander> ### execution of ./configure failed, exit code 77 15:13:00< auslander> Failed: compiling expat-1.95.8-1 failed 15:13:32 * asparagui battles X11.app. 15:13:41< akh> auslander: http://fink.sourceforge.net/faq/comp-general.php?phpLang=en#basic-headers 15:13:52< auslander> k 15:13:54< akh> (as a first guess) 15:14:02< runelind> akh: too fast for me 15:14:07< runelind> I was trying to find the faq ;-) 15:14:10< asparagui> i can put it into fullscreen with quartz-wm fine...but any other wm and it just dies on startup. 15:15:07< akh> asparagui: Do you have "source /sw/bin/init.sh" in your .sinitrc ? And usually it's been the reverse for me--other wm's do fullscreen OK but quartz-wm isn't happy (but doesn't crash). 15:15:29< asparagui> heheheee. 15:15:32< asparagui> beat me too it. 15:15:34< asparagui> "/Users/skoonce/.xinitrc: line 1: exec: blackbox: not found" 15:15:46< dmacks> Ayup, you gotta load init.sh 15:16:18< bbraun> yeah, I've found all kinds of wacky failures due to init.{c,}sh being used 15:17:13< asparagui> well, i feel dumb for missing that...but proud of myself for figuring the problem out. PEBAK, i guess. 15:18:07< dmacks> Problem Exists Betweek Ass Krack? 15:18:40< asparagui> can't even spell. 15:18:59< bbraun> that's not a very good place to have a problem 15:19:21< akh> heh -- laters 15:19:25-!- akh [n=akhansen@ldx3.psfc.mit.edu] has quit [] 15:19:30< asparagui> problem exists; bring AK. 15:21:32-!- muesli [n=muesli@mail.muehlhaeuser.de] has quit [Connection timed out] 15:21:49< dmacks> *That* would certainly shorten the weekly staff meeting. 15:23:53< asparagui> not so much shorten as level. 15:23:53< bbraun> woohoo. RangerRick's updates to koffice certainly have improved the distfiles fetching. 15:25:41< asparagui> it's so easy to troubleshoot screwy software on my pb. i just wait for the fan to go crazy. 15:25:49< asparagui> and then kill stuff until it stops. 15:27:02-!- KsiLaptop [n=Obelisk@d14-69-146-222.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #fink 15:31:27< dmacks> bbraun: Is the distfiles-msgs mailing list healed? 15:39:53< asparagui> thanks. 15:40:01< asparagui> this seems to have solved all my x11 issues. 15:40:12< asparagui> nothing like deleting and starting over anew. ;-) 15:40:19-!- asparagui [n=billy@mo-71-0-216-7.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net] has left #fink [] 15:51:48-!- chenz [n=chrissi@p548B6A91.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:54:33< auslander> now i got thi error trying to fink install ethereal: 15:54:44< auslander> Can't exec "/usr/bin/install": No such file or directory at /sw/lib/perl5/Fink/Services.pm line 408. 15:54:44< auslander> ### execution of /usr/bin/install failed, exit code -1 15:55:03< auslander> what am i possibly missing now? 15:55:15< dmacks> Does /usr/bin/install exist? Did you forget to install some XCode components? 15:56:08< auslander> si, its that for sure..merci 15:58:04-!- dsias [n=dsias@adsl-068-153-207-210.sip.bct.bellsouth.net] has joined #fink 15:58:07< auslander> but i got them from the developer site and im not sure witch packages i need.. 15:58:26< auslander> trying to minimize the install 16:00:16-!- chris01 [n=chris01@84-73-56-45.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [] 16:05:03< auslander> is the install program part of the devolper tools or of the software dev kits? 16:08:56< dmacks> Dunno (/me not on OS X) The largest component of the install is the docs and examples...the actual compile tool sets are relatively small, so you can either play this game every time or else... 16:13:38< auslander> dmacks, yeap u right...now that im doin' 16:15:24 * dmacks found a 10.3 box with XCode: /Developer is 669MB, of which 520MB is the ADC Reference Library and 86MB is Examples 16:18:43-!- Ksilebo [i=ksilebo@d14-69-146-222.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #fink 16:18:56-!- Ksilebo [i=ksilebo@d14-69-146-222.try.wideopenwest.com] has left #fink ["Nooo..."] 16:21:20< auslander> i had to d/l all that stuff. could be nice to just pack the basic tools for fink to run.. 16:21:21< auslander> ) 16:21:46< dmacks> Shame it's illegal to do so:( 16:24:14< auslander> well like how many torrents and edonkey filez already out there..hehe 16:33:11< dmacks> File a radar with apple that it's a pain having to download 5-10x the size of what you need just to get a local copy of something already available on their website. 16:33:49< knghtbrd> dmacks: it isn't. 16:34:11< knghtbrd> dmacks: gcc is GPL, and the rest of the stuff that fink needs is under similar licenses =) 16:35:26< auslander> uhmm i just installed all (minus the examples) and i still get this: 16:35:28< auslander> Can't exec "/usr/bin/install": No such file or directory at /sw/lib/perl5/Fink/Services.pm line 408. 16:36:01< dmacks> http://developer.apple.com/referencelibrary/ isn't /Developer/ADC Reference Library? 16:38:00 * dmacks was considering that many people may want to compile some stuff, but not nearly as many want to actually *write* prorgams or needs static copy the full API references/etc. 16:39:34< dmacks> auslander: I'm guessing you still don't have /usr/bin/install (i.e., this is a symptom of Apple's maorly broken Installer.app or trouble figuring out which .pkg to install)? 16:41:13< auslander> i have installed all..from: 16:41:27< auslander> XcodeTools.mpkg 16:42:48 * dmacks has no Tiger XCode here. 16:43:25< auslander> i will try: 16:43:27< auslander> MacOSX10.4.Universal.pkg 16:43:51< auslander> <200megas...lets see 16:45:49-!- Fang [n=Fang@2002:56c2:62e0:1:0:0:0:1] has quit ["Et alors la marmotte, elle met le chocolat dans le papier d'alu."] 16:48:29-!- regeya [n=shane@adsl-sp3-cdale176.micgi.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:01:16-!- nkuttler [n=nkuttler@dsl-084-058-195-096.arcor-ip.net] has joined #fink 17:11:16-!- stephano [n=stephano@wb8.powerschool.com] has joined #fink 17:11:58< auslander> same thing: 17:12:03< auslander> Can't exec "/usr/bin/install": No such file or directory at /sw/lib/perl5/Fink/Services.pm line 408. 17:12:03< auslander> ### execution of /usr/bin/install failed, exit code -1 17:12:03< auslander> Failed: installing expat-1.95.8-1 failed 17:12:05< auslander> ( 17:20:57-!- stephano [n=stephano@wb8.powerschool.com] has quit ["There's No Place like 127.0.0.1"] 17:22:21-!- RangerRick [n=ranger@cpe-065-190-205-196.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #fink 17:27:51< newmanbe_> auslander: Sounds like you don't have the developer tools installed. 17:27:54-!- newmanbe_ is now known as newmanbe 17:33:13< auslander> newmanbe, i have them, i have installed them from: 17:33:16< auslander> MacOSX10.4.Universal.pkg 17:33:22< auslander> and 17:33:26< auslander> XcodeTools.mpkg 17:33:34< newmanbe> Hmm, that's odd. 17:33:39< auslander> but they dont show up 17:33:50< auslander> at least the install 17:33:54< newmanbe> I would try reinstalling XCodeTools, Apple Installer has a habit of droping things sometimes. 17:34:05< auslander> k 17:34:19< auslander> so 've noticed tonite 17:50:52< auslander> ive reinstalled 5 times now...still same error 17:51:04< auslander> nothing on the fink faq similar to this 17:51:06-!- vasi [n=vasi@modemcable133.147-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #fink 17:51:11< auslander> ( 17:52:32-!- zizban [n=zizban@24-52-0-219.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] has joined #fink 17:52:57< dmacks> newmanbe: Do you have Tiger+XCode installed and /usr/bin/install present? You could try browsing the /Library/Receipts/*/Contents/Archive.bom to see which .pkg has it. 17:57:17< vasi> newmanbe, or check out my bomupdatedb script in experimental/vasi/scripts 17:57:37< auslander> dmacks i have copied it from another partition 17:57:50< auslander> i manged to fink install wget 17:58:03< auslander> now im trying again with ethereal 17:58:16< dmacks> vasi: --trees sounds great! 17:58:25< vasi> :-) 17:58:30-!- zizban [n=zizban@24-52-0-219.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] has left #fink [] 17:58:57< vasi> it was super-easy to implement with the incremental indexing, too 17:59:21< vasi> just restrict the set of .info files we want to load...they're all cached anyhow, so there's no heavy penalty 17:59:48-!- zizban [n=zizban@24-52-0-219.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] has joined #fink 17:59:52< dmacks> sweet 18:00:08< dmacks> akh'n'Ranger found a problem with .deb construction. 18:00:13< vasi> yeah, just fixed it 18:00:34< vasi> akh and jfm found it too 18:00:57< vasi> i've been trying to look at dist-up, but it doesn't seem to compile 18:01:16< vasi> (pssst cirdan, that means YOU!) 18:01:17 * RangerRick is packaging apt-file right now 18:01:39< cirdan> hey vasi 18:01:40< vasi> oh darn, i messed up the tests again 18:01:49< cirdan> it *did* work 18:02:03 * cirdan is still fixing his email 18:02:07< cirdan> almost done, i hopw 18:02:08< cirdan> e 18:02:50< vasi> cirdan, well i cvs upped to your last sync with HEAD, and it didn't compile 18:04:04< vasi> dmacks...in PkgVersion::initialize we have a "die if no 'finkinfo' in path"....how did that *EVER* work for the .info files in t/PkgVersion? 18:04:41< cirdan> ah, so *you* broke it...and now you want me to fix it :-p 18:05:11< vasi> cirdan, behave :-P 18:05:16< vasi> your stuff doesn't *compile* 18:05:27< cirdan> but it did 18:05:51< cirdan> it worked 2.5 weeks ago when i synced it to HEAD then 18:06:23< vasi> well 'cvs up -r dist-up-branch' yielded something that didn't compile, i dunno what you want me to tell ya 18:06:32< cirdan> hmm 18:10:35-!- kbroderick [n=kbroderi@rich-dsl6-236.greenmountainaccess.net] has quit [] 18:15:00< newmanbe> dmacks: I do not have Mac OS X 10.4. 18:23:26< vasi> dmacks, what do ya think we should call the 'fink list' option to show only packages where the version installed is more recent than anything fink knows about? 18:23:51< vasi> !seen Fingolfin 18:23:52< Melian> fingolfin was last seen on IRC in channel #fink, 25d 7h 42m 11s ago, saying: 'so... I guess... no way to undelete files on HFS+.... or is there.... ? '. 18:28:20-!- nkuttler [n=nkuttler@dsl-084-058-195-096.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["leaving"] 18:28:43< zizban> sounds bad 18:29:36< dmacks> "--newer"? Shame -n is taken though:( 18:30:23< dmacks> "--stop-fucking-with-the-trees-when-doing-list"? Oh wait, -s is taken also. 18:33:39< zizban> "---very-new-stuff-happy-now?" 18:35:11< dmacks> We have -o --outdated, maybe -O --overly-new? 18:35:45< zizban> -OMFG-teh-new-packages? 18:36:01< dmacks> How about users just suck it up and do "-i --not-uptodate --not-outdated" 18:36:07< dmacks> zizban: good! 18:36:11< zizban> heh 18:44:52< vasi> ooh capital letters, i didn't think of that 18:45:03< dmacks> We've never taken that route yet. 18:46:15< dmacks> (not that we've ever had any sort of ground-rules or standards...just sayin') 18:47:06-!- vasi is now known as vasiGone 18:48:44-!- muesli [n=muesli@mail.muehlhaeuser.de] has joined #fink 18:52:36-!- auslander [n=tanks@84-72-237-208.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [] 18:53:49-!- KsiLaptop [n=Obelisk@d14-69-146-222.try.wideopenwest.com] has quit ["leaving"] 18:54:01-!- KsiLaptop [n=Obelisk@d14-69-146-222.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #fink 18:54:41-!- KsiLaptop [n=Obelisk@d14-69-146-222.try.wideopenwest.com] has quit [Client Quit] 18:55:20-!- KsiLaptop [n=Obelisk@d14-69-146-222.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #fink 18:55:43-!- KsiLaptop [n=Obelisk@d14-69-146-222.try.wideopenwest.com] has quit [Client Quit] 18:55:57-!- dsias [n=dsias@adsl-068-153-207-210.sip.bct.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 18:57:08-!- KsiLaptop [n=Obelisk@d14-69-146-222.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #fink 18:58:25-!- KsiLaptop [n=Obelisk@d14-69-146-222.try.wideopenwest.com] has quit [Client Quit] 19:00:19-!- KsiLaptop [n=Obelisk@d14-69-146-222.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #fink 19:01:35-!- dmacks [n=dmacks@pdpc/supporter/active/dmacks] has quit ["leaving"] 19:01:40-!- KsiLaptop [n=Obelisk@d14-69-146-222.try.wideopenwest.com] has quit [Client Quit] 19:02:59-!- kbroderick [n=kbroderi@rich-dsl6-236.greenmountainaccess.net] has joined #fink 19:03:27-!- KsiLaptop [n=Obelisk@d14-69-146-222.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #fink 19:07:33-!- vasiGone is now known as vasi 19:07:41-!- KsiLaptop [n=Obelisk@d14-69-146-222.try.wideopenwest.com] has quit [Client Quit] 19:08:30-!- akh [n=akhansen@68-118-244-23.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #fink 19:09:51< akh> hmm..mail from Sourceforge says CVS was improved. 19:11:06< vasi> improved how? 19:11:44-!- dsias [n=dsias@69-167-113-11.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has joined #fink 19:12:09< knghtbrd> it works more often than not now? ;) 19:12:13< zizban> heh 19:13:40< brainsik> CVS should be encased in cement and thrown in the ocean. It's about time to move onto modern day version control. 19:14:02< bbraun> yeah, I love rcs 19:14:08< bbraun> and opensccs 19:14:19< bbraun> then there's cssc 19:14:32< brainsik> modern meant, post-cvs 19:14:45< bbraun> opensccs and cssc are new! 19:14:55< brainsik> never heard of them, are they any good? 19:15:11< bbraun> know about sccs? 19:15:17< brainsik> no 19:15:28 * newmanbe wacks irssi. 19:15:30< bbraun> predates rcs, afaik. 19:15:37< akh> vasi: supposedly more hardware, so I guess faster. 19:15:41< bbraun> but these are new implementations! 19:15:44< newmanbe> bbraun: Hehe. 19:16:17< newmanbe> I follow the syntax just like it says, but does it want to highlight? No! 19:16:41< brainsik> bbraun: sounds really great 19:17:05< newmanbe> Oops, nevermind. 19:17:16< newmanbe> I thought bbraun was saying SourceForge.net predated RFC's. 19:17:25< bbraun> then there's always opencvs. 19:18:12< brainsik> i'm thiking about things like Codeville or Monotone 19:20:27< zizban> BitKeeper 19:20:58-!- beniamino [n=beniamin@adsl-67-126-114-76.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #fink 19:21:22-!- Snaggle [n=nieder@128.252.206.171] has joined #fink 19:21:55< brainsik> zizban: non-free 19:22:02< zizban> no! 19:22:04< zizban> :P 19:22:20< brainsik> i'm saying BitKeeper is non-free 19:22:37< akh> grrr...stupid "index --full" 19:22:41< bbraun> blah, I'm tired of all the scm wars. 19:22:53< brainsik> i'm tired of cvs 19:23:17< zizban> I was kidding 19:24:36< Snaggle> who deals with fink list maintenance? 19:24:56 * zizban points to akh 19:26:11< Snaggle> stoopid sf won't let me subscribe :( 19:26:29< akh> Snaggle: to which list? 19:26:40< Snaggle> beginners, users, devel 19:27:07< akh> /msg me the email address that you want to use and I'll see if I can do it. 19:27:21< Snaggle> ok 19:27:59< vasi> sorry akh 19:28:15< akh> vasi: no problem, really. 19:28:25< akh> Just wanted to gripe. ;-) 19:30:06< Snaggle> stoopid sf doesn't clear its error cache even after I fixed the issue :( 19:30:58< zizban> you particle physicists can be an angry bunch 19:40:36< akh> zizban: Referring to whom? 19:40:46< zizban> You 19:40:49< zizban> :P 19:40:53< akh> ? O 19:41:01< akh> I'm no particle physicist. 19:41:16< zizban> I thought you were, sorry 19:41:30< Snaggle> particle man particle man doing the things that particles can 19:41:46< akh> heh 19:41:47< bbraun> a musician en? 19:41:50< bbraun> eh? 19:48:19< akh> Snaggle, Did subscribing work? 19:48:45< Snaggle> haven't received a welcome message or anything 19:50:10< akh> What's the email address and list?--I can check the subscription register. 19:50:48< Snaggle> I /msg'd the info 19:53:27< akh> hmm--I don't see it. 19:54:41< Snaggle> yeah, when I reply to the verify message, it tells me my domain doesn't have a postmaster@ address, even though it has and dnsreports.com says it works 19:54:53-!- cirdan [n=chris@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:55:16< akh> odd 19:56:19< Snaggle> I hadn't set up postmaster@ when i first tried to subscribe, which is why it failed. But then after I added it, SF is still using its cached failed check 19:59:16-!- cirdan [n=chris@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #fink 20:06:11-!- zizban [n=zizban@24-52-0-219.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] has quit [] 20:07:56< akh> hmmm 20:26:07< Snaggle> akh: I need to go now. I guess I'll know if you got it working if I start getting list mail. Otherwise, I'll try again tomorrow hoping that SF flushed its error cache 20:26:14< akh> OK 20:27:27-!- Snaggle [n=nieder@128.252.206.171] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:27:28< cirdan> hey akh 20:28:41< akh> yah? 20:31:41< cirdan> just saying hi 20:32:21< akh> Ah ; hi :-) 20:35:09-!- gopherd [n=irclogge@tor/session/x-f28001e788ae47f2] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 20:35:12-!- You're now known as gopherd 20:35:22< akh> hmmm...getting to the point now where I might consider a half-upgrade of KDE on my Debian box 20:35:30< akh> that way I can get menus back. 20:35:40< newmanbe> Na, dump X11. 20:35:43< cirdan> heh 20:35:47< cirdan> apt-get upgrade 20:36:03< gopherd> cirdan: That's not right. 20:36:08< gopherd> apt-get install gopherd 20:36:20< akh> cirdan: Yeah, that got me a kdebase-menu (or whatever it's called) for 3.4.2 and nothing else. 20:36:35< akh> (nothing else from 3.4.2 that is) 20:37:41< akh> Problem is that I can't revert to anything other than stable, and that's brutal. 20:38:00< akh> And I can't upgrade yet because the qt update removes some apps I need. 20:38:16< newmanbe> akh: Some things have old stable packages. 20:38:24< newmanbe> So it sounds like stable isn't so stable. 20:38:36< akh> newmanbe: I looked into it--I'd have to remove a lot of stuff that I want. 20:39:01< akh> And I'm not removing X11 on a Linux box! 20:39:13< newmanbe> You should. 20:39:21< newmanbe> Or at least don't start it by default. 20:39:37< akh> Eww--and open openoffice.org docs with what? Emacs? vi? feh! 20:39:51< newmanbe> OpenOffice.org docs? Shame on you. 20:39:55< newmanbe> Plain text all the way. 20:39:59< newmanbe> !lart selfupdate 20:40:00 * Melian pulls out her louisville slugger and uses selfupdate's head to break the homerun record 20:40:15< akh> newmanbe: makes it hard to do graphics. 20:40:18< newmanbe> ### execution of /usr/bin/su failed, exit code 1 20:40:24< cirdan> akh: upgrADE upgrade doesnt remove any packages 20:40:30< cirdan> dist- can, though 20:40:35< newmanbe> Get that when I fink seflupdate. 20:40:43< akh> cirdan, yeah I know--it was a dist-upgrade. 20:40:45< newmanbe> After it goes through the CVS updates. 20:41:09< akh> newmanbe: you probably have a locally modified package. 20:41:14< akh> Remove it. 20:41:34< akh> And it's in the FAQ, so you owe me $25. 20:42:14< newmanbe> A website? 20:42:22< newmanbe> You have to pay me $25 to go to one of those. 20:42:24< newmanbe> !$25 20:42:24< Melian> it has been said that $25 is "Your question is in the existing documentation, so either look it up or pay the project a $25 'annoyance fee'.", or you need to pay newmanbe $25 for visitng any website 20:43:00< akh> Corrupting Melian, I see... 20:43:29< cirdan> !lilosmite newmanbe 20:43:29 * Melian wallops newmanbe with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long. 20:43:58 * newmanbe calls up the lilo Defence Force for the second time today to arrest cirdan. 20:45:23< newmanbe> The FAQ is too long. 20:46:33< newmanbe> I don't see it in the FAQ. 20:52:30< akh> http://fink.sourceforge.net/faq/usage-fink.php?phpLang=en#cvs-busy 20:53:21-!- akh [n=akhansen@68-118-244-23.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:56:31-!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:01:09-!- __jt__ [n=james@69-162-30-40.stcgpa.adelphia.net] has joined #fink 21:11:47-!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has joined #fink 21:12:07-!- beniamino [n=beniamin@adsl-67-126-114-76.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 21:16:39-!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has quit [Client Quit] 21:16:51-!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has joined #fink 21:20:47-!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has quit [Client Quit] 21:20:54-!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has joined #fink 21:25:11-!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has quit [Client Quit] 21:25:25-!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has joined #fink 21:30:04-!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has quit [Client Quit] 21:30:27-!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has joined #fink 21:34:12 * newmanbe pokes lisppaste. 21:34:15< newmanbe> lisppaste: url? 21:34:16< lisppaste> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink and enter your paste. 21:34:21< newmanbe> Hmm. 21:34:40-!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 21:35:09-!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has joined #fink 21:36:40< lisppaste> Apologies for the reconnecting, all. 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