--- Log opened Sat Aug 27 00:00:46 2005 00:11:58-!- z|bandito [n=z@166.205.12.112] has quit [" http://www.earth2willi.com"] 00:12:04-!- newmanbe [n=newmanbe@tor/session/x-20fa3eef8e7bb72a] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:17:30-!- newmanbe [n=newmanbe@tor/session/x-9a99fe4fa73f1d74] has joined #fink 00:58:03< vasi> !seen dmacks 00:58:03< Melian> dmacks was last seen on IRC in channel #fink, 11h 10m 43s ago, saying: 'I think drm expunged py22 from 10.4T/stable. I guess unstable is pretty different.'. 01:03:17-!- runelind [n=mattias@c-67-174-106-90.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:39:33-!- KraMer [n=mark@70.240.205.240] has left #fink ["Leaving"] 01:44:12-!- KraMer [n=mark@adsl-70-240-205-240.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #fink 01:44:50-!- runelind [n=mattias@c-67-174-106-90.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #fink 01:57:24-!- KraMer [n=mark@adsl-70-240-205-240.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has quit ["My hovercraft is full of eels"] 01:57:57-!- KraMer [n=mark@adsl-70-240-205-240.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #fink 02:31:42-!- uncon [i=uncon@corp.efnet.net] has quit ["User disconnected"] 02:32:07-!- uncon [i=uncon@corp.efnet.net] has joined #fink 02:32:24-!- uncon [i=uncon@corp.efnet.net] has left #fink [] 03:38:46-!- snu [n=finlay@212.159.112.151] has joined #fink 03:49:25-!- cianhughes [n=cian@cian.ws] has quit [] 04:23:28-!- shres [n=sshreyas@59.92.141.26] has joined #fink 04:27:26-!- shres is now known as shres_Zzzzz 05:08:01-!- hennker [i=flullup@dsl-213-023-255-135.arcor-ip.net] has joined #fink 05:13:52-!- shres_Zzzzz [n=sshreyas@59.92.141.26] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:16:48-!- snu [n=finlay@212.159.112.151] has left #fink [] 05:27:15-!- shres_Zzzzz [n=sshreyas@59.92.141.26] has joined #fink 05:35:54-!- vasi [n=vasi@modemcable133.147-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has left #fink ["Client exiting"] 05:47:02-!- shres_Zzzzz [n=sshreyas@59.92.141.26] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:58:37-!- Erik____ [n=Erik@d54C3A955.access.telenet.be] has quit ["leaving"] 06:27:18-!- citizen_0 [n=user@va-sterling-u1-c5c-a-146.chvlva.adelphia.net] has joined #fink 06:30:55-!- citizen_0 [n=user@va-sterling-u1-c5c-a-146.chvlva.adelphia.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:31:46-!- Erik____ [n=Erik@d54C3A955.access.telenet.be] has joined #fink 06:51:05-!- akh_ [n=akhansen@68-118-244-23.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #fink 06:51:45-!- akh_ [n=akhansen@68-118-244-23.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit [Client Quit] 06:53:59-!- Bart_ [n=hideout@p5080FA6C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #fink 06:54:16< Bart_> aight 06:54:25< Bart_> anybody knows a ssh keychain manager for os x 06:58:04< jack-> for kde 06:58:36< jack-> its called "keychain" iirc 06:58:46< jack-> short question from me: 06:58:56< jack-> trying to build cdrdao 06:59:08< jack-> failed at ld: can't locate file for: -lscg 06:59:21< jack-> what do i need? 07:01:11< jack-> i'll try --with-scglib=off 07:04:29< pogma> libscg wants to be an os independent scsi interface lib 07:04:44< pogma> but does not support OS X from the looks of things 07:04:56< jack-> i figured :) 07:05:19< jack-> i have some old cdrecord build that claims to have been linked with it 07:05:33< jack-> statically, i guess 07:05:46< pogma> wait a sec, I see a scsi-mac-iokit.c now 07:05:50< pogma> might work 07:06:10< pogma> http://www.netsw.org/system/tools/filesystem/cdrom/cdrtools-2.0/libscg/ 07:06:30< jack-> nice 07:06:44< jack-> could mean its included in "cdrtools" already 07:06:52< pogma> I'd think so 08:02:14-!- Darien [n=darien@home.darien.ca] has joined #fink 08:02:25< Darien> I installed fink, but there seems to be no default configuration 08:02:42< Darien> e.g. when I double-click on 'Computer' or 'Home', it asks me what I want to open them with 08:02:48-!- dan_t [n=daniele@h250n1fls32o985.telia.com] has joined #fink 08:02:53< Darien> no apps in the apps menu, etc. 08:02:55< Darien> is that normal? 08:03:03< dan_t> hello 08:03:15< Darien> ola 08:03:19< newmanbe> That is not automatically generated if you are talking about X11.app. 08:03:19< dan_t> i nhave a problem installing fink 0.7.2 on osX 10.3 08:03:24< newmanbe> dan_t: Hi. 08:03:27< newmanbe> /win 35 08:03:29< Darien> newmanbe: I am 08:03:30< newmanbe> Oops. 08:03:37< Darien> that's a lot of windows 08:03:41< dan_t> the installer says that my fs does not support symlinks 08:03:48< newmanbe> Darien: You have to add the applications to that menu itself. 08:03:49< newmanbe> !faq 08:03:50< Melian> well, faq is at http://www.finkproject.org/faq/ 08:04:07< newmanbe> http:/fink.sf.net/faq/ 08:04:10< Darien> that's kind of a downer 08:04:13< newmanbe> The other link wasn't working before. 08:04:23< Darien> yeah, it's not working now either 08:04:28< newmanbe> dan_t: That's a question in the FAQ. 08:04:34< newmanbe> IIRC, it's a permissions problem. 08:04:49< Darien> yah 08:04:51-!- KsiLaptop [n=Obelisk@d14-69-132-59.try.wideopenwest.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:04:55< Darien> odd message 08:05:18< dan_t> newmanbe: sorry, i'm switched from linux to mac osX only a week ago. how i can solve that? 08:05:28< Darien> dan_t: it's in the FAQ 08:08:01< dan_t> Darien: there is only one user on my system. 08:08:28< dan_t> Darien: i need to do the equivalent of sudo su root? 08:08:35< Darien> no 08:08:41< Darien> keep reading the FAQ entry 08:08:45< Darien> it suggests another possibility 08:09:06< pogma> open /Applications/Utilities/Disk Utility.app and run repair permissions 08:14:00-!- sid77 [n=sid77@host-84-222-61-163.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #fink 08:22:17-!- asari [n=asari@p2054-ipbf901marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #Fink 08:31:19-!- oudeis [n=oudeis@bzq-218-83-140.red.bezeqint.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 08:36:44-!- Fang [n=Fang@AToulon-151-1-29-238.w83-197.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #fink 08:36:48-!- Fang [n=Fang@AToulon-151-1-29-238.w83-197.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:37:40-!- Fang [n=Fang@AToulon-151-1-29-238.w83-197.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #fink 08:54:09-!- dan_t [n=daniele@h250n1fls32o985.telia.com] has left #fink ["Leaving"] 09:19:08-!- cianhughes [n=cianhugh@cian.ws] has joined #fink 09:38:46-!- sid77 is now known as sid77_ 09:39:47-!- akh_ [n=akhansen@68-118-244-23.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #fink 09:40:05< gopherd> Welcome back akh_! 09:40:22-!- akh_ is now known as akh 09:40:35< akh> Didn't even know my client was still on. 09:40:49< gopherd> I don't think it was. 09:41:06< newmanbe> Well, you might have been logged on. 09:41:10< newmanbe> But didn't join this channel. 09:41:35< akh> Nah--I just opened my laptop up and it auto-reconnected. 09:41:52< akh> I meant "I didn't know Colloquy was still running" 09:42:15< newmanbe> irssi is the truth, the way, the light! ;) 09:42:36< akh> IIRC Colloquy is irssi-based 09:42:50< newmanbe> That is irssi from the Devil. 09:43:15< newmanbe> Chapter 1 in _Beginning_Perl_ complete! 09:43:55< akh> heh 09:50:22< pogma> I hope they completed writing more than chapter 1 :) 09:51:44-!- kbroderick [n=kbroderi@rich-dsl6-236.greenmountainaccess.net] has joined #fink 09:55:07-!- drm [n=drm@ip68-108-245-119.sb.sd.cox.net] has joined #fink 09:55:43-!- newmanbe [n=newmanbe@tor/session/x-9a99fe4fa73f1d74] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 09:55:55< pogma> hi drm 09:55:57< gopherd> pogma: They have fourteen chapters. 09:56:00< gopherd> Welcome back drm! 09:56:52< pogma> gopherd: I was joking 09:57:02< gopherd> I'd imagine so. 09:57:22< drm> hi pogma 09:58:00< drm> gopherd: for a bot, you are pretty smart 09:58:06< pogma> I imagine that you'll have students again fairly soon drm? 09:58:14 * drm is on sabbatical 09:58:17< drm> :) 09:58:23< pogma> ah 09:58:46< drm> spending the fall semester at UC Santa Barbara and the spring semester at UC Berkeley 09:59:03< drm> but classes do start at Duke on Monday :) 09:59:35< pogma> your sister and nephew is somewhere near san francisco, right? 09:59:50< drm> yes, also my mom 09:59:55< pogma> cool 10:00:15< drm> pogma, i'm fighting gettext3 right now 10:00:21< pogma> so you can pop by and bug them for dinner on occasion :) 10:00:28< drm> making a new version with splitoffs the way it shouldhave been done 10:00:35< drm> (exactly!) 10:00:42-!- newmanbe [n=newmanbe@tor/session/x-c374ee38f4b5c24a] has joined #fink 10:00:50< drm> but there is a small problem 10:01:04 * pogma is afraid to ask 10:01:34 * newmanbe 'll ask for you. 10:01:39< drm> some of the libs which used to be in libgettext3-shlibs will now go into libgettextps2-shlibs 10:01:39< newmanbe> drm: What's the problem? 10:01:44< newmanbe> [evil grin] 10:02:05< drm> and i'm having trouble thinking of an upgrade strategy for this situation 10:02:24< pogma> is libgettext3-shlibs essential? 10:02:33< drm> because the whole point is, we don't want to have to build those libs (which need expat) for the libgettext3 package itself 10:02:43< drm> it is not essential yet, but it will be someday 10:03:19< drm> (normally, i would just make the new libgettext3-shlibs depend on libgettextpo2-shlibs and be done with it) 10:03:19< pogma> well, that makes a smaller headache 10:03:27< drm> true 10:04:55-!- zizban [n=zeta@24-52-0-219.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] has joined #fink 10:05:11< pogma> can you have a new package? libgettext3-better-shlibs same as surrent libgettext3-shlibs) and a libgettext3-shlibs that depends on both? 10:05:21< pogma> Hmm, sucks 10:05:24< drm> yeah 10:05:50< drm> my one hope is that almost nothing links to the stuff in libgettextpo2-shlibs 10:05:57< drm> because the library is pretty new 10:07:15-!- mcp [n=hightowe@wolk-project.de] has joined #fink 10:07:21< mcp> re 10:07:23< mcp> :) 10:07:44< pogma> well, can all this wait for the 10.4 tree? 10:08:12< mcp> anyone using windowmaker 0.92 on tiger with apple's x11? 10:08:23< drm> it will be needed for 10.3 as well, pogma 10:08:42< pogma> hmm, another "solution" shot down 10:09:06< pogma> deferred pain better than pain now, was my thought :) 10:09:12< drm> hehe 10:09:25< drm> mcp: sorry, i use fvwm2 10:10:35< pogma> drm: then I'd go for the crossing fingers solution that you mentioned. nothing links to libgettextpo2 10:10:56< zizban> I use quartz-wm 10:11:15< zizban> I used WindowMaker but the icons go under the menu bar rootless...bugs me 10:11:45< drm> pogma: yeah... i'm actually tyring to make a search to see if anything uses it, but even if i find stuff that does, i don't have a good strategy other than telling users to be sure to update "foo" (which will get a new version) 10:18:47< akh> dirty upgrade paths are a pain. 10:19:10< akh> My "fink update-all" stopped last night because of one. 10:19:24< zizban> was the kde one? 10:19:27< akh> Yup 10:19:42< akh> Silly wacko-elist package. ;-) 10:20:39< zizban> heh :) 10:21:01< gopherd> akh: Silly wacko-elitist potty mouth package. ;) 10:21:21< akh> Ah, yes, forgot 'potty-mouth' 10:24:55< newmanbe> Sigh, chapter two is taking much longer. 10:25:03-!- asari [n=asari@p2054-ipbf901marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has quit ["Quitting!"] 10:25:32< zizban> writing a book? 10:25:40< newmanbe> No, reading one. 10:25:47< newmanbe> _Beggining_Perl_ 10:25:50< zizban> ahhh 10:26:04< zizban> I read "Perl In Easy Steps" 10:26:04< newmanbe> And they want you to complete these silly exercises. 10:26:13< zizban> and it was a blast. Learned a lot 10:26:20 * pogma still has not read a zizban book 10:26:45 * zizban thinks pogma should. He needs royalty money 10:26:58< pogma> post the links quick 10:27:11< newmanbe> zizban writes books? 10:27:30< pogma> published author, he is 10:27:36< zizban> http://homepage.mac.com/zizban/ 10:27:56< drm> yoda not you are 10:28:27< pogma> slightly drunk, I am :) 10:28:44< drm> ah yes... saturday night 10:28:46< akh> That's a good way to be. 10:29:20< newmanbe> You spelt freenode wrong! 10:29:31< newmanbe> The f isn't supposed to capitalized. 10:29:55< zizban> sue me :) 10:30:12< zizban> It loks better on the page that way 10:30:28 * gopherd calls the High Court of Fink Project to order. 10:31:05< newmanbe> The people charge zizban with inproperly capitalizng the 'f' in freenode. 10:31:15< newmanbe> How does the defendent plead? 10:31:21 * pogma kicks newmanbe 10:31:27< zizban> Guilty 10:31:38< gopherd> Okay, you sentence is to package a new package. 10:31:45< gopherd> Court is ajorned. 10:32:07< zizban> oh man, that's harsh 10:32:11< pogma> sigh 10:32:28< drm> /kick 10:32:35< pogma> improperly, capitalizing, defendant 10:32:49< zizban> AngusD came on last night to officially quit fink so I can takes his Links package 10:32:54< pogma> learn to spell before pretending to be a pedant newmanbe 10:32:59< drm> i heard a great legal phrase yesterday... "felony failure to garden" 10:33:01< newmanbe> Yes, I noticed. 10:33:16< akh> zizban: sounds like a good option. 10:33:27< akh> Take something that nobody uses. 10:33:39< zizban> works for me:) 10:33:40-!- cianhughes [n=cianhugh@cian.ws] has quit [] 10:33:40< akh> Don't be an idiot and take on a popular package. 10:33:52< zizban> like gnome? 10:33:57< akh> cvs 10:34:02< drm> :) 10:34:04< akh> But,yeah, GNOME. 10:34:04< zizban> heh 10:34:06< pogma> some packages prove to be more popular than you might imagine 10:34:10< newmanbe> zizban: No, that is a good package to take. 10:34:16< newmanbe> Or packages. 10:34:26< akh> pogma: thinking of gnucash? 10:34:37< pogma> akh: yeah 10:35:06 * zizban go browse's Links .info file 10:36:26< akh> Looks pretty straightforward. 10:36:34< drm> pogma: so cirdan made a gettext-doc splitoff in the previous version... its contents are now divided in half... should i make both gettext-doc and gettext-tools-doc? or just put the gettext-tools part of the docs in the gettext-tools pkg? 10:36:44< zizban> sure does. there is a links-ssl too 10:37:02< akh> zizban: system-openssl it. 10:37:13< zizban> good idea 10:37:20< zizban> I'll do straight Links first 10:37:20< akh> half the maintenance. 10:37:35< pogma> drm: how big is it? 10:37:45< drm> pogma: background information is that we will now follow the upstream packaging advice, and compile gettext-runtime and gettext-tools as separate packages (separate builds) 10:37:57< akh> eww 10:38:09< zizban> iyuck 10:38:11< pogma> drm: Really up to you, if the doc package is small, leave it as part of the package 10:38:21< akh> It's probably the right thing to do, but, eww 10:38:26< drm> gettext-tools without it is 1.7M, gettext-tools-doc is .6M 10:38:27< pogma> drm: yeah, unfortunately necessary 10:39:17< pogma> drm: Yeah, toss a coin, nobody is going to read the docs, similarly nobody will notice that they are taking up sapce 10:39:17< drm> so its a questions of gettext-tools being 1.7M or 2.3M 10:39:25< drm> right 10:39:41< akh> That's in the noise, except for the "can I remove all of these .deb files" people. 10:40:19< drm> bad enough that there are two new pkgs libgettextpo2-shlibs and libgettextpo2-dev, without also adding gettext-tools-doc 10:40:27< akh> yup 10:40:48< zizban> and people complain about package dependecies now being weird 10:41:39< pogma> drm: can you do me a favor, while working on gettext, can you remove the "chmod 777 .libs" line form gettext's libtool (or before configure from ltmain.sh) as it is a security vulnerability (lbeit an as yet unexploited one) 10:42:01< pogma> albeit 10:44:05-!- Albie [n=ambs@bl5-163-18.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #fink 10:44:56< drm> just remove it? ok 10:46:02< zizban> for system=openssl, is the configparam --with-ssl --with-ssl-dir=%p/lib/system-openssl ? 10:46:15< akh> fink info system-openssl 10:46:31< zizban> oh sure make me turn on my Mac :) 10:46:32 * pogma wonders what drm thinks of system-openssl 10:46:35< akh> I think Ranger added more description 10:46:44< akh> oops 10:46:49< akh> system-openssl-dev 10:46:58 * drm wonders what drm thinks of system-openssl 10:47:00< zizban> ok 10:47:19< akh> How does drm feel about more binary distributable packages? 10:47:25 * zizban wonders what akh thinks of drm wondering what he thinks of syste,-openssl 10:47:38 * akh has no opinion. 10:47:47< zizban> heh 10:48:14< drm> pogma: not finding that line in the latest version 10:48:14< lisppaste> akh pasted "info" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/11175 10:48:27< pogma> one sec 10:48:41< drm> pogma: i am packaging a newer version than the one currently in fink 10:49:09-!- JesseW [n=chatzill@pdpc/supporter/student/JesseW] has joined #fink 10:49:13-!- JesseW is now known as JesseW_away 10:49:19< akh> Wow--the guy who asked about it on -core will think we did it just for him. 10:49:33-!- JesseW_away is now known as JesseW 10:49:56< drm> akh: not sure what you mean 10:50:00< zizban> thanks akh 10:50:57< akh> drm: there was a poster recently on -core who was complaining about the 0.10.40 gettext and asked that we update to "the latest possible version" 10:51:28< zizban> it's his lucky day 10:51:33< drm> akh: i understood that comment... the one i didn't understand was the "more binary distributable packages" one 10:52:29< pogma> $run chmod 777 ${xdir}$objdir 10:52:36< drm> ok 10:52:40< pogma> and $show "chmod 777 $output_objdir" 10:52:47< drm> just take these lines out? 10:53:08< akh> drm: Oh--the system-openssl-linked packages don't suffer from the OpenSSL license problem since they're linked to a version that comes with the OS. 10:53:13< pogma> remove any lines with "chmod 777" in them 10:53:15< akh> (we think) 10:53:23< drm> akh: i agree 10:53:36< drm> pogma: will do 10:53:51< drm> pogma: should this be reported upstream? 10:53:56< pogma> akh: That is correct, things linked with apple's openssl do not need restricitive licenses 10:54:02< pogma> drm: bruno knows about it 10:54:10< drm> pogma: because, until this second, i was in the happy position of packaging an unpatched gettext :/ 10:54:10< pogma> drm: he blames libtool 10:54:29< akh> drm: I guess my comment wasn't quite correct, since people are also phasing out separate -ssl and non-ssl versions. 10:54:51< pogma> drm: yeah, but with .libs being world writable, any local user could modify it during the build process 10:55:17< drm> akh: the strongest proponent of the argument that we should use our own libssl instead of relying on Apple's was Max IIRC 10:55:50< akh> Yeah, I seem to remember discussions on -devel to that effect. 10:56:11< pogma> well, he had a point, apple's libssl and its headers do not match as of the latest security update iirc 10:56:23< drm> so I leave it to him to object to the tidal wave of changes, if he chooses 10:56:58< pogma> but that should not make a major difference to building fink packages, again, if we provided binaries we wouldn't have to care 10:57:00< drm> or to pogma :) 10:58:02 * drm 's main concern is that a huge change in the fink package database makes the 10.4T -> 10.4 conversion harder 10:59:33< drm> pogma: how can this thing not have ltmain.sh? 10:59:41< drm> how do i patch it before ./configure? 10:59:54< pogma> build-aux/ltmain.sh 11:00:11< drm> build-aux... how obvious.. (NOT! :) 11:00:16< pogma> drm: patchscript 11:02:01< drm> yes yes 11:02:22< pogma> cd build-aux; perl -pi -e 's/chmod.*777.*$//g' ltmain.sh 11:02:26< pogma> or some such 11:02:59< drm> won't that leave me with dangling commands that can't be parsed? 11:03:12< zizban> mmmmm dangling commands 11:03:16< drm> the "show" and so on? 11:03:37< pogma> ooh, yes 11:04:19< drm> but maybe 's/$*chmod.*$//g' would do it 11:04:28< drm> i meant ^, not $ 11:04:50< pogma> cd build-aux; perl -pi -e 's/.*chmod.*777.*$//g' ltmain.sh 11:05:07 * drm tries that one 11:11:30-!- gopherd_ [n=irclogge@tor/session/x-ddc68040391da06a] has joined #fink 11:11:30-!- Topic for #fink: Have a question? 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Go fig. ;-) 11:20:04-!- gopherd [n=irclogge@tor/session/x-d107a1945edc692c] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:22:44-!- JesseW is now known as JesseW_away 11:23:30< zizban> heh 11:24:40 * zizban has new Links .info file finished, now testing 11:28:44-!- sid77_ is now known as sid77 11:28:50-!- shres_Zzzzz [n=sshreyas@59.92.132.92] has joined #fink 11:44:17-!- JesseW_away [n=chatzill@pdpc/supporter/student/JesseW] has quit [Connection timed out] 11:48:12-!- beniamino [n=beniamin@adsl-66-124-232-239.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 11:52:11-!- cianhughes [n=cianhugh@cian.ws] has joined #fink 11:53:12-!- zizban [n=zeta@24-52-0-219.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] has quit [""Arf" The dog said, pondering Plato"] 11:58:44-!- beniamino [n=beniamin@adsl-64-171-189-227.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #fink 11:58:50-!- Albie [n=ambs@bl5-163-18.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit ["Leaving"] 12:00:10-!- akh [n=akhansen@68-118-244-23.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit [] 12:02:49-!- autofs [n=user@dialpool-210-214-120-109.maa.sify.net] has joined #fink 12:04:31-!- autofs [n=user@dialpool-210-214-120-109.maa.sify.net] has left #fink [] 12:06:09-!- kbroderick [n=kbroderi@rich-dsl6-236.greenmountainaccess.net] has quit [] 12:18:13-!- shres_Zzzzz is now known as shres 12:28:37-!- sid77 is now known as sid77_ 12:28:59-!- cianhughes [n=cianhugh@cian.ws] has quit [] 12:35:21-!- KsiLaptop [n=Obelisk@d14-69-132-59.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #fink 12:43:46-!- gopherd [n=irclogge@tor/session/x-cfb101cf2d33ef48] has joined #fink 12:43:46-!- Topic for #fink: Have a question? Check the FAQ: http://fink.sf.net/faq || Latest Installers: 0.6.4 (10.2), 0.7.2 (10.3), 0.8.0 (10.4) || Fink 0.24.10: Cameloparadalis 12:43:46-!- Topic set by akh [] [Thu Aug 25 10:00:59 2005] 12:43:46[Users #fink] 12:43:46[ Airo ] [ cmeme ] [ gopherd_ ] [ kito ] [ mdmonk ] [ runelind] 12:43:46[ armenb ] [ Darien ] [ gzl ] [ Knghtbrd ] [ mee_bot ] [ shres ] 12:43:46[ Bart_ ] [ eno-away] [ hennker ] [ KraMer ] [ Melian ] [ sid77_ ] 12:43:46[ beniamino] [ Erik____] [ htodd ] [ KsiLaptop] [ muesli ] [ snu ] 12:43:46[ BleedAway] [ Fang ] [ jack- ] [ Ksilebo ] [ newmanbe] [ swix_ ] 12:43:46[ cirdan ] [ gecko2 ] [ JosephSpiros] [ lisppaste] [ pnorman ] [ usata ] 12:43:46[ Clef ] [ gopherd ] [ kane-xs ] [ mcp ] [ pogma ] [ zorton ] 12:43:46-!- Irssi: #fink: Total of 42 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 42 normal] 12:43:51-!- Channel #fink created Sun Aug 3 17:57:20 2003 12:44:10< Darien> now I'm getting undefined symbol errors when compiling xpdf 12:44:12-!- Irssi: Join to #fink was synced in 30 secs 12:48:14-!- gopherd_ [n=irclogge@tor/session/x-ddc68040391da06a] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:02:40-!- beniamino [n=beniamin@adsl-64-171-189-227.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 13:07:18-!- Ksilebo [n=Obelisk@d14-69-132-59.try.wideopenwest.com] has quit ["leaving"] 13:07:33-!- Ksilebo [n=Obelisk@d14-69-132-59.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #fink 13:08:31-!- Ksilebo [n=Obelisk@d14-69-132-59.try.wideopenwest.com] has quit [Client Quit] 13:14:37-!- Ksilebo [n=Obelisk@d14-69-132-59.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #fink 13:14:45-!- Ksilebo [n=Obelisk@d14-69-132-59.try.wideopenwest.com] has quit [Client Quit] 13:22:48-!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:24:39-!- Ksilebo [n=Obelisk@d14-69-132-59.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #fink 13:25:36< Darien> anyone know why I'm getting undefined symbols while compiling XPDF? 13:37:41-!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has joined #fink 13:59:21-!- JesseW [n=chatzill@pdpc/supporter/student/JesseW] has joined #fink 13:59:23-!- JesseW is now known as JesseW_away 13:59:47-!- JesseW_away is now known as JesseW 14:02:41-!- beniamino [n=beniamin@naf-37.OLAC.Berkeley.EDU] has joined #fink 14:28:25-!- beniamino [n=beniamin@naf-37.OLAC.Berkeley.EDU] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 14:34:00-!- beniamino [n=beniamin@naf-37.OLAC.Berkeley.EDU] has joined #fink 14:42:09-!- shres [n=sshreyas@59.92.132.92] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:54:06-!- drm [n=drm@kitp121.itp.ucsb.edu] has joined #fink 14:56:52-!- sid77_ [n=sid77@host-84-222-61-163.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:12:17-!- Ksilebo [n=Obelisk@d14-69-132-59.try.wideopenwest.com] has quit ["Fixing screen..."] 15:12:27-!- Ksilebo [n=Obelisk@d14-69-132-59.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #fink 15:13:35-!- sid77 [n=sid77@host-84-222-61-163.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #fink 15:17:25-!- drm [n=drm@kitp121.itp.ucsb.edu] has quit [] 15:20:26-!- zizban [n=zeta@24-52-0-219.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] has joined #fink 15:33:38-!- beniamino [n=beniamin@naf-37.OLAC.Berkeley.EDU] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 15:58:45< zizban> how does one find the md5 of a tarball? 16:02:05< newmanbe> zizban: You mean if it's not in the .info file? 16:02:16< newmanbe> If the md5 is wrong, Fink should tell you. 16:02:24< newmanbe> And it should tell you what it actually is. 16:02:33< newmanbe> Or you could use openssl md5. 16:02:37< zizban> sorry, I mean, I need to know the checksum of a tarball to put in my .info file 16:02:55< newmanbe> Then the same ways. 16:03:16< zizban> what way is that? 16:03:27< newmanbe> openssl md5 [filename] 16:03:36< zizban> d'oh! thanks :) 16:03:44< newmanbe> Or Fink should give you the md5 it gets if it does not match what it is given. 16:04:11< zizban> ok 16:12:48-!- snu [n=finlay@212.159.112.151] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:13:38< zizban> Yeah! new Links works! 16:16:49-!- akh [n=akhansen@68-118-244-23.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #fink 16:20:27< akh> mmm...6 hours of kdebase3 build 16:20:40< akh> (and still going) 16:20:51< newmanbe> But I am free from that! 16:21:34< akh> You should donate CPU cycles to the less fortunate then--help people build KDE via distcc. 16:21:54< newmanbe> Hmm, I might. 16:22:13< newmanbe> I donate to SETI@Home but boinc's been turned off for a few days. 16:22:34< newmanbe> Before the load was 5 something now it's less than 0. 16:23:19< akh> ah. 16:23:48< newmanbe> Still less than 0.4. 16:24:19 * akh could do something on my Linux box, since I really don't build much there..but my OS X build box needs every CPU cycle I can muster to get KDE built before Monday. 16:25:02< newmanbe> I'd imagine the CPU and OS have to be the same version/type? 16:25:07< akh> (though it's kind of silly--I've been using quartz-wm and a single X terminal for my X11 needs recently) 16:26:06< akh> newmanbe: I've heard tell that people have been working on ways to cross-compile OS X and do distcc on x86 boxes. 16:26:22< akh> (simultaneously) 16:26:42< akh> Fink's pretty good for that since we don't do any optimization. 16:27:13< akh> If we could get _that_ working + have buildfink smoothed out... 16:27:29< akh> A bindist every month! 16:28:40< akh> Or more updates at least. 16:33:21< zizban> yeah! 16:33:34< zizban> I thought our slow release cycle was on purpose 16:34:06< akh> I'd always figured it was because making a bindist was such a PITA for drm. 16:35:09< akh> (especially the lack of automatablility) 16:35:27< zizban> yeah 16:36:00< akh> We seem to be getting over that--so that removes a big holdup. 16:36:22< zizban> okay, new updated Links submitted to package tracker 16:37:06 * akh will evaluate it and commit it if it works. 16:37:12< zizban> ok 16:37:29< zizban> I just slightly modified AngusD's existing info file 16:37:48< akh> Right--and the port was pretty minimal anyway. 16:37:58< akh> So not too much vetting is needed. 16:37:59< zizban> yepper 16:40:19< akh> ummm....where's the .info file? 16:40:37< akh> I don't see it on the tracker item. 16:40:39< zizban> I uploaded it...I thought 16:41:13< zizban> damn forgot that checkbox 16:41:54< newmanbe> I'd rather have my computer building packages for Fink than looking for signals from aliens. 16:42:09< zizban> words of wisdom 16:42:17-!- JesseW [n=chatzill@pdpc/supporter/student/JesseW] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.68.5 [Firefox 1.0.4/20050511]"] 16:42:37< zizban> okay fixed 16:44:51< akh> got it 16:44:57< zizban> cool 16:45:14< akh> I'll do 10.4 now and 10.3 later tonight. 16:45:18< zizban> heh 16:45:46< zizban> it probably wont work on 10.3 with the system openssl stuff 16:45:54< newmanbe> How much will you pay me to start with 10.3 now? ;) 16:46:02< akh> zizban: Ah, right. 16:46:40< akh> hmmm...mirrors aren't happy 16:46:53< zizban> nope it'll barf on all except the custom on 16:47:05< akh> I meant some of the custom ones. 16:47:23< akh> Finally found one that was OK. 16:48:01< akh> Actually, there's a system-openssl-dev in 10.3, too. 16:48:26< akh> I figured RR wouldn't update KDE there otherwise. 16:49:29< akh> It's too bad I don't have a bus-powered firewire drive yet--I'm outside with my powerbook. 16:49:43< zizban> heh 16:49:52< akh> With a 10.3 drive that didn't need a power cord, I'd be golden. 16:50:02< zizban> solar power 16:50:08< zizban> okay bbl 16:50:11-!- zizban [n=zeta@24-52-0-219.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] has quit [""Arf" The dog said, pondering Plato"] 16:51:29-!- beniamino [n=beniamin@adsl-64-171-191-180.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #fink 16:58:53-!- Fang [n=Fang@AToulon-151-1-29-238.w83-197.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ["Don't forget, kids... the faster you download, the bigger your penis is."] 17:14:59-!- akh [n=akhansen@68-118-244-23.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit [] 17:24:18< Darien> anyone know why xpdf won't compile? 17:24:36< Darien> the linker keeps choking on undefined symbols 17:28:16-!- snu [n=finlay@212.159.112.151] has joined #fink 17:42:13-!- sid77 [n=sid77@host-84-222-61-163.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:49:17-!- akh [n=akhansen@68-118-244-23.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #fink 17:49:25-!- akh [n=akhansen@68-118-244-23.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has left #fink [] 18:08:55-!- sid77 [n=sid77@host-84-222-61-163.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #fink 18:09:04-!- sid77 is now known as sid77_ 18:18:48< runelind> mmmm KDE compile 18:23:38-!- snu [n=finlay@212.159.112.151] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 18:39:23-!- snu [n=finlay@212.159.112.151] has joined #fink 18:51:22-!- sid77_ [n=sid77@host-84-222-61-163.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:04:22-!- akh [n=akhansen@68-118-244-23.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #fink 19:07:10-!- akh [n=akhansen@68-118-244-23.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit [Client Quit] 19:21:44-!- hennker [i=flullup@dsl-213-023-255-135.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["leaving"] 19:33:33< beniamino> anyone know why 'package require Tk' in fink's tclsh should give a bus error? 19:50:45< newmanbe> beniamino: What do you mean? 19:50:57< newmanbe> It may be that Tk is not installed. 19:52:15< beniamino> i have one tcltk package installed 19:52:26< beniamino> is there more? 19:53:05< newmanbe> http;//fink.sf.net/pdb/ 19:53:10< newmanbe> Oops. 19:53:16< newmanbe> s/;/:/ 19:53:53< beniamino> are you saying 'yes there are more packages available in fink'? 19:55:10< beniamino> to rephrase my question: 'is it necessary to install packages other than tcltk in order to use tk?' 19:57:20< newmanbe> I am saying here might be. 19:57:25< newmanbe> I have no idea. 19:57:31< newmanbe> Sorry, can't help you much. 20:29:14-!- gopherd_ [n=irclogge@tor/session/x-d7cdb7167e01ef52] has joined #fink 20:29:14-!- Topic for #fink: Have a question? 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